Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Maajid Nawaz, Feisal Abdul Rauf – “Islam: A Religion of Violence Or Peace?”

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Maajid Nawaz, Feisal Abdul Rauf – “Islam: A Religion of Violence Or Peace?”


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ILLUMINATE OUR WORLD. >>ś THEY SHAPE, ENLIVEN, AND
ILLUMINATE OUR WORLD.
AND SOMETIMES, WORLDS BEYOND. ILLUMINATE OUR WORLD.
AND SOMETIMES, WORLDS BEYOND.
>>THEY ARE FAMOUS FOR MORE AND SOMETIMES, WORLDS BEYOND.
>>THEY ARE FAMOUS FOR MORE
THAN 15 MINUTES. >>THEY ARE FAMOUS FOR MORE
THAN 15 MINUTES.
WE KNOW THEIR NAMES AND FACES THAN 15 MINUTES.
WE KNOW THEIR NAMES AND FACES
MARVEL AT THEIR WE KNOW THEIR NAMES AND FACES
MARVEL AT THEIR
ACCOMPLISHMENTS. MARVEL AT THEIR
ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
>>ś ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
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>>WONDER WHERE THEY MIGHT BE >>ś
>>WONDER WHERE THEY MIGHT BE
>> >>WONDER WHERE THEY MIGHT BE
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>>ś AND YET, THERE IS A >>ś
>>ś AND YET, THERE IS A
DISTANCE BETWEEN US. >>ś AND YET, THERE IS A
DISTANCE BETWEEN US.
WE KNOW THEM ONLY FROM LIGHT DISTANCE BETWEEN US.
WE KNOW THEM ONLY FROM LIGHT
AND SOUND. WE KNOW THEM ONLY FROM LIGHT
AND SOUND.
AS PIXELS ON A SCREEN. AND SOUND.
AS PIXELS ON A SCREEN.
INK, ON A PRINTED PAGE. AS PIXELS ON A SCREEN.
INK, ON A PRINTED PAGE.
WAVES FROM A SPEAKER. INK, ON A PRINTED PAGE.
WAVES FROM A SPEAKER.
>>UNTIL TONIGHT. WAVES FROM A SPEAKER.
>>UNTIL TONIGHT.
AND OTHERS LIKE IT. >>UNTIL TONIGHT.
AND OTHERS LIKE IT.
TONIGHT, WE SHARE THE SAME AND OTHERS LIKE IT.
TONIGHT, WE SHARE THE SAME
ROOM WITH SOMEONE KNOWN ONLY TONIGHT, WE SHARE THE SAME
ROOM WITH SOMEONE KNOWN ONLY
FROM A DISTANCE. ROOM WITH SOMEONE KNOWN ONLY
FROM A DISTANCE.
FEEL THE HUMANITY WE HAVE IN FROM A DISTANCE.
FEEL THE HUMANITY WE HAVE IN
COMMON. FEEL THE HUMANITY WE HAVE IN
COMMON.
AND COME TO KNOW OURSELVES COMMON.
AND COME TO KNOW OURSELVES
AND OUR WORLD, EVEN MORE. AND COME TO KNOW OURSELVES
AND OUR WORLD, EVEN MORE.
AT THE RICHMOND FORUM. AND OUR WORLD, EVEN MORE.
AT THE RICHMOND FORUM.
>>ś AT THE RICHMOND FORUM.
>>ś
>>ś TONIGHT, THREE >>ś
>>ś TONIGHT, THREE
PERSPECTIVES ON THE NATURE >>ś TONIGHT, THREE
PERSPECTIVES ON THE NATURE
AND IMAGE OF THE WORLD’S PERSPECTIVES ON THE NATURE
AND IMAGE OF THE WORLD’S
SECOND LARGEST RELIGION, ONE AND IMAGE OF THE WORLD’S
SECOND LARGEST RELIGION, ONE
VOCAL CRITIC, ONE FORMER SECOND LARGEST RELIGION, ONE
VOCAL CRITIC, ONE FORMER
EXTREMIST, ONE RESPECTED VOCAL CRITIC, ONE FORMER
EXTREMIST, ONE RESPECTED
CLERIC, AND ONE RECURRING EXTREMIST, ONE RESPECTED
CLERIC, AND ONE RECURRING
QUESTION. CLERIC, AND ONE RECURRING
QUESTION.
ISLAM. QUESTION.
ISLAM.
A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE? ISLAM.
A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE?
OR PEACE? A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE?
OR PEACE?
>>WELCOME. OR PEACE?
>>WELCOME.
>> >>WELCOME.
>>
>>[APPLAUSE] >>
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>GOOD EVENING I’M JON >>[APPLAUSE]
>>GOOD EVENING I’M JON
DONVAN. >>GOOD EVENING I’M JON
DONVAN.
IT IS ONE OF THE TIME HONORED DONVAN.
IT IS ONE OF THE TIME HONORED
ROLES OF GOOD ETIQUETTE THAT IT IS ONE OF THE TIME HONORED
ROLES OF GOOD ETIQUETTE THAT
IN POLITE COMPANY YOU DO IN ROLES OF GOOD ETIQUETTE THAT
IN POLITE COMPANY YOU DO IN
THE DISCUSS POLITICS OR IN POLITE COMPANY YOU DO IN
THE DISCUSS POLITICS OR
RELIGION. THE DISCUSS POLITICS OR
RELIGION.
>>[LAUGHTER] RELIGION.
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>OBVIOUSLY WE’RE GOING TO >>[LAUGHTER]
>>OBVIOUSLY WE’RE GOING TO
BE HITTING ONE OF THOSE >>OBVIOUSLY WE’RE GOING TO
BE HITTING ONE OF THOSE
WORDS, RELIGION, TONIGHT. BE HITTING ONE OF THOSE
WORDS, RELIGION, TONIGHT.
COME TO THINK OF IT, WE MIGHT WORDS, RELIGION, TONIGHT.
COME TO THINK OF IT, WE MIGHT
GET INTO POLITICS AS WELL. COME TO THINK OF IT, WE MIGHT
GET INTO POLITICS AS WELL.
BUT IT IS THE THIRD WORD THAT GET INTO POLITICS AS WELL.
BUT IT IS THE THIRD WORD THAT
I HOPE WE ALL END UP LIVING BUT IT IS THE THIRD WORD THAT
I HOPE WE ALL END UP LIVING
UP TO HERE, POLITE, BECAUSE I HOPE WE ALL END UP LIVING
UP TO HERE, POLITE, BECAUSE
WE START OUT KNOWING THAT IT UP TO HERE, POLITE, BECAUSE
WE START OUT KNOWING THAT IT
IS A SENSITIVE THING TO BE WE START OUT KNOWING THAT IT
IS A SENSITIVE THING TO BE
EXPLORING AND ALSO WEIGHING IS A SENSITIVE THING TO BE
EXPLORING AND ALSO WEIGHING
THE PEACEFULNESS OF SOMEONE EXPLORING AND ALSO WEIGHING
THE PEACEFULNESS OF SOMEONE
ELSE’S CLOSELY-HELD RELIGIOUS THE PEACEFULNESS OF SOMEONE
ELSE’S CLOSELY-HELD RELIGIOUS
BELIEFS. ELSE’S CLOSELY-HELD RELIGIOUS
BELIEFS.
EVEN WHEN THE CHALLENGE MADE BELIEFS.
EVEN WHEN THE CHALLENGE MADE
TO THOSE CLAIMS CAN ALSO BE EVEN WHEN THE CHALLENGE MADE
TO THOSE CLAIMS CAN ALSO BE
MADE IN GOOD FAITH. TO THOSE CLAIMS CAN ALSO BE
MADE IN GOOD FAITH.
SO WE JUST WANT TO SAY AT THE MADE IN GOOD FAITH.
SO WE JUST WANT TO SAY AT THE
START OF THIS, THAT ALL FOUR SO WE JUST WANT TO SAY AT THE
START OF THIS, THAT ALL FOUR
OF US ON THIS STAGE ARE START OF THIS, THAT ALL FOUR
OF US ON THIS STAGE ARE
COMMITTED TO KEEPING THIS OF US ON THIS STAGE ARE
COMMITTED TO KEEPING THIS
CONVERSATION CIVIL AND COMMITTED TO KEEPING THIS
CONVERSATION CIVIL AND
APPROPRIATE AND FAIR MINDED CONVERSATION CIVIL AND
APPROPRIATE AND FAIR MINDED
AND POLITE. APPROPRIATE AND FAIR MINDED
AND POLITE.
BECAUSE THAT IS HOW WE HOPE AND POLITE.
BECAUSE THAT IS HOW WE HOPE
TO SHED LIGHT ON THE BECAUSE THAT IS HOW WE HOPE
TO SHED LIGHT ON THE
QUESTION. TO SHED LIGHT ON THE
QUESTION.
>>ALL THREE — QUESTION.
>>ALL THREE —
>>[APPLAUSE] >>ALL THREE —
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>ALL THREE OF OUR PANELISTS >>[APPLAUSE]
>>ALL THREE OF OUR PANELISTS
WILL TAKE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES >>ALL THREE OF OUR PANELISTS
WILL TAKE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES
EACH IN TURN TO ANSWER THE WILL TAKE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES
EACH IN TURN TO ANSWER THE
OPENING QUESTION, THE EACH IN TURN TO ANSWER THE
OPENING QUESTION, THE
QUESTION BEFORE US, WHETHER OPENING QUESTION, THE
QUESTION BEFORE US, WHETHER
ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF QUESTION BEFORE US, WHETHER
ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF
VIOLENCE OR OF PEACE. ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF
VIOLENCE OR OF PEACE.
THEY WILL GO IN TURN, AND VIOLENCE OR OF PEACE.
THEY WILL GO IN TURN, AND
THEY WILL EACH COME TO THIS THEY WILL GO IN TURN, AND
THEY WILL EACH COME TO THIS
LECTERN, ONE AT A TIME, AND THEY WILL EACH COME TO THIS
LECTERN, ONE AT A TIME, AND
WE WILL BEGIN FIRST WITH LECTERN, ONE AT A TIME, AND
WE WILL BEGIN FIRST WITH
AAYAN HIRSI ALI, BORN AND WE WILL BEGIN FIRST WITH
AAYAN HIRSI ALI, BORN AND
PHASED A MUSLIM. AAYAN HIRSI ALI, BORN AND
PHASED A MUSLIM.
AS AN ADULT SHE WALKED AWAY PHASED A MUSLIM.
AS AN ADULT SHE WALKED AWAY
FROM THAT FAITH AND ALL AS AN ADULT SHE WALKED AWAY
FROM THAT FAITH AND ALL
FAITHS, DECLARING HERSELF AN FROM THAT FAITH AND ALL
FAITHS, DECLARING HERSELF AN
ATHEIST, OFFENDED IN FAITHS, DECLARING HERSELF AN
ATHEIST, OFFENDED IN
PARTICULAR WITH THE TREATMENT ATHEIST, OFFENDED IN
PARTICULAR WITH THE TREATMENT
SHE HAS SEEN OF GIRLS AND PARTICULAR WITH THE TREATMENT
SHE HAS SEEN OF GIRLS AND
WOMEN IN SOME MUSLIM SHE HAS SEEN OF GIRLS AND
WOMEN IN SOME MUSLIM
COUNTRIES. WOMEN IN SOME MUSLIM
COUNTRIES.
SHE HAS BECOME AS OUTSPOKEN A COUNTRIES.
SHE HAS BECOME AS OUTSPOKEN A
CRITIC OF ISLAM AS THERE IS SHE HAS BECOME AS OUTSPOKEN A
CRITIC OF ISLAM AS THERE IS
ANYWHERE. CRITIC OF ISLAM AS THERE IS
ANYWHERE.
DEATH THREATS STALK HER AS A ANYWHERE.
DEATH THREATS STALK HER AS A
RESULT OF THAT. DEATH THREATS STALK HER AS A
RESULT OF THAT.
WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY NOW ON RESULT OF THAT.
WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY NOW ON
THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY NOW ON
THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS
ISLAM IS RELIGION OF VIOLENCE THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS
ISLAM IS RELIGION OF VIOLENCE
OR PEACE, LET’S HEAR HER ISLAM IS RELIGION OF VIOLENCE
OR PEACE, LET’S HEAR HER
ANSWER. OR PEACE, LET’S HEAR HER
ANSWER.
WELCOME TO THE LECTERN. ANSWER.
WELCOME TO THE LECTERN.
>>[APPLAUSE] WELCOME TO THE LECTERN.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN. >>[APPLAUSE]
>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN.
MY FATHER, THE MAN >>THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN.
MY FATHER, THE MAN
RESPONSIBLE FOR MY EDUCATION, MY FATHER, THE MAN
RESPONSIBLE FOR MY EDUCATION,
TAUGHT ME THAT ISLAM, QUIETLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MY EDUCATION,
TAUGHT ME THAT ISLAM, QUIETLY
UNDERSTOOD, IS A RELIGION OF TAUGHT ME THAT ISLAM, QUIETLY
UNDERSTOOD, IS A RELIGION OF
PHILOSOPHY OF PEACE. UNDERSTOOD, IS A RELIGION OF
PHILOSOPHY OF PEACE.
IN FACT, HE SAID THAT FOR ANY PHILOSOPHY OF PEACE.
IN FACT, HE SAID THAT FOR ANY
SOCIETY TO BE PEACEFUL AND IN FACT, HE SAID THAT FOR ANY
SOCIETY TO BE PEACEFUL AND
PROSPEROUS, IT HAD TO SOCIETY TO BE PEACEFUL AND
PROSPEROUS, IT HAD TO
INSTITUTE THE RULE OF GOD OR PROSPEROUS, IT HAD TO
INSTITUTE THE RULE OF GOD OR
SHARIA. INSTITUTE THE RULE OF GOD OR
SHARIA.
I CAME TO BE WITH MY FATHER. SHARIA.
I CAME TO BE WITH MY FATHER.
IT WAS A GRADUAL PROCESS WHEN I CAME TO BE WITH MY FATHER.
IT WAS A GRADUAL PROCESS WHEN
I ENTERED AND LIVED IN IT WAS A GRADUAL PROCESS WHEN
I ENTERED AND LIVED IN
SOCIETIES SUCH AS THE I ENTERED AND LIVED IN
SOCIETIES SUCH AS THE
NETHERLANDS AND THE UNITED SOCIETIES SUCH AS THE
NETHERLANDS AND THE UNITED
STATES THAT APPLIED MAN-MADE NETHERLANDS AND THE UNITED
STATES THAT APPLIED MAN-MADE
CONSTITUTIONS AND LAWS. STATES THAT APPLIED MAN-MADE
CONSTITUTIONS AND LAWS.
BOTH COUNTRIES ARE PEACEFUL CONSTITUTIONS AND LAWS.
BOTH COUNTRIES ARE PEACEFUL
AND PROSPEROUS. BOTH COUNTRIES ARE PEACEFUL
AND PROSPEROUS.
I NOW DISAGREED WITH MY AND PROSPEROUS.
I NOW DISAGREED WITH MY
FATHER THAT ISLAM WAS A I NOW DISAGREED WITH MY
FATHER THAT ISLAM WAS A
RELIGION OF PEACE. FATHER THAT ISLAM WAS A
RELIGION OF PEACE.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF RELIGION OF PEACE.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF
SECURITY THAT IS DEPLORED WHEN I LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF
SECURITY THAT IS DEPLORED
TONIGHT, HERE. SECURITY THAT IS DEPLORED
TONIGHT, HERE.
>>[APPLAUSE] TONIGHT, HERE.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>THE AMOUNT OF SECURITY >>[APPLAUSE]
>>THE AMOUNT OF SECURITY
THAT IS DEPLOYED FOR THE >>THE AMOUNT OF SECURITY
THAT IS DEPLOYED FOR THE
RICHMOND MARATHON. THAT IS DEPLOYED FOR THE
RICHMOND MARATHON.
SIX MONTHS AGO, THE BOSTON RICHMOND MARATHON.
SIX MONTHS AGO, THE BOSTON
MARATHON WAS BOMBED BY TWO SIX MONTHS AGO, THE BOSTON
MARATHON WAS BOMBED BY TWO
BROTHERS WHO INVOKED THE MARATHON WAS BOMBED BY TWO
BROTHERS WHO INVOKED THE
FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AND THE BROTHERS WHO INVOKED THE
FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AND THE
FOUNDING FATHER OF ISLAM. FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AND THE
FOUNDING FATHER OF ISLAM.
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER FOUNDING FATHER OF ISLAM.
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER
WHEN I LOOK AT THE WANTON I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER
WHEN I LOOK AT THE WANTON
KILLING OF THE WESTGATE MALL WHEN I LOOK AT THE WANTON
KILLING OF THE WESTGATE MALL
IN NAIROBI, FIVE SOMALI MEN, KILLING OF THE WESTGATE MALL
IN NAIROBI, FIVE SOMALI MEN,
INVOKING ALLAH AND MOHAMMED IN NAIROBI, FIVE SOMALI MEN,
INVOKING ALLAH AND MOHAMMED
TO JUSTIFY THEIR HOR ID ACT. INVOKING ALLAH AND MOHAMMED
TO JUSTIFY THEIR HOR ID ACT.
KENYA IS THE MOST HOSPITABLE TO JUSTIFY THEIR HOR ID ACT.
KENYA IS THE MOST HOSPITABLE
COUNTRY TO SOMALIS FLEEING KENYA IS THE MOST HOSPITABLE
COUNTRY TO SOMALIS FLEEING
THEIR OWN COUNTRY, SO IT COUNTRY TO SOMALIS FLEEING
THEIR OWN COUNTRY, SO IT
DISTRESSES ME EVEN MORE. THEIR OWN COUNTRY, SO IT
DISTRESSES ME EVEN MORE.
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER DISTRESSES ME EVEN MORE.
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER
WHEN I LOOK AT THE REPORT I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER
WHEN I LOOK AT THE REPORT
THIS WEEK OF 30 MEN AND WOMEN WHEN I LOOK AT THE REPORT
THIS WEEK OF 30 MEN AND WOMEN
WORSHIPING IN IRAQ WHO ARE THIS WEEK OF 30 MEN AND WOMEN
WORSHIPING IN IRAQ WHO ARE
KILLED BY A SUICIDE BOMBER, WORSHIPING IN IRAQ WHO ARE
KILLED BY A SUICIDE BOMBER,
INVOKING THE VERY SAME GOD KILLED BY A SUICIDE BOMBER,
INVOKING THE VERY SAME GOD
AND THE VERY SAME PROPHET INVOKING THE VERY SAME GOD
AND THE VERY SAME PROPHET
THAT THEY INVOKE. AND THE VERY SAME PROPHET
THAT THEY INVOKE.
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER, THAT THEY INVOKE.
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER,
WHEN HE SAYS THAT ISLAM IS A I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER,
WHEN HE SAYS THAT ISLAM IS A
RELIGION OF PEACE. WHEN HE SAYS THAT ISLAM IS A
RELIGION OF PEACE.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE 120,000 RELIGION OF PEACE.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE 120,000
DEAD IN SYRIA. WHEN I LOOK AT THE 120,000
DEAD IN SYRIA.
SYRIA IS NOW A STATE OF A DEAD IN SYRIA.
SYRIA IS NOW A STATE OF A
PROXY WAR BETWEEN ISLAM’S TWO SYRIA IS NOW A STATE OF A
PROXY WAR BETWEEN ISLAM’S TWO
MOST IMPORTANT AND MOST PROXY WAR BETWEEN ISLAM’S TWO
MOST IMPORTANT AND MOST
INFLUENTIAL NATIONS, THE MOST IMPORTANT AND MOST
INFLUENTIAL NATIONS, THE
SUNNI KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA INFLUENTIAL NATIONS, THE
SUNNI KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA
AND THE SHIITE ISLAMIC SUNNI KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA
AND THE SHIITE ISLAMIC
REPUBLIC OF IRAN. AND THE SHIITE ISLAMIC
REPUBLIC OF IRAN.
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER REPUBLIC OF IRAN.
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER
THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER
THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF
PEACE WHEN I READ ABOUT THE THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF
PEACE WHEN I READ ABOUT THE
ALMOST DAILY REPORTS OF THE PEACE WHEN I READ ABOUT THE
ALMOST DAILY REPORTS OF THE
DESTRUCTION OF CHURCHES, THE ALMOST DAILY REPORTS OF THE
DESTRUCTION OF CHURCHES, THE
PILLAGING OF CHRISTIAN DESTRUCTION OF CHURCHES, THE
PILLAGING OF CHRISTIAN
PROPERTY, THE RAPE OF PILLAGING OF CHRISTIAN
PROPERTY, THE RAPE OF
CHRISTIAN WOMEN, THE TERRIBLE PROPERTY, THE RAPE OF
CHRISTIAN WOMEN, THE TERRIBLE
EXODUS OF CHRISTIANS AND CHRISTIAN WOMEN, THE TERRIBLE
EXODUS OF CHRISTIANS AND
OTHER RELIGIOUS MINORITIES EXODUS OF CHRISTIANS AND
OTHER RELIGIOUS MINORITIES
FROM MUSLIM COUNTRIES. OTHER RELIGIOUS MINORITIES
FROM MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
ALL THIS IS DONE BY MEN WHO FROM MUSLIM COUNTRIES.
ALL THIS IS DONE BY MEN WHO
INVOKE THE FOUNDING FATHER ALL THIS IS DONE BY MEN WHO
INVOKE THE FOUNDING FATHER
AND FOUNDING DOCUMENTS OF INVOKE THE FOUNDING FATHER
AND FOUNDING DOCUMENTS OF
ISLAM. AND FOUNDING DOCUMENTS OF
ISLAM.
I DISAGREE WITH MY DEAR, ISLAM.
I DISAGREE WITH MY DEAR,
BELOVED FATHER, WHEN I READ I DISAGREE WITH MY DEAR,
BELOVED FATHER, WHEN I READ
ABOUT THE TONIGHT AGE GIRL — BELOVED FATHER, WHEN I READ
ABOUT THE TONIGHT AGE GIRL —
THE TEENAGE GIRL IN PAKISTAN ABOUT THE TONIGHT AGE GIRL —
THE TEENAGE GIRL IN PAKISTAN
WHO IS SHOT, POINT BLANK IN THE TEENAGE GIRL IN PAKISTAN
WHO IS SHOT, POINT BLANK IN
THE HEAD, BY A MAN INVOKING WHO IS SHOT, POINT BLANK IN
THE HEAD, BY A MAN INVOKING
ALLAH AND MOHAMMED BECAUSE THE HEAD, BY A MAN INVOKING
ALLAH AND MOHAMMED BECAUSE
SHE WANTED EDUCATION. ALLAH AND MOHAMMED BECAUSE
SHE WANTED EDUCATION.
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH AND SHE WANTED EDUCATION.
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH AND
MOHAMMED, WOMEN ARE FORBIDDEN IN THE NAME OF ALLAH AND
MOHAMMED, WOMEN ARE FORBIDDEN
TO DRIVE, THEY ARE FORBIDDEN MOHAMMED, WOMEN ARE FORBIDDEN
TO DRIVE, THEY ARE FORBIDDEN
TO OWN THEIR OWN REPRODUCTIVE TO DRIVE, THEY ARE FORBIDDEN
TO OWN THEIR OWN REPRODUCTIVE
RIGHTS. TO OWN THEIR OWN REPRODUCTIVE
RIGHTS.
THEY ARE FORBIDDEN TO DO RIGHTS.
THEY ARE FORBIDDEN TO DO
ANYTHING UNLESS THEY HAVE THEY ARE FORBIDDEN TO DO
ANYTHING UNLESS THEY HAVE
PERMISSION FROM A MALE ANYTHING UNLESS THEY HAVE
PERMISSION FROM A MALE
GUARDIAN. PERMISSION FROM A MALE
GUARDIAN.
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER GUARDIAN.
I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER
THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF I DISAGREE WITH MY FATHER
THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF
PEACE, WHEN I READ THESE THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF
PEACE, WHEN I READ THESE
FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AND I PEACE, WHEN I READ THESE
FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AND I
STUDY THE HISTORY AND THE FOUNDING DOCUMENTS AND I
STUDY THE HISTORY AND THE
EXAMPLE OF THE PROPHET STUDY THE HISTORY AND THE
EXAMPLE OF THE PROPHET
MOHAMMED. EXAMPLE OF THE PROPHET
MOHAMMED.
IN THERE, I FIND AN MOHAMMED.
IN THERE, I FIND AN
INSISTENCE OF WAR AND IN THERE, I FIND AN
INSISTENCE OF WAR AND
INTOLERANCE TOWARDS INSISTENCE OF WAR AND
INTOLERANCE TOWARDS
INFEDERALELS, THE HYPOCRITES, INTOLERANCE TOWARDS
INFEDERALELS, THE HYPOCRITES,
THOSE WHO ASSOCIATE GOD WITH INFEDERALELS, THE HYPOCRITES,
THOSE WHO ASSOCIATE GOD WITH
OTHERS, HOMOSEXUALS, WOMEN, THOSE WHO ASSOCIATE GOD WITH
OTHERS, HOMOSEXUALS, WOMEN,
AND SO ON. OTHERS, HOMOSEXUALS, WOMEN,
AND SO ON.
WHAT ISLAM MEANS IS NOT THE AND SO ON.
WHAT ISLAM MEANS IS NOT THE
DENIAL OF THESE OVERWHELMING WHAT ISLAM MEANS IS NOT THE
DENIAL OF THESE OVERWHELMING
AND COMPELLING FACTS. DENIAL OF THESE OVERWHELMING
AND COMPELLING FACTS.
ISLAM NEEDS A REFORMATION. AND COMPELLING FACTS.
ISLAM NEEDS A REFORMATION.
MUSLIM LEADERS WHO ARE ISLAM NEEDS A REFORMATION.
MUSLIM LEADERS WHO ARE
SERIOUS ABOUT ACHIEVING TRUE MUSLIM LEADERS WHO ARE
SERIOUS ABOUT ACHIEVING TRUE
AND ENDURING PEACE NEED TO SERIOUS ABOUT ACHIEVING TRUE
AND ENDURING PEACE NEED TO
REVISE THE CURAN AND HADITH AND ENDURING PEACE NEED TO
REVISE THE CURAN AND HADITH
SO THAT THERE IS A REVISE THE CURAN AND HADITH
SO THAT THERE IS A
CONSISTENCY BETWEEN WHAT THE SO THAT THERE IS A
CONSISTENCY BETWEEN WHAT THE
PEACE LOVING MUSLIMS WANT AND CONSISTENCY BETWEEN WHAT THE
PEACE LOVING MUSLIMS WANT AND
WHAT THEIR RELIGION SAYS. PEACE LOVING MUSLIMS WANT AND
WHAT THEIR RELIGION SAYS.
WE ARE NOW IN AMERICA. WHAT THEIR RELIGION SAYS.
WE ARE NOW IN AMERICA.
IMAM FEISAL ABDUL RAUF LIKES WE ARE NOW IN AMERICA.
IMAM FEISAL ABDUL RAUF LIKES
TO COMPARE THE CONSTITUTION IMAM FEISAL ABDUL RAUF LIKES
TO COMPARE THE CONSTITUTION
TO SHARIA LAW. TO COMPARE THE CONSTITUTION
TO SHARIA LAW.
THE CONSTITUTION IS ONLY 225 TO SHARIA LAW.
THE CONSTITUTION IS ONLY 225
YEARS OLD, AND IT HAD BEEN THE CONSTITUTION IS ONLY 225
YEARS OLD, AND IT HAD BEEN
AMENDED 27 TIMES. YEARS OLD, AND IT HAD BEEN
AMENDED 27 TIMES.
THE CURAN IS AT LEAST 1200 AMENDED 27 TIMES.
THE CURAN IS AT LEAST 1200
YEARS OLD. THE CURAN IS AT LEAST 1200
YEARS OLD.
IT HAS NOT BEEN AMENDED ONCE. YEARS OLD.
IT HAS NOT BEEN AMENDED ONCE.
WHAT A SHAME. IT HAS NOT BEEN AMENDED ONCE.
WHAT A SHAME.
IT IS URGENT AND IMPERATIVE WHAT A SHAME.
IT IS URGENT AND IMPERATIVE
TO STOP THESE AMENDMENTS — IT IS URGENT AND IMPERATIVE
TO STOP THESE AMENDMENTS —
TO START THESE AMENDMENTS. TO STOP THESE AMENDMENTS —
TO START THESE AMENDMENTS.
IT’S TIME TO INNOVATE, TO START THESE AMENDMENTS.
IT’S TIME TO INNOVATE,
INNOVATE, INNOVATE, AND I IT’S TIME TO INNOVATE,
INNOVATE, INNOVATE, AND I
WILL DO, LADIES AND INNOVATE, INNOVATE, AND I
WILL DO, LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, WHAT I CAN DO TO WILL DO, LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, WHAT I CAN DO TO
HELP. GENTLEMEN, WHAT I CAN DO TO
HELP.
THANK YOU. HELP.
THANK YOU.
>>[APPLAUSE] THANK YOU.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>> >>[APPLAUSE]
>>
>>MAAJID NAWAZ, A MUSLIM, A >>
>>MAAJID NAWAZ, A MUSLIM, A
BRITISH SUBJECT, HE EMBRACED >>MAAJID NAWAZ, A MUSLIM, A
BRITISH SUBJECT, HE EMBRACED
A RADICAL ISLAM AS TEENAGER BRITISH SUBJECT, HE EMBRACED
A RADICAL ISLAM AS TEENAGER
AND SIGNED UP FOR THE JAHAD, A RADICAL ISLAM AS TEENAGER
AND SIGNED UP FOR THE JAHAD,
JOINING A RADICAL MOVEMENT AND SIGNED UP FOR THE JAHAD,
JOINING A RADICAL MOVEMENT
WHICH LED TO HIS ARREST AND JOINING A RADICAL MOVEMENT
WHICH LED TO HIS ARREST AND
IMPRISONMENT IN EGYPT AND IT WHICH LED TO HIS ARREST AND
IMPRISONMENT IN EGYPT AND IT
WAS WHILE HE WAS THERE BEHIND IMPRISONMENT IN EGYPT AND IT
WAS WHILE HE WAS THERE BEHIND
BARS THAT HE UNDERWENT A WAS WHILE HE WAS THERE BEHIND
BARS THAT HE UNDERWENT A
CONVERSION. BARS THAT HE UNDERWENT A
CONVERSION.
HE CAME OUT OF PRISON, CONVERSION.
HE CAME OUT OF PRISON,
COMMITTED TO PEACE, BUT HE HE CAME OUT OF PRISON,
COMMITTED TO PEACE, BUT HE
CAME OUT OF PRISON, STILL A COMMITTED TO PEACE, BUT HE
CAME OUT OF PRISON, STILL A
PRACTICING, BELIEVING, CAME OUT OF PRISON, STILL A
PRACTICING, BELIEVING,
MUSLIM. PRACTICING, BELIEVING,
MUSLIM.
HIS JOURNEY COVERS THE FULL MUSLIM.
HIS JOURNEY COVERS THE FULL
RANGE OF THE QUESTION BEFORE HIS JOURNEY COVERS THE FULL
RANGE OF THE QUESTION BEFORE
US THIS EVENING, IS ISLAM A RANGE OF THE QUESTION BEFORE
US THIS EVENING, IS ISLAM A
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE OR US THIS EVENING, IS ISLAM A
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE OR
PEACE. RELIGION OF VIOLENCE OR
PEACE.
THE ANSWER AS PROVIDED TO US PEACE.
THE ANSWER AS PROVIDED TO US
BY MAAJID NAWAZ. THE ANSWER AS PROVIDED TO US
BY MAAJID NAWAZ.
>>[APPLAUSE] BY MAAJID NAWAZ.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>THANK YOU. >>[APPLAUSE]
>>THANK YOU.
I SPEAK TO YOU TODAY HERE AS >>THANK YOU.
I SPEAK TO YOU TODAY HERE AS
SOMEBODY WHO’S COME FROM THE I SPEAK TO YOU TODAY HERE AS
SOMEBODY WHO’S COME FROM THE
TRENCHES. SOMEBODY WHO’S COME FROM THE
TRENCHES.
AS SOMEBODY FROM THE AGE OF TRENCHES.
AS SOMEBODY FROM THE AGE OF
16 YEARS OLD, ONWARDS, WAS AS SOMEBODY FROM THE AGE OF
16 YEARS OLD, ONWARDS, WAS
DEDICATED TO A VISION THAT 16 YEARS OLD, ONWARDS, WAS
DEDICATED TO A VISION THAT
ISLAM WAS, INDEED, A RELIGION DEDICATED TO A VISION THAT
ISLAM WAS, INDEED, A RELIGION
OF WAR AND VIOLENCE. ISLAM WAS, INDEED, A RELIGION
OF WAR AND VIOLENCE.
AS SOMEBODY WHO TOOK THAT OF WAR AND VIOLENCE.
AS SOMEBODY WHO TOOK THAT
MESSAGE AND SPREAD IT TO AS SOMEBODY WHO TOOK THAT
MESSAGE AND SPREAD IT TO
OTHER COUNTRIES, FOR THE MESSAGE AND SPREAD IT TO
OTHER COUNTRIES, FOR THE
PURPOSE OF CREATING OTHER COUNTRIES, FOR THE
PURPOSE OF CREATING
REVOLUTION, FOR WHAT I NOW PURPOSE OF CREATING
REVOLUTION, FOR WHAT I NOW
REFER TO AS MY ISLAMIST REVOLUTION, FOR WHAT I NOW
REFER TO AS MY ISLAMIST
IDEOLOGY, TO BRING IT TO REFER TO AS MY ISLAMIST
IDEOLOGY, TO BRING IT TO
POWER, TO CONQUER THE REST OF IDEOLOGY, TO BRING IT TO
POWER, TO CONQUER THE REST OF
THE WORLD. POWER, TO CONQUER THE REST OF
THE WORLD.
FROM THOSE TRENCHES, I THE WORLD.
FROM THOSE TRENCHES, I
WITNESSED TORTURE IN THE FROM THOSE TRENCHES, I
WITNESSED TORTURE IN THE
PRISONS OF EGYPT. WITNESSED TORTURE IN THE
PRISONS OF EGYPT.
THERE FOR FOUR YEARS, I PRISONS OF EGYPT.
THERE FOR FOUR YEARS, I
DEDICATED MYSELF TO STUDYING THERE FOR FOUR YEARS, I
DEDICATED MYSELF TO STUDYING
FURTHER THIS IDEOLOGY WITH DEDICATED MYSELF TO STUDYING
FURTHER THIS IDEOLOGY WITH
THE INITIAL INTENTION THAT I FURTHER THIS IDEOLOGY WITH
THE INITIAL INTENTION THAT I
COULD BECOME AN EVEN MORE THE INITIAL INTENTION THAT I
COULD BECOME AN EVEN MORE
POTENT RECRUITER FOR THAT COULD BECOME AN EVEN MORE
POTENT RECRUITER FOR THAT
CAUSE. POTENT RECRUITER FOR THAT
CAUSE.
I BECAME FLUENT IN THE ARABIC CAUSE.
I BECAME FLUENT IN THE ARABIC
LANGUAGE AND BEGAN STUDYING I BECAME FLUENT IN THE ARABIC
LANGUAGE AND BEGAN STUDYING
FROM THE ORIGINAL SOURCES OF LANGUAGE AND BEGAN STUDYING
FROM THE ORIGINAL SOURCES OF
ISLAM. FROM THE ORIGINAL SOURCES OF
ISLAM.
AND THE ONE THING THAT STRUCK ISLAM.
AND THE ONE THING THAT STRUCK
ME, THAT FORCED ME TO AND THE ONE THING THAT STRUCK
ME, THAT FORCED ME TO
RECONSIDER MY POSITION, TO ME, THAT FORCED ME TO
RECONSIDER MY POSITION, TO
CHANGE MY MIND FOR A CAUSE I RECONSIDER MY POSITION, TO
CHANGE MY MIND FOR A CAUSE I
WAS PREPARED TO DIE FOR, WAS CHANGE MY MIND FOR A CAUSE I
WAS PREPARED TO DIE FOR, WAS
I LEARNED FROM STUDYING THE WAS PREPARED TO DIE FOR, WAS
I LEARNED FROM STUDYING THE
ORIGINAL SOURCES OF ISLAM I LEARNED FROM STUDYING THE
ORIGINAL SOURCES OF ISLAM
THAT IDEAS AND DISPUTE THAT ORIGINAL SOURCES OF ISLAM
THAT IDEAS AND DISPUTE THAT
IS WE WERE PREPARED TO THAT IDEAS AND DISPUTE THAT
IS WE WERE PREPARED TO
OVERTHROW GOVERNMENTS FOR HAD IS WE WERE PREPARED TO
OVERTHROW GOVERNMENTS FOR HAD
TRADITIONALLY BEEN DEBATED OVERTHROW GOVERNMENTS FOR HAD
TRADITIONALLY BEEN DEBATED
THROUGH THE PAGES OF BOOKS, TRADITIONALLY BEEN DEBATED
THROUGH THE PAGES OF BOOKS,
BETWEEN THE THEOLOGIANS THROUGH THE PAGES OF BOOKS,
BETWEEN THE THEOLOGIANS
THEMSELVES, OVER CUPS OF TEA. BETWEEN THE THEOLOGIANS
THEMSELVES, OVER CUPS OF TEA.
UPON MY RELEASE FROM PRISON, THEMSELVES, OVER CUPS OF TEA.
UPON MY RELEASE FROM PRISON,
IT BECAME IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME UPON MY RELEASE FROM PRISON,
IT BECAME IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME
TO SUSTAIN MY POSITION WITHIN IT BECAME IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME
TO SUSTAIN MY POSITION WITHIN
THE LEADERSHIP OF THE ISLAM TO SUSTAIN MY POSITION WITHIN
THE LEADERSHIP OF THE ISLAM
ORGANIZATION THAT I JOINED. THE LEADERSHIP OF THE ISLAM
ORGANIZATION THAT I JOINED.
I WANT TO CORRECT MY ORGANIZATION THAT I JOINED.
I WANT TO CORRECT MY
INTRODUCTION BY SAYING ONE I WANT TO CORRECT MY
INTRODUCTION BY SAYING ONE
THING. INTRODUCTION BY SAYING ONE
THING.
I AM NOT A DEVOUT MUSLIM. THING.
I AM NOT A DEVOUT MUSLIM.
I MAKE NO PRETENSE TO BE A I AM NOT A DEVOUT MUSLIM.
I MAKE NO PRETENSE TO BE A
RELIGIOUS LEADER. I MAKE NO PRETENSE TO BE A
RELIGIOUS LEADER.
IN FACT I NEVER WAS. RELIGIOUS LEADER.
IN FACT I NEVER WAS.
MY CONVERSION TO ISLAMISM WAS IN FACT I NEVER WAS.
MY CONVERSION TO ISLAMISM WAS
A POLITICAL REVOLUTION WITH MY CONVERSION TO ISLAMISM WAS
A POLITICAL REVOLUTION WITH
RELIGIOUS CONNOTATIONS, IT A POLITICAL REVOLUTION WITH
RELIGIOUS CONNOTATIONS, IT
WAS NOT A RELIGIOUS RELIGIOUS CONNOTATIONS, IT
WAS NOT A RELIGIOUS
REVOLUTION WITH POLITICAL WAS NOT A RELIGIOUS
REVOLUTION WITH POLITICAL
CONNOTATIONS. REVOLUTION WITH POLITICAL
CONNOTATIONS.
I DON’T HOLD MYSELF OUT TO BE CONNOTATIONS.
I DON’T HOLD MYSELF OUT TO BE
DEVOUT, BUT I DO MAINTAIN I DON’T HOLD MYSELF OUT TO BE
DEVOUT, BUT I DO MAINTAIN
THAT I REMAIN A MUSLIM AND DEVOUT, BUT I DO MAINTAIN
THAT I REMAIN A MUSLIM AND
WHEN I SPEAK AND WHEN I THAT I REMAIN A MUSLIM AND
WHEN I SPEAK AND WHEN I
DISCUSS, I SPEAK POLITICALLY, WHEN I SPEAK AND WHEN I
DISCUSS, I SPEAK POLITICALLY,
IDEOLOGICALLY, AND I’M STILL DISCUSS, I SPEAK POLITICALLY,
IDEOLOGICALLY, AND I’M STILL
IN THE TRENCHES. IDEOLOGICALLY, AND I’M STILL
IN THE TRENCHES.
I FREQUENT PAKISTAN. IN THE TRENCHES.
I FREQUENT PAKISTAN.
IN FACT, AAYAN MENTIONED I FREQUENT PAKISTAN.
IN FACT, AAYAN MENTIONED
MALALA, THE YOUNG GIRL SHOT IN FACT, AAYAN MENTIONED
MALALA, THE YOUNG GIRL SHOT
IN THE HEAD BY THE TALIBAN. MALALA, THE YOUNG GIRL SHOT
IN THE HEAD BY THE TALIBAN.
WITHIN THAT VERY MONTH I WAS IN THE HEAD BY THE TALIBAN.
WITHIN THAT VERY MONTH I WAS
THERE IN HER CITY IN MING WITHIN THAT VERY MONTH I WAS
THERE IN HER CITY IN MING
ORA, ORGANIZING A PUBLIC THERE IN HER CITY IN MING
ORA, ORGANIZING A PUBLIC
DEBATE TO DISCUSS THE ROOT ORA, ORGANIZING A PUBLIC
DEBATE TO DISCUSS THE ROOT
CAUSES OF EXTREMISM. DEBATE TO DISCUSS THE ROOT
CAUSES OF EXTREMISM.
IN DEFIANCE OF THE TALIBAN, CAUSES OF EXTREMISM.
IN DEFIANCE OF THE TALIBAN,
BECAUSE THE CONCLUSION I CAME IN DEFIANCE OF THE TALIBAN,
BECAUSE THE CONCLUSION I CAME
TO THROUGH MY STUDIES IN BECAUSE THE CONCLUSION I CAME
TO THROUGH MY STUDIES IN
PRISON WAS ONE CONCLUSION, TO THROUGH MY STUDIES IN
PRISON WAS ONE CONCLUSION,
AND THAT IS ISLAM IS NOT A PRISON WAS ONE CONCLUSION,
AND THAT IS ISLAM IS NOT A
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE, BUT IT AND THAT IS ISLAM IS NOT A
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE, BUT IT
IS ALSO NOT A RELIGION OF RELIGION OF VIOLENCE, BUT IT
IS ALSO NOT A RELIGION OF
PEACE, AND IN SAYING THIS, I IS ALSO NOT A RELIGION OF
PEACE, AND IN SAYING THIS, I
SIT BETWEEN MY TWO PEACE, AND IN SAYING THIS, I
SIT BETWEEN MY TWO
COPANELISTS HERE. SIT BETWEEN MY TWO
COPANELISTS HERE.
IN FACT, LADIES AND COPANELISTS HERE.
IN FACT, LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, ISLAM IS A IN FACT, LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, ISLAM IS A
RELIGION. GENTLEMEN, ISLAM IS A
RELIGION.
LIKE ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ON RELIGION.
LIKE ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ON
THIS PLANET, FROM TIME LIKE ALL OTHER RELIGIONS ON
THIS PLANET, FROM TIME
IMMEMORIAL, IT’S BEEN THIS PLANET, FROM TIME
IMMEMORIAL, IT’S BEEN
INTERPRETED, LIKE IMMEMORIAL, IT’S BEEN
INTERPRETED, LIKE
CHRISTIANITY HAS IN THE PAST, INTERPRETED, LIKE
CHRISTIANITY HAS IN THE PAST,
TO CAUSE MUCH DEVASTATION ON CHRISTIANITY HAS IN THE PAST,
TO CAUSE MUCH DEVASTATION ON
THIS EARTH AND IT’S ALSO BEEN TO CAUSE MUCH DEVASTATION ON
THIS EARTH AND IT’S ALSO BEEN
INTERPRETED TOWARDS PEACEFUL THIS EARTH AND IT’S ALSO BEEN
INTERPRETED TOWARDS PEACEFUL
ENDS. INTERPRETED TOWARDS PEACEFUL
ENDS.
ISLAM IS A RELIGION. ENDS.
ISLAM IS A RELIGION.
SO THE QUESTION IS NEXT HOW ISLAM IS A RELIGION.
SO THE QUESTION IS NEXT HOW
DO WE DEFINE THIS RELIGION IF SO THE QUESTION IS NEXT HOW
DO WE DEFINE THIS RELIGION IF
ESSENTIALLY IT’S NOT ONE OF DO WE DEFINE THIS RELIGION IF
ESSENTIALLY IT’S NOT ONE OF
PEACE OR VIOLENCE? ESSENTIALLY IT’S NOT ONE OF
PEACE OR VIOLENCE?
IT’S BY THE MAJORITY OF PEACE OR VIOLENCE?
IT’S BY THE MAJORITY OF
MUSLIMS WHO INTERPRET IT IT’S BY THE MAJORITY OF
MUSLIMS WHO INTERPRET IT
TODAY. MUSLIMS WHO INTERPRET IT
TODAY.
THIS POSES TWO PARTICULARLY TODAY.
THIS POSES TWO PARTICULARLY
ACUTE CHALLENGES: ONE, IS, THIS POSES TWO PARTICULARLY
ACUTE CHALLENGES: ONE, IS,
YES, THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS ACUTE CHALLENGES: ONE, IS,
YES, THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS
TODAY ARE NOT TERRORISTS. YES, THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS
TODAY ARE NOT TERRORISTS.
THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS TODAY TODAY ARE NOT TERRORISTS.
THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS TODAY
ARE NOT TERRORISTS. THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS TODAY
ARE NOT TERRORISTS.
SO ONE CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY ARE NOT TERRORISTS.
SO ONE CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY
THAT ISLAM IS NOT A LIG OFF SO ONE CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY
THAT ISLAM IS NOT A LIG OFF
OF TERRORISM IF WE’RE THAT ISLAM IS NOT A LIG OFF
OF TERRORISM IF WE’RE
DEFINING RELIGION BY ITS OF TERRORISM IF WE’RE
DEFINING RELIGION BY ITS
FOLLOWERS. DEFINING RELIGION BY ITS
FOLLOWERS.
HOWEVER, THAT DOESN’T GET US FOLLOWERS.
HOWEVER, THAT DOESN’T GET US
OFF SCOTT FREE AS MUSLIMS, HOWEVER, THAT DOESN’T GET US
OFF SCOTT FREE AS MUSLIMS,
OTHERWISE I WOULDN’T BE DOING OFF SCOTT FREE AS MUSLIMS,
OTHERWISE I WOULDN’T BE DOING
WHAT I WOULD BE DOING TO OTHERWISE I WOULDN’T BE DOING
WHAT I WOULD BE DOING TO
CHALLENGE EXTREMISM AROUND WHAT I WOULD BE DOING TO
CHALLENGE EXTREMISM AROUND
THE WORLD, BECAUSE THE CHALLENGE EXTREMISM AROUND
THE WORLD, BECAUSE THE
MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS TODAY ARE THE WORLD, BECAUSE THE
MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS TODAY ARE
YET TO ARRIVE IN ANY FORM OF MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS TODAY ARE
YET TO ARRIVE IN ANY FORM OF
TANGIBLE, CONCRETE WAY TO YET TO ARRIVE IN ANY FORM OF
TANGIBLE, CONCRETE WAY TO
WHAT WE WOULD UNDERSTAND AS TANGIBLE, CONCRETE WAY TO
WHAT WE WOULD UNDERSTAND AS
LIBERAL, DEMOCRATIC SYSTEMS WHAT WE WOULD UNDERSTAND AS
LIBERAL, DEMOCRATIC SYSTEMS
OF GOVERNANCE. LIBERAL, DEMOCRATIC SYSTEMS
OF GOVERNANCE.
AND SO THOUGH ISLAM TODAY OF GOVERNANCE.
AND SO THOUGH ISLAM TODAY
CANNOT BE CLASSIFIED AS A AND SO THOUGH ISLAM TODAY
CANNOT BE CLASSIFIED AS A
RELIGION OF TERRORISM IT ALSO CANNOT BE CLASSIFIED AS A
RELIGION OF TERRORISM IT ALSO
DOESN’T MAKE SENSE TO RELIGION OF TERRORISM IT ALSO
DOESN’T MAKE SENSE TO
CLASSIFY ISLAM TODAY AS A DOESN’T MAKE SENSE TO
CLASSIFY ISLAM TODAY AS A
RELIGION OF HARMONY, OF CLASSIFY ISLAM TODAY AS A
RELIGION OF HARMONY, OF
TOLERANCE, BECAUSE OF COURSE RELIGION OF HARMONY, OF
TOLERANCE, BECAUSE OF COURSE
WE SEE AROUND THE WORLD THERE TOLERANCE, BECAUSE OF COURSE
WE SEE AROUND THE WORLD THERE
IS MUCH MAYHEM. WE SEE AROUND THE WORLD THERE
IS MUCH MAYHEM.
MORE MUSLIMS ARE KILLING EACH IS MUCH MAYHEM.
MORE MUSLIMS ARE KILLING EACH
OTHER TODAY THAN ANY ONE ELSE MORE MUSLIMS ARE KILLING EACH
OTHER TODAY THAN ANY ONE ELSE
IS KILLING THEM. OTHER TODAY THAN ANY ONE ELSE
IS KILLING THEM.
MUSLIMS ARE THROWN INTO DEEP IS KILLING THEM.
MUSLIMS ARE THROWN INTO DEEP
CONFUSION. MUSLIMS ARE THROWN INTO DEEP
CONFUSION.
BUT IT DOESN’T HELP IN THIS CONFUSION.
BUT IT DOESN’T HELP IN THIS
CAUSE, THIS THIS STRUGGLE, BUT IT DOESN’T HELP IN THIS
CAUSE, THIS THIS STRUGGLE,
WHICH IS ALL OF OUR STRUGGLE, CAUSE, THIS THIS STRUGGLE,
WHICH IS ALL OF OUR STRUGGLE,
TO ESSENTIALIZE ISLAM TO SAY WHICH IS ALL OF OUR STRUGGLE,
TO ESSENTIALIZE ISLAM TO SAY
IT’S A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE, TO ESSENTIALIZE ISLAM TO SAY
IT’S A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE,
TO GO TO MUSLIMS IN PAKISTAN IT’S A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE,
TO GO TO MUSLIMS IN PAKISTAN
AND SAY YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES, TO GO TO MUSLIMS IN PAKISTAN
AND SAY YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES,
EITHER SUBSCRIBE TO THE AND SAY YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES,
EITHER SUBSCRIBE TO THE
INTERPRETATION OF YOUR EITHER SUBSCRIBE TO THE
INTERPRETATION OF YOUR
RELIGION THAT BIN LADEN HAD, INTERPRETATION OF YOUR
RELIGION THAT BIN LADEN HAD,
WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A WAR OF RELIGION THAT BIN LADEN HAD,
WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A WAR OF
RELIGION AND TERRORISM, OR WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A WAR OF
RELIGION AND TERRORISM, OR
YOU LEAVE ISLAM BECAUSE THE RELIGION AND TERRORISM, OR
YOU LEAVE ISLAM BECAUSE THE
ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS AN EXOOS YOU LEAVE ISLAM BECAUSE THE
ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS AN EXOOS
FILM — EX-MUSLIM. ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS AN EXOOS
FILM — EX-MUSLIM.
EVEN MALALA DOES NOT MAKE FILM — EX-MUSLIM.
EVEN MALALA DOES NOT MAKE
THIS ARGUMENT, THE GIRL WHO EVEN MALALA DOES NOT MAKE
THIS ARGUMENT, THE GIRL WHO
WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD BY THE THIS ARGUMENT, THE GIRL WHO
WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD BY THE
TALIBAN. WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD BY THE
TALIBAN.
IF YOU TRY TO MAKE THIS TALIBAN.
IF YOU TRY TO MAKE THIS
ARGUMENT, I WILL ASSURE YOU IF YOU TRY TO MAKE THIS
ARGUMENT, I WILL ASSURE YOU
YOU WILL LOSE THE DEBATE. ARGUMENT, I WILL ASSURE YOU
YOU WILL LOSE THE DEBATE.
NO ONE WANTS TO BE TOLD THE YOU WILL LOSE THE DEBATE.
NO ONE WANTS TO BE TOLD THE
ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS AN NO ONE WANTS TO BE TOLD THE
ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS AN
APOSTATE. ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS AN
APOSTATE.
THE ONLY WAY FORWARD IS TO APOSTATE.
THE ONLY WAY FORWARD IS TO
SAY THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION THE ONLY WAY FORWARD IS TO
SAY THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION
THAT CAN BE INTERPRETED. SAY THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION
THAT CAN BE INTERPRETED.
THAT’S FOR US TO PROMOTE THE THAT CAN BE INTERPRETED.
THAT’S FOR US TO PROMOTE THE
FACT THAT THERE ARE MUSLIMS THAT’S FOR US TO PROMOTE THE
FACT THAT THERE ARE MUSLIMS
RISKING THEIR VERY LIVES TO FACT THAT THERE ARE MUSLIMS
RISKING THEIR VERY LIVES TO
REINTERPRET THIS STATE AND RISKING THEIR VERY LIVES TO
REINTERPRET THIS STATE AND
DEMONSTRATE AND PROMOTE AND REINTERPRET THIS STATE AND
DEMONSTRATE AND PROMOTE AND
TO ENCOURAGE THOSE DEMONSTRATE AND PROMOTE AND
TO ENCOURAGE THOSE
INTERPRETATIONS THAT DO TAKE TO ENCOURAGE THOSE
INTERPRETATIONS THAT DO TAKE
A GENUINE LOOK AT SCRIPTURE INTERPRETATIONS THAT DO TAKE
A GENUINE LOOK AT SCRIPTURE
AND DO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE TWO A GENUINE LOOK AT SCRIPTURE
AND DO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE TWO
TWIN CHALLENGES THAT ARE AND DO RECOGNIZE WE HAVE TWO
TWIN CHALLENGES THAT ARE
DOMINATING MUSLIM MAJORITY TWIN CHALLENGES THAT ARE
DOMINATING MUSLIM MAJORITY
COUNTRIES TODAY. DOMINATING MUSLIM MAJORITY
COUNTRIES TODAY.
THE FIRST, THE IDEOLOGY OF COUNTRIES TODAY.
THE FIRST, THE IDEOLOGY OF
ISLAMISM, WHICH OVERLY THE FIRST, THE IDEOLOGY OF
ISLAMISM, WHICH OVERLY
POLITICIZES THE FAITH. ISLAMISM, WHICH OVERLY
POLITICIZES THE FAITH.
ISLAMISM IS BRIEFLY DEFINED POLITICIZES THE FAITH.
ISLAMISM IS BRIEFLY DEFINED
AS THE DESIRE TO IMPOSE ANY ISLAMISM IS BRIEFLY DEFINED
AS THE DESIRE TO IMPOSE ANY
INTERPRETATION OF THE FAITH AS THE DESIRE TO IMPOSE ANY
INTERPRETATION OF THE FAITH
OVER SOCIETY. INTERPRETATION OF THE FAITH
OVER SOCIETY.
THERE’S THAT ONE CHALLENGE OVER SOCIETY.
THERE’S THAT ONE CHALLENGE
THERE. THERE’S THAT ONE CHALLENGE
THERE.
THE OTHER CHALLENGE, THERE.
THE OTHER CHALLENGE,
MANIFESTS ITSELF ON A SOCIAL THE OTHER CHALLENGE,
MANIFESTS ITSELF ON A SOCIAL
LEVEL AND THAT’S THE MANIFESTS ITSELF ON A SOCIAL
LEVEL AND THAT’S THE
CHALLENGE OF FUNDAMENTALISM. LEVEL AND THAT’S THE
CHALLENGE OF FUNDAMENTALISM.
NOT EVERY FUNDAMENTALIST CHALLENGE OF FUNDAMENTALISM.
NOT EVERY FUNDAMENTALIST
WANTS TO IMPOSE AND TAKE OVER NOT EVERY FUNDAMENTALIST
WANTS TO IMPOSE AND TAKE OVER
GOVERNMENTS, BUT THEY HAVE WANTS TO IMPOSE AND TAKE OVER
GOVERNMENTS, BUT THEY HAVE
VERY ULTRA CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENTS, BUT THEY HAVE
VERY ULTRA CONSERVATIVE
SOCIAL MORES, MANIFEST VERY ULTRA CONSERVATIVE
SOCIAL MORES, MANIFEST
INDICATIONS SUCH AS FORCED SOCIAL MORES, MANIFEST
INDICATIONS SUCH AS FORCED
MARRIAGE, FEMALE GENITAL INDICATIONS SUCH AS FORCED
MARRIAGE, FEMALE GENITAL
MUTILATION, HONOR KILLINGS. MARRIAGE, FEMALE GENITAL
MUTILATION, HONOR KILLINGS.
THEY DON’T COME FROM THE MUTILATION, HONOR KILLINGS.
THEY DON’T COME FROM THE
ORGANIZED GROUPS BUT FROM THEY DON’T COME FROM THE
ORGANIZED GROUPS BUT FROM
FUNDAMENTALISTS AND THE TWO ORGANIZED GROUPS BUT FROM
FUNDAMENTALISTS AND THE TWO
CHALLENGES ARE SUFFOCATING FUNDAMENTALISTS AND THE TWO
CHALLENGES ARE SUFFOCATING
POLIT KALG AND SOCIAL DEBATE CHALLENGES ARE SUFFOCATING
POLIT KALG AND SOCIAL DEBATE
AND DISCOURSE WITHIN MUSLIM POLIT KALG AND SOCIAL DEBATE
AND DISCOURSE WITHIN MUSLIM
MAJORITY COUNTRIES. AND DISCOURSE WITHIN MUSLIM
MAJORITY COUNTRIES.
THERE IS NO LARGER CHALLENGE MAJORITY COUNTRIES.
THERE IS NO LARGER CHALLENGE
THAN TO CONFRONT THESE TWO. THERE IS NO LARGER CHALLENGE
THAN TO CONFRONT THESE TWO.
SO I ASK YOU, LADIES AND THAN TO CONFRONT THESE TWO.
SO I ASK YOU, LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, TO CONSIDER THIS SO I ASK YOU, LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, TO CONSIDER THIS
QUESTION, IN SUPPORTING GENTLEMEN, TO CONSIDER THIS
QUESTION, IN SUPPORTING
PEOPLE WHO ARE GENUINELY QUESTION, IN SUPPORTING
PEOPLE WHO ARE GENUINELY
ATTEMPTING TO REFORM THIS PEOPLE WHO ARE GENUINELY
ATTEMPTING TO REFORM THIS
DISCOURSE FROM WITHIN, ATTEMPTING TO REFORM THIS
DISCOURSE FROM WITHIN,
BECAUSE THAT’S THE ONLY WAY DISCOURSE FROM WITHIN,
BECAUSE THAT’S THE ONLY WAY
FORWARD, AND I’LL TELL THANK BECAUSE THAT’S THE ONLY WAY
FORWARD, AND I’LL TELL THANK
YOU NOW. FORWARD, AND I’LL TELL THANK
YOU NOW.
WE MENTIONED THE REFORMATION. YOU NOW.
WE MENTIONED THE REFORMATION.
MARTIN LUTHER. WE MENTIONED THE REFORMATION.
MARTIN LUTHER.
BY TODAY’S STANDARDS, WAS A MARTIN LUTHER.
BY TODAY’S STANDARDS, WAS A
CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST. BY TODAY’S STANDARDS, WAS A
CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST.
MARTIN LUTHER, THE MAN WHO CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST.
MARTIN LUTHER, THE MAN WHO
BROKE CHRISTIANITY AWAY FROM MARTIN LUTHER, THE MAN WHO
BROKE CHRISTIANITY AWAY FROM
THE CHURCH, WAS A DEEPLY, BROKE CHRISTIANITY AWAY FROM
THE CHURCH, WAS A DEEPLY,
DEEPLY ULTRA CONSERVATIVE, THE CHURCH, WAS A DEEPLY,
DEEPLY ULTRA CONSERVATIVE,
SOME WOULD SAY DEVOUT,O DEEPLY ULTRA CONSERVATIVE,
SOME WOULD SAY DEVOUT,O
DEVOUT, MAN, BUT IF IT WASN’T SOME WOULD SAY DEVOUT,O
DEVOUT, MAN, BUT IF IT WASN’T
FROM THAT DISCOURSE WITHIN DEVOUT, MAN, BUT IF IT WASN’T
FROM THAT DISCOURSE WITHIN
CHRISTIANITY WE WOULD NOT FROM THAT DISCOURSE WITHIN
CHRISTIANITY WE WOULD NOT
HAVE HAD THE REFORMATION AND CHRISTIANITY WE WOULD NOT
HAVE HAD THE REFORMATION AND
NOT BE ENJOYING THE HAVE HAD THE REFORMATION AND
NOT BE ENJOYING THE
SECULARISM THAT ALL OF US NOT BE ENJOYING THE
SECULARISM THAT ALL OF US
FIGHT TO PROTECT TODAY. SECULARISM THAT ALL OF US
FIGHT TO PROTECT TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FIGHT TO PROTECT TODAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[APPLAUSE] THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[APPLAUSE]
>>FEISAL ABDUL RAUF, [APPLAUSE]
>>FEISAL ABDUL RAUF,
AMERICAN. >>FEISAL ABDUL RAUF,
AMERICAN.
FEISAL ABDUL RAUF, MUSLIM. AMERICAN.
FEISAL ABDUL RAUF, MUSLIM.
HAVING BOTH OF THESE FEISAL ABDUL RAUF, MUSLIM.
HAVING BOTH OF THESE
IDENTITIES AND PUTTING THEM HAVING BOTH OF THESE
IDENTITIES AND PUTTING THEM
TOGETHER AND THEN REACHING IDENTITIES AND PUTTING THEM
TOGETHER AND THEN REACHING
OUT TO AMERICANS OF OTHER TOGETHER AND THEN REACHING
OUT TO AMERICANS OF OTHER
IDENTITIES HAS BEEN PART OF OUT TO AMERICANS OF OTHER
IDENTITIES HAS BEEN PART OF
THE LIFE’S WORK OF THE IMAM IDENTITIES HAS BEEN PART OF
THE LIFE’S WORK OF THE IMAM
FROM NEW YORK CITY WHO HAS SO THE LIFE’S WORK OF THE IMAM
FROM NEW YORK CITY WHO HAS SO
OFTEN FOUND HIMSELF AS A MAN FROM NEW YORK CITY WHO HAS SO
OFTEN FOUND HIMSELF AS A MAN
CALLED UPON TO EXPLAIN ISLAM OFTEN FOUND HIMSELF AS A MAN
CALLED UPON TO EXPLAIN ISLAM
TO AMERICANS WHO ARE CURIOUS CALLED UPON TO EXPLAIN ISLAM
TO AMERICANS WHO ARE CURIOUS
ENOUGH TO ASK, TO KNOW MORE, TO AMERICANS WHO ARE CURIOUS
ENOUGH TO ASK, TO KNOW MORE,
AS WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. ENOUGH TO ASK, TO KNOW MORE,
AS WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.
IMAM FEISAL AND HIS ANSWER TO AS WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.
IMAM FEISAL AND HIS ANSWER TO
WHETHER ISLAM IS A RELIGION IMAM FEISAL AND HIS ANSWER TO
WHETHER ISLAM IS A RELIGION
OF VIOLENCE OR PEACE. WHETHER ISLAM IS A RELIGION
OF VIOLENCE OR PEACE.
>>[APPLAUSE] OF VIOLENCE OR PEACE.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND >>[APPLAUSE]
>>GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN. >>GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN.
IT’S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE IN GENTLEMEN.
IT’S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE IN
THIS SPACE KNOWN AS A MOSQUE. IT’S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE IN
THIS SPACE KNOWN AS A MOSQUE.
ONCE KNOWN AS THE MOSQUE, THIS SPACE KNOWN AS A MOSQUE.
ONCE KNOWN AS THE MOSQUE,
AND, THEREFORE, IT IS ONCE KNOWN AS THE MOSQUE,
AND, THEREFORE, IT IS
PLEASING TO ME THAT ISLAM HAS AND, THEREFORE, IT IS
PLEASING TO ME THAT ISLAM HAS
SHAPED THIS SPACE, AT LEAST PLEASING TO ME THAT ISLAM HAS
SHAPED THIS SPACE, AT LEAST
IN THE ARCHITECTURAL SPENCE. SHAPED THIS SPACE, AT LEAST
IN THE ARCHITECTURAL SPENCE.
— SENSE. IN THE ARCHITECTURAL SPENCE.
— SENSE.
>>[APPLAUSE] — SENSE.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>THANK YOU. >>[APPLAUSE]
>>THANK YOU.
>>THE DISCOURSE THAT WE JUST >>THANK YOU.
>>THE DISCOURSE THAT WE JUST
HEARD UNDERLINES WHY IT IS >>THE DISCOURSE THAT WE JUST
HEARD UNDERLINES WHY IT IS
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HEARD UNDERLINES WHY IT IS
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US TO
HAVE A VERY CLEAR EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US TO
HAVE A VERY CLEAR
UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT WE HAVE A VERY CLEAR
UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT WE
MEAN BY THE TERMS WE USE. UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT WE
MEAN BY THE TERMS WE USE.
I THINK IT IS VERY DANGEROUS MEAN BY THE TERMS WE USE.
I THINK IT IS VERY DANGEROUS
IN AN INCREASINGLY I THINK IT IS VERY DANGEROUS
IN AN INCREASINGLY
MULTICULTURAL AND INTERNET IN AN INCREASINGLY
MULTICULTURAL AND INTERNET
WORLD TO CLAIM THAT ANY MULTICULTURAL AND INTERNET
WORLD TO CLAIM THAT ANY
RELIGION BE IT ISLAM, WORLD TO CLAIM THAT ANY
RELIGION BE IT ISLAM,
CHRISTIANITY, TALIBAN RELIGION BE IT ISLAM,
CHRISTIANITY, TALIBAN
JUDAISM, BE IT HINDUISM OR CHRISTIANITY, TALIBAN
JUDAISM, BE IT HINDUISM OR
BUDDHISM, AS A RELIGION OF JUDAISM, BE IT HINDUISM OR
BUDDHISM, AS A RELIGION OF
WAR OR OF VIOLENCE. BUDDHISM, AS A RELIGION OF
WAR OR OF VIOLENCE.
>>I BELIEVE THAT EVERY WAR OR OF VIOLENCE.
>>I BELIEVE THAT EVERY
RELIGION, EVERY AUTHENTIC >>I BELIEVE THAT EVERY
RELIGION, EVERY AUTHENTIC
REVELATION FROM THE CREATOR RELIGION, EVERY AUTHENTIC
REVELATION FROM THE CREATOR
TO HUMANITY WAS ABOUT PEACE REVELATION FROM THE CREATOR
TO HUMANITY WAS ABOUT PEACE
AND ABOUT THE TWO FUNDAMENTAL TO HUMANITY WAS ABOUT PEACE
AND ABOUT THE TWO FUNDAMENTAL
COMMANDMENTS THAT ARE COMMON AND ABOUT THE TWO FUNDAMENTAL
COMMANDMENTS THAT ARE COMMON
TO ALL OF OUR FAITH COMMANDMENTS THAT ARE COMMON
TO ALL OF OUR FAITH
TRADITIONS: TO LOVE THE TO ALL OF OUR FAITH
TRADITIONS: TO LOVE THE
LORD, OUR GOD, OUR CREATOR, TRADITIONS: TO LOVE THE
LORD, OUR GOD, OUR CREATOR,
WITH ALL OF OUR HEART, OUR LORD, OUR GOD, OUR CREATOR,
WITH ALL OF OUR HEART, OUR
MINDS, OUR SOULS, AND OUR WITH ALL OF OUR HEART, OUR
MINDS, OUR SOULS, AND OUR
STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE OUR MINDS, OUR SOULS, AND OUR
STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE OUR
FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS AS WE STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE OUR
FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS AS WE
LOVE OURSELVES. FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS AS WE
LOVE OURSELVES.
>>[APPLAUSE] LOVE OURSELVES.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>IN A FAMOUS TRAD, WE >>[APPLAUSE]
>>IN A FAMOUS TRAD, WE
BELIEVE THAT THE ARCH ANGEL >>IN A FAMOUS TRAD, WE
BELIEVE THAT THE ARCH ANGEL
GABRIELLE CAME AND VISITED BELIEVE THAT THE ARCH ANGEL
GABRIELLE CAME AND VISITED
THE PROPHET WITH HIS GABRIELLE CAME AND VISITED
THE PROPHET WITH HIS
COMPANIONS, AND HE ASKED THE THE PROPHET WITH HIS
COMPANIONS, AND HE ASKED THE
PROPHET, WHAT IS ISLAM. COMPANIONS, AND HE ASKED THE
PROPHET, WHAT IS ISLAM.
THE PROPHET ANSWERED, ISLAM PROPHET, WHAT IS ISLAM.
THE PROPHET ANSWERED, ISLAM
IS TO BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE THE PROPHET ANSWERED, ISLAM
IS TO BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE
IS NO GOD BUT GOD. IS TO BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE
IS NO GOD BUT GOD.
AND IS THAT MOHAMMED IS HIS IS NO GOD BUT GOD.
AND IS THAT MOHAMMED IS HIS
PROPHET. AND IS THAT MOHAMMED IS HIS
PROPHET.
WE BELIEVE THAT ALL THE PROPHET.
WE BELIEVE THAT ALL THE
PROPHETS WERE SENT BY GOD. WE BELIEVE THAT ALL THE
PROPHETS WERE SENT BY GOD.
TO PERFORM THE DAILY PRAYER, PROPHETS WERE SENT BY GOD.
TO PERFORM THE DAILY PRAYER,
TO GIVE CHARITY. TO PERFORM THE DAILY PRAYER,
TO GIVE CHARITY.
TO FAST. TO GIVE CHARITY.
TO FAST.
IN OUR CASE, TO FAST THE TO FAST.
IN OUR CASE, TO FAST THE
MONTH OF RAMADAN. IN OUR CASE, TO FAST THE
MONTH OF RAMADAN.
AND TO PILGRIM TO MECCA, MONTH OF RAMADAN.
AND TO PILGRIM TO MECCA,
WHOEVER CAN AFFORD IT AND TO PILGRIM TO MECCA,
WHOEVER CAN AFFORD IT
PHYSICALLY AND FINANCIALLY. WHOEVER CAN AFFORD IT
PHYSICALLY AND FINANCIALLY.
THAT IS THE CLASSICAL PHYSICALLY AND FINANCIALLY.
THAT IS THE CLASSICAL
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ISLAM THAT IS THE CLASSICAL
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ISLAM
IS. UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ISLAM
IS.
MUSLIMS ARE A DIFFERENT STORY IS.
MUSLIMS ARE A DIFFERENT STORY
CHRISTIANS ARE A DIFFERENT MUSLIMS ARE A DIFFERENT STORY
CHRISTIANS ARE A DIFFERENT
STORY. CHRISTIANS ARE A DIFFERENT
STORY.
BUDDHISTS ARE A DIFFERENT STORY.
BUDDHISTS ARE A DIFFERENT
STORY. BUDDHISTS ARE A DIFFERENT
STORY.
WE ARE INSPIRED BY THAT. STORY.
WE ARE INSPIRED BY THAT.
AND I AM CONVINCED THAT THE WE ARE INSPIRED BY THAT.
AND I AM CONVINCED THAT THE
PURPOSE OF ALL RELIGIONS IS AND I AM CONVINCED THAT THE
PURPOSE OF ALL RELIGIONS IS
TO BRING HUMAN BEINGS TO THE PURPOSE OF ALL RELIGIONS IS
TO BRING HUMAN BEINGS TO THE
VISION OF GOD. TO BRING HUMAN BEINGS TO THE
VISION OF GOD.
TO ENABLE US TO SEE GOD. VISION OF GOD.
TO ENABLE US TO SEE GOD.
IN FACT, THE VERY FUNDAMENTAL TO ENABLE US TO SEE GOD.
IN FACT, THE VERY FUNDAMENTAL
TESTIMONY OF ISLAM IS TO IN FACT, THE VERY FUNDAMENTAL
TESTIMONY OF ISLAM IS TO
WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD TESTIMONY OF ISLAM IS TO
WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD
BUT THE ONE GOD. WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD
BUT THE ONE GOD.
AND FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE, BUT THE ONE GOD.
AND FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE,
AND EXPERIENCE OF THOSE WHO I AND FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE,
AND EXPERIENCE OF THOSE WHO I
KNOW WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH AND EXPERIENCE OF THOSE WHO I
KNOW WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH
THIS EXPERIENCE, WHEN A HUMAN KNOW WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH
THIS EXPERIENCE, WHEN A HUMAN
BEING IS TOUCHED BY THE THIS EXPERIENCE, WHEN A HUMAN
BEING IS TOUCHED BY THE
VISION OF GOD, HE OR SHE BEING IS TOUCHED BY THE
VISION OF GOD, HE OR SHE
BECOMES TOTALLY TRANSFORMED. VISION OF GOD, HE OR SHE
BECOMES TOTALLY TRANSFORMED.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN BECOMES TOTALLY TRANSFORMED.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN
THROUGHOUT HISTORY, IN THE BUT THERE HAVE BEEN
THROUGHOUT HISTORY, IN THE
LAST 30 YEARS, ESPECIALLY, 40 THROUGHOUT HISTORY, IN THE
LAST 30 YEARS, ESPECIALLY, 40
YEARS, OF OUR COMMON HISTORY, LAST 30 YEARS, ESPECIALLY, 40
YEARS, OF OUR COMMON HISTORY,
WE HAVE SEEN IN THE CASE OF YEARS, OF OUR COMMON HISTORY,
WE HAVE SEEN IN THE CASE OF
MUSLIMS A GREAT DEAL OF WE HAVE SEEN IN THE CASE OF
MUSLIMS A GREAT DEAL OF
VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY MUSLIMS A GREAT DEAL OF
VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY
MUSLIMS, BOTH AGAINST VIOLENCE COMMITTED BY
MUSLIMS, BOTH AGAINST
NONMUSLIMS AND AGAINST THEIR MUSLIMS, BOTH AGAINST
NONMUSLIMS AND AGAINST THEIR
OWN SELVES. NONMUSLIMS AND AGAINST THEIR
OWN SELVES.
THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL OWN SELVES.
THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL
TRAGEDY THAT EXISTS IN THE THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL
TRAGEDY THAT EXISTS IN THE
MUSLIM WORLD TODAY. TRAGEDY THAT EXISTS IN THE
MUSLIM WORLD TODAY.
BUT I THINK IT IS FALSE, I MUSLIM WORLD TODAY.
BUT I THINK IT IS FALSE, I
FEEL IT IS — I’M CONVINCED BUT I THINK IT IS FALSE, I
FEEL IT IS — I’M CONVINCED
IT IS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF FEEL IT IS — I’M CONVINCED
IT IS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF
EVEN THE CONCEPTS OF WHAT IT IS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF
EVEN THE CONCEPTS OF WHAT
RELIGION IS ABOUT, THAT WE EVEN THE CONCEPTS OF WHAT
RELIGION IS ABOUT, THAT WE
CALL ANY RELIGION VIOLENT. RELIGION IS ABOUT, THAT WE
CALL ANY RELIGION VIOLENT.
WE CANNOT AFFORD THAT. CALL ANY RELIGION VIOLENT.
WE CANNOT AFFORD THAT.
AND WE HAVE TO REFRAME THE WE CANNOT AFFORD THAT.
AND WE HAVE TO REFRAME THE
DISCOURSE. AND WE HAVE TO REFRAME THE
DISCOURSE.
I JUST READ A BOOK WHICH I DISCOURSE.
I JUST READ A BOOK WHICH I
THINKEN MANY OF YOU WOULD I JUST READ A BOOK WHICH I
THINKEN MANY OF YOU WOULD
FIND INTERESTING, THINKEN MANY OF YOU WOULD
FIND INTERESTING,
CALLED-POSITIVE DEVIANCE”, IN FIND INTERESTING,
CALLED-POSITIVE DEVIANCE”, IN
WHICH THIS GROUP OF SCHOLARS CALLED-POSITIVE DEVIANCE”, IN
WHICH THIS GROUP OF SCHOLARS
IDENTIFIED PEOPLE WHO WHICH THIS GROUP OF SCHOLARS
IDENTIFIED PEOPLE WHO
DEVIATED FROM THE NORM AND IDENTIFIED PEOPLE WHO
DEVIATED FROM THE NORM AND
HOW TO SHIFT THE NORM, AND DEVIATED FROM THE NORM AND
HOW TO SHIFT THE NORM, AND
ONE OF THE KEY LESSONS WAS HOW TO SHIFT THE NORM, AND
ONE OF THE KEY LESSONS WAS
YOU HAVE TO SHIFT THE FRAME ONE OF THE KEY LESSONS WAS
YOU HAVE TO SHIFT THE FRAME
OF THE DISCOURSE. YOU HAVE TO SHIFT THE FRAME
OF THE DISCOURSE.
THE DISCOURSE IS NOT ISLAM OF THE DISCOURSE.
THE DISCOURSE IS NOT ISLAM
VERSUS THE WEST, OR MUSLIMS THE DISCOURSE IS NOT ISLAM
VERSUS THE WEST, OR MUSLIMS
VERSUS CHRISTIANS, OR MUSLIMS VERSUS THE WEST, OR MUSLIMS
VERSUS CHRISTIANS, OR MUSLIMS
VERSUS HINDUS. VERSUS CHRISTIANS, OR MUSLIMS
VERSUS HINDUS.
IF WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THIS VERSUS HINDUS.
IF WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THIS
PROBLEM, WE MUST SHIFT THE IF WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THIS
PROBLEM, WE MUST SHIFT THE
DISCOURSE, WITH EXTREMISTS OF PROBLEM, WE MUST SHIFT THE
DISCOURSE, WITH EXTREMISTS OF
ALL FAITHS AND TRADITIONS AND DISCOURSE, WITH EXTREMISTS OF
ALL FAITHS AND TRADITIONS AND
MODERATES OF ALL FAITH ALL FAITHS AND TRADITIONS AND
MODERATES OF ALL FAITH
TRADITIONS. MODERATES OF ALL FAITH
TRADITIONS.
FOR I AND MANY OF MY FELLOW TRADITIONS.
FOR I AND MANY OF MY FELLOW
FAITH TRADITIONALISTS FROM FOR I AND MANY OF MY FELLOW
FAITH TRADITIONALISTS FROM
VARIOUS TRADITIONS HAVE FELT FAITH TRADITIONALISTS FROM
VARIOUS TRADITIONS HAVE FELT
CLOSER — I FEEL CLOSER TO VARIOUS TRADITIONS HAVE FELT
CLOSER — I FEEL CLOSER TO
MANY JEWISH FRIENDS, CLOSER — I FEEL CLOSER TO
MANY JEWISH FRIENDS,
CHRISTIAN FRIENDS, ATHEIST MANY JEWISH FRIENDS,
CHRISTIAN FRIENDS, ATHEIST
FRIENDS, BUDDHIST FRIENDS, CHRISTIAN FRIENDS, ATHEIST
FRIENDS, BUDDHIST FRIENDS,
THAN I AM TO MANY OF MY FRIENDS, BUDDHIST FRIENDS,
THAN I AM TO MANY OF MY
FELLOW MUSLIMS WHOSE ATTITUDE THAN I AM TO MANY OF MY
FELLOW MUSLIMS WHOSE ATTITUDE
AND WORLD VIEW IS FELLOW MUSLIMS WHOSE ATTITUDE
AND WORLD VIEW IS
FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS WITH MY AND WORLD VIEW IS
FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS WITH MY
OWN. FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS WITH MY
OWN.
AND SO DO MY FELLOW JEWISH OWN.
AND SO DO MY FELLOW JEWISH
FRIENDS AND FELLOW CHRISTIAN AND SO DO MY FELLOW JEWISH
FRIENDS AND FELLOW CHRISTIAN
FRIENDS, FEEL THAT ABOUT FRIENDS AND FELLOW CHRISTIAN
FRIENDS, FEEL THAT ABOUT
THEIR OWN RELATIONSHIPS WITH FRIENDS, FEEL THAT ABOUT
THEIR OWN RELATIONSHIPS WITH
PEOPLE WITHIN THEIR FAITH THEIR OWN RELATIONSHIPS WITH
PEOPLE WITHIN THEIR FAITH
COMMUNITIES. PEOPLE WITHIN THEIR FAITH
COMMUNITIES.
THE VIOLENCE IN MYANMAR COMMUNITIES.
THE VIOLENCE IN MYANMAR
AGAINST MUSLIMS TODAY IS NOT THE VIOLENCE IN MYANMAR
AGAINST MUSLIMS TODAY IS NOT
AT ALL, AND I CANNOT ACCEPT AGAINST MUSLIMS TODAY IS NOT
AT ALL, AND I CANNOT ACCEPT
IT AS BEING THE TEACHINGS OF AT ALL, AND I CANNOT ACCEPT
IT AS BEING THE TEACHINGS OF
THE BUDDHA. IT AS BEING THE TEACHINGS OF
THE BUDDHA.
I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT WHAT THE BUDDHA.
I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT WHAT
CHRISTIANS DID DURING THE I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT WHAT
CHRISTIANS DID DURING THE
INQUISITION OR IN MANY OTHER CHRISTIANS DID DURING THE
INQUISITION OR IN MANY OTHER
COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THIS OWN INQUISITION OR IN MANY OTHER
COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THIS OWN
COUNTRY, THIS COUNTRY, THE COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THIS OWN
COUNTRY, THIS COUNTRY, THE
UNITED STATES, EXPRESSED THE COUNTRY, THIS COUNTRY, THE
UNITED STATES, EXPRESSED THE
VALUES OF THE PRINCE OF UNITED STATES, EXPRESSED THE
VALUES OF THE PRINCE OF
PEACE, JESUS CHRIST. VALUES OF THE PRINCE OF
PEACE, JESUS CHRIST.
AND, THEREFORE, WE TODAY HAVE PEACE, JESUS CHRIST.
AND, THEREFORE, WE TODAY HAVE
TO REFRAME THE DISCOURSE, AND, THEREFORE, WE TODAY HAVE
TO REFRAME THE DISCOURSE,
BECAUSE MY REFRAMING THE TO REFRAME THE DISCOURSE,
BECAUSE MY REFRAMING THE
DISCOURSE, WE CAN GAIN BECAUSE MY REFRAMING THE
DISCOURSE, WE CAN GAIN
TRACTION. DISCOURSE, WE CAN GAIN
TRACTION.
NOW, I LEAVE YOU WITH ONE TRACTION.
NOW, I LEAVE YOU WITH ONE
ANALOGY. NOW, I LEAVE YOU WITH ONE
ANALOGY.
WE HAVE HAD A GOVERNMENT ANALOGY.
WE HAVE HAD A GOVERNMENT
SHUTDOWN IN THE UNITED STATES WE HAVE HAD A GOVERNMENT
SHUTDOWN IN THE UNITED STATES
RECENTLY. SHUTDOWN IN THE UNITED STATES
RECENTLY.
YOU CAN INSIST THE DISCOURSE RECENTLY.
YOU CAN INSIST THE DISCOURSE
IS BETWEEN THE REPUBLICANS YOU CAN INSIST THE DISCOURSE
IS BETWEEN THE REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS. IS BETWEEN THE REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS.
BUT WE KNOW FROM THE WAY OUR AND DEMOCRATS.
BUT WE KNOW FROM THE WAY OUR
GOVERNMENT WORKS THAT THE BUT WE KNOW FROM THE WAY OUR
GOVERNMENT WORKS THAT THE
MODERATES ON BOTH SIDES WHO GOVERNMENT WORKS THAT THE
MODERATES ON BOTH SIDES WHO
MAKE GOVERNMENT WORK. MODERATES ON BOTH SIDES WHO
MAKE GOVERNMENT WORK.
WE’VE HAD A SITUATION — MAKE GOVERNMENT WORK.
WE’VE HAD A SITUATION —
>>[APPLAUSE] WE’VE HAD A SITUATION —
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>– IN OUR COUNTRY WHERE >>[APPLAUSE]
>>– IN OUR COUNTRY WHERE
OUT OF A GROUP OF 500 MEMBERS >>– IN OUR COUNTRY WHERE
OUT OF A GROUP OF 500 MEMBERS
OF CONGRESS IN THIS HOUSE AND OUT OF A GROUP OF 500 MEMBERS
OF CONGRESS IN THIS HOUSE AND
SENATE, 50, YOU MIGHT CALL OF CONGRESS IN THIS HOUSE AND
SENATE, 50, YOU MIGHT CALL
THEM EXTREMIST REPUBLICANS, SENATE, 50, YOU MIGHT CALL
THEM EXTREMIST REPUBLICANS,
WERE ABLE TO SHUT THIS THEM EXTREMIST REPUBLICANS,
WERE ABLE TO SHUT THIS
GOVERNMENT DOWN. WERE ABLE TO SHUT THIS
GOVERNMENT DOWN.
IF WE INSIST THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN.
IF WE INSIST THAT THE
DISCOURSE MUST BE ONE BETWEEN IF WE INSIST THAT THE
DISCOURSE MUST BE ONE BETWEEN
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, DISCOURSE MUST BE ONE BETWEEN
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS,
IT’S GOING TO BE HARD TO REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS,
IT’S GOING TO BE HARD TO
SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. IT’S GOING TO BE HARD TO
SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
BUT IF WE CAN REFRAME THE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
BUT IF WE CAN REFRAME THE
DISCOURSE BETWEEN MODERATES BUT IF WE CAN REFRAME THE
DISCOURSE BETWEEN MODERATES
ON BOTH SIDES, AGAINST THE DISCOURSE BETWEEN MODERATES
ON BOTH SIDES, AGAINST THE
EXTREMISTS ON BOTH SIDES, ON BOTH SIDES, AGAINST THE
EXTREMISTS ON BOTH SIDES,
THEN WE HAVE HOPE OF EXTREMISTS ON BOTH SIDES,
THEN WE HAVE HOPE OF
GENERATING THE MIDDLE. THEN WE HAVE HOPE OF
GENERATING THE MIDDLE.
BECAUSE IT’S ALWAYS THE GENERATING THE MIDDLE.
BECAUSE IT’S ALWAYS THE
MIDDLE THAT GOVERNS. BECAUSE IT’S ALWAYS THE
MIDDLE THAT GOVERNS.
IT’S ALWAYS THE MIDDLE THAT MIDDLE THAT GOVERNS.
IT’S ALWAYS THE MIDDLE THAT
RULES. IT’S ALWAYS THE MIDDLE THAT
RULES.
AND IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY RULES.
AND IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
HAD SUCH DIFFICULTY THAT 50 AND IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
HAD SUCH DIFFICULTY THAT 50
EXTREMISTS COULD ELIMINATE HAD SUCH DIFFICULTY THAT 50
EXTREMISTS COULD ELIMINATE
THE MODERATES, PEOPLE LIKE EXTREMISTS COULD ELIMINATE
THE MODERATES, PEOPLE LIKE
RICHARD LUGAR AND MANY OF THE MODERATES, PEOPLE LIKE
RICHARD LUGAR AND MANY OF
THOSE WHOM MANY OF YOU KNOW RICHARD LUGAR AND MANY OF
THOSE WHOM MANY OF YOU KNOW
WHO ARE WERE — WHO ARE THOSE WHOM MANY OF YOU KNOW
WHO ARE WERE — WHO ARE
REGARDED AS MODERATES OF THE WHO ARE WERE — WHO ARE
REGARDED AS MODERATES OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY, HOW MUCH REGARDED AS MODERATES OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY, HOW MUCH
MORE DIFFICULT IT MUST BE REPUBLICAN PARTY, HOW MUCH
MORE DIFFICULT IT MUST BE
WITH A WORLDWIDE POPULATION MORE DIFFICULT IT MUST BE
WITH A WORLDWIDE POPULATION
OF 1.5 BILLION, THE BATTLE WITH A WORLDWIDE POPULATION
OF 1.5 BILLION, THE BATTLE
AGAINST THE EXTREMISTS WITHIN OF 1.5 BILLION, THE BATTLE
AGAINST THE EXTREMISTS WITHIN
OUR FAITH TRADITION IS AN AGAINST THE EXTREMISTS WITHIN
OUR FAITH TRADITION IS AN
IMPORTANT ONE, ONE THAT HAS OUR FAITH TRADITION IS AN
IMPORTANT ONE, ONE THAT HAS
TO BE DONE NOT ONLY BY IMPORTANT ONE, ONE THAT HAS
TO BE DONE NOT ONLY BY
MUSLIMS ALONE, MUSLIMS ON TO BE DONE NOT ONLY BY
MUSLIMS ALONE, MUSLIMS ON
CERTAIN FRONTS, BUT MUSLIMS MUSLIMS ALONE, MUSLIMS ON
CERTAIN FRONTS, BUT MUSLIMS
AND PEOPLE OF OTHER CERTAIN FRONTS, BUT MUSLIMS
AND PEOPLE OF OTHER
TRADITIONS ON COMMON FRONTS. AND PEOPLE OF OTHER
TRADITIONS ON COMMON FRONTS.
THERE’S MUCH MORE THAT I CAN TRADITIONS ON COMMON FRONTS.
THERE’S MUCH MORE THAT I CAN
SAY BUT I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS THERE’S MUCH MORE THAT I CAN
SAY BUT I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS
OPEN REMARK, AND THAT IS WHY SAY BUT I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS
OPEN REMARK, AND THAT IS WHY
WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THE OPEN REMARK, AND THAT IS WHY
WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THE
IMPORTANCE OF A GLOBAL WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THE
IMPORTANCE OF A GLOBAL
COALITION OF MODERATES TO IMPORTANCE OF A GLOBAL
COALITION OF MODERATES TO
COMBAT THE EXTREMISTS ON ALL COALITION OF MODERATES TO
COMBAT THE EXTREMISTS ON ALL
OUR SIDES, TO IDENTIFY THE COMBAT THE EXTREMISTS ON ALL
OUR SIDES, TO IDENTIFY THE
ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT, OUR SIDES, TO IDENTIFY THE
ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT,
WHICH ARE POLITICAL, AND TO ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT,
WHICH ARE POLITICAL, AND TO
FIND A WAY TO ADDRESS THEM WHICH ARE POLITICAL, AND TO
FIND A WAY TO ADDRESS THEM
FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR FIND A WAY TO ADDRESS THEM
FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR
CHILDREN AND OUR FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR
CHILDREN AND OUR
GRANDCHILDREN AND PEACE ON CHILDREN AND OUR
GRANDCHILDREN AND PEACE ON
THIS WORLD THAT WE LOVE. GRANDCHILDREN AND PEACE ON
THIS WORLD THAT WE LOVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND MAY THIS WORLD THAT WE LOVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND MAY
GOD BLESS YOU ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND MAY
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
>>[APPLAUSE] GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>AND I JUST WANT TO INVITE >>[APPLAUSE]
>>AND I JUST WANT TO INVITE
ONE MORE ROUND OF APPLAUSE >>AND I JUST WANT TO INVITE
ONE MORE ROUND OF APPLAUSE
FOR ALL THREE OF THE ONE MORE ROUND OF APPLAUSE
FOR ALL THREE OF THE
PANELISTS FOR THESE STRONG FOR ALL THREE OF THE
PANELISTS FOR THESE STRONG
OPENING STATEMENTS. PANELISTS FOR THESE STRONG
OPENING STATEMENTS.
>>[APPLAUSE] OPENING STATEMENTS.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>THAT WAS VERY RICH. >>[APPLAUSE]
>>THAT WAS VERY RICH.
YOU JUST ALL THREE GAVE US A >>THAT WAS VERY RICH.
YOU JUST ALL THREE GAVE US A
LOT TO THINK ABOUT ALREADY. YOU JUST ALL THREE GAVE US A
LOT TO THINK ABOUT ALREADY.
BUT LET’S CHAT ABOUT SOME OF LOT TO THINK ABOUT ALREADY.
BUT LET’S CHAT ABOUT SOME OF
IT. BUT LET’S CHAT ABOUT SOME OF
IT.
IT SEEMS TO ME I’VE HEARD IT.
IT SEEMS TO ME I’VE HEARD
COMMON GROUND ALREADY IN THE IT SEEMS TO ME I’VE HEARD
COMMON GROUND ALREADY IN THE
OBVIOUS SENSE THAT ALL THREE COMMON GROUND ALREADY IN THE
OBVIOUS SENSE THAT ALL THREE
OF YOU CONDEMN VIOLENCE, OBVIOUS SENSE THAT ALL THREE
OF YOU CONDEMN VIOLENCE,
PERPETRATED IN THE NAME OF OF YOU CONDEMN VIOLENCE,
PERPETRATED IN THE NAME OF
RELIGION. PERPETRATED IN THE NAME OF
RELIGION.
ALL THREE OF YOU, I THINK, RELIGION.
ALL THREE OF YOU, I THINK,
ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE ALL THREE OF YOU, I THINK,
ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE
MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO
IDENTIFY AS MUSLIMS AROUND MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO
IDENTIFY AS MUSLIMS AROUND
THE WORLD ARE NOT ENGAGED IN IDENTIFY AS MUSLIMS AROUND
THE WORLD ARE NOT ENGAGED IN
VIOLENCE. THE WORLD ARE NOT ENGAGED IN
VIOLENCE.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHERE VIOLENCE.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHERE
THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE IS IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHERE
THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE IS
THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE IS
THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE
ACTS OF VIOLENCE BY A SMALL THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE
ACTS OF VIOLENCE BY A SMALL
MINORITY DEFINE THE FAITH OR ACTS OF VIOLENCE BY A SMALL
MINORITY DEFINE THE FAITH OR
ARE A PERVERSION AND A MINORITY DEFINE THE FAITH OR
ARE A PERVERSION AND A
HIJACKING OF THE FAITH. ARE A PERVERSION AND A
HIJACKING OF THE FAITH.
AND I WANT TO GO FIRST TO HIJACKING OF THE FAITH.
AND I WANT TO GO FIRST TO
YOU, AAYAN. AND I WANT TO GO FIRST TO
YOU, AAYAN.
WE JUST HEARD IMAM FEISAL YOU, AAYAN.
WE JUST HEARD IMAM FEISAL
MAKE A POINT, HE MADE AN WE JUST HEARD IMAM FEISAL
MAKE A POINT, HE MADE AN
ANALOGY TO EPISODES, MAKE A POINT, HE MADE AN
ANALOGY TO EPISODES,
HISTORICAL EPISODES OF ANALOGY TO EPISODES,
HISTORICAL EPISODES OF
WRONGDOING BY FAITH IN A MORE HISTORICAL EPISODES OF
WRONGDOING BY FAITH IN A MORE
FAMILIAR EXAMPLE IN RICHMOND, WRONGDOING BY FAITH IN A MORE
FAMILIAR EXAMPLE IN RICHMOND,
VIRGINIA, CHRISTIAN FAITH. FAMILIAR EXAMPLE IN RICHMOND,
VIRGINIA, CHRISTIAN FAITH.
OF COURSE, HISTORICALLY, WARS VIRGINIA, CHRISTIAN FAITH.
OF COURSE, HISTORICALLY, WARS
HAVE BEEN FOUGHT BY OF COURSE, HISTORICALLY, WARS
HAVE BEEN FOUGHT BY
CHRISTIANS WITH EACH OTHER, HAVE BEEN FOUGHT BY
CHRISTIANS WITH EACH OTHER,
AND AGAINST OTHER GROUPS, AND CHRISTIANS WITH EACH OTHER,
AND AGAINST OTHER GROUPS, AND
YET, THERE IS NO TENDENCY IN AND AGAINST OTHER GROUPS, AND
YET, THERE IS NO TENDENCY IN
OUR CULTURE, THEREFORE, TO YET, THERE IS NO TENDENCY IN
OUR CULTURE, THEREFORE, TO
SAY THAT THERE IS OUR CULTURE, THEREFORE, TO
SAY THAT THERE IS
FUNDAMENTALLY SOMETHING WRONG SAY THAT THERE IS
FUNDAMENTALLY SOMETHING WRONG
AT THE ROOT OF CHRISTIANITY FUNDAMENTALLY SOMETHING WRONG
AT THE ROOT OF CHRISTIANITY
AND ITS DEFINITION. AT THE ROOT OF CHRISTIANITY
AND ITS DEFINITION.
I’D LIKE TO ASK YOU WHY YOU AND ITS DEFINITION.
I’D LIKE TO ASK YOU WHY YOU
MAKE THAT LEAP IN THE CASE OF I’D LIKE TO ASK YOU WHY YOU
MAKE THAT LEAP IN THE CASE OF
ISLAM AND MUSLIMS. MAKE THAT LEAP IN THE CASE OF
ISLAM AND MUSLIMS.
>>WHAT I DO IS I LISTEN TO ISLAM AND MUSLIMS.
>>WHAT I DO IS I LISTEN TO
THE MEN — MOSTLY THEY ARE >>WHAT I DO IS I LISTEN TO
THE MEN — MOSTLY THEY ARE
MEN, WHO INVOKE THE FOUNDING THE MEN — MOSTLY THEY ARE
MEN, WHO INVOKE THE FOUNDING
DOCUMENTS OF ISLAM AND MEN, WHO INVOKE THE FOUNDING
DOCUMENTS OF ISLAM AND
FOUNDING FATHER OF ISLAM, AND DOCUMENTS OF ISLAM AND
FOUNDING FATHER OF ISLAM, AND
I LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAY, AND FOUNDING FATHER OF ISLAM, AND
I LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAY, AND
THEN I THINK, IS THAT IN THE I LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAY, AND
THEN I THINK, IS THAT IN THE
CURAN. THEN I THINK, IS THAT IN THE
CURAN.
FOR INSTANCE, AS YOU PROBABLY CURAN.
FOR INSTANCE, AS YOU PROBABLY
ALL KNOW, I’M VERY MUCH FOR INSTANCE, AS YOU PROBABLY
ALL KNOW, I’M VERY MUCH
CONCERNED ABOUT THE ALL KNOW, I’M VERY MUCH
CONCERNED ABOUT THE
SUBJECTION OF WOMEN SO WHEN I CONCERNED ABOUT THE
SUBJECTION OF WOMEN SO WHEN I
READ IN THE CURAN THAT MEN SUBJECTION OF WOMEN SO WHEN I
READ IN THE CURAN THAT MEN
ARE THE MAINTENANCE OF WOMEN READ IN THE CURAN THAT MEN
ARE THE MAINTENANCE OF WOMEN
AND THAT HUSBANDS ARE ALLOWED ARE THE MAINTENANCE OF WOMEN
AND THAT HUSBANDS ARE ALLOWED
TO HIT THEIR WIVES, I SEE — AND THAT HUSBANDS ARE ALLOWED
TO HIT THEIR WIVES, I SEE —
I LOOK AT THAT VERSE IN A WAY TO HIT THEIR WIVES, I SEE —
I LOOK AT THAT VERSE IN A WAY
AND I THINK YOU CAN READ THAT I LOOK AT THAT VERSE IN A WAY
AND I THINK YOU CAN READ THAT
IN CONTEXT, IN HISTORICAL AND I THINK YOU CAN READ THAT
IN CONTEXT, IN HISTORICAL
CONTEXT, OR YOU CAN APPLY IT IN CONTEXT, IN HISTORICAL
CONTEXT, OR YOU CAN APPLY IT
TO OUR TIMES, AND THE MEN WHO CONTEXT, OR YOU CAN APPLY IT
TO OUR TIMES, AND THE MEN WHO
ARE DOING THAT, WHO ARE TO OUR TIMES, AND THE MEN WHO
ARE DOING THAT, WHO ARE
APPLYING ALL OF THESE VERSES ARE DOING THAT, WHO ARE
APPLYING ALL OF THESE VERSES
AND THE EXAMPLE OF THE APPLYING ALL OF THESE VERSES
AND THE EXAMPLE OF THE
PROPHET MOHAMMED, NOT TO THE AND THE EXAMPLE OF THE
PROPHET MOHAMMED, NOT TO THE
SEVENTH CENTURY, BUT TO OUR PROPHET MOHAMMED, NOT TO THE
SEVENTH CENTURY, BUT TO OUR
TIME, I FIND — AND IT’S VERY SEVENTH CENTURY, BUT TO OUR
TIME, I FIND — AND IT’S VERY
UNFORTUNATE, BUT I FIND THEM TIME, I FIND — AND IT’S VERY
UNFORTUNATE, BUT I FIND THEM
TO BE FAR MORE INFLUENTIAL IN UNFORTUNATE, BUT I FIND THEM
TO BE FAR MORE INFLUENTIAL IN
INSPIRING AND MOBILIZING THE TO BE FAR MORE INFLUENTIAL IN
INSPIRING AND MOBILIZING THE
YOUNG MEN TO SEE THE RELIGION INSPIRING AND MOBILIZING THE
YOUNG MEN TO SEE THE RELIGION
OF ISLAM THE WAY THEY SEE IT YOUNG MEN TO SEE THE RELIGION
OF ISLAM THE WAY THEY SEE IT
THAN THE WAY EITHER IMAM OF ISLAM THE WAY THEY SEE IT
THAN THE WAY EITHER IMAM
FEISAL SAYS HE SEES IT OR THAN THE WAY EITHER IMAM
FEISAL SAYS HE SEES IT OR
MAAJIK SEES IT. FEISAL SAYS HE SEES IT OR
MAAJIK SEES IT.
THAT’S A FACT. MAAJIK SEES IT.
THAT’S A FACT.
YOU LOOK AT AL-QAEDA, THAT’S A FACT.
YOU LOOK AT AL-QAEDA,
AL-QAEDA DOES NOT USE BIN YOU LOOK AT AL-QAEDA,
AL-QAEDA DOES NOT USE BIN
LADEN TO RECRUIT NEW PEOPLE. AL-QAEDA DOES NOT USE BIN
LADEN TO RECRUIT NEW PEOPLE.
AL-QAEDA USES THE CURAN AND LADEN TO RECRUIT NEW PEOPLE.
AL-QAEDA USES THE CURAN AND
PROPHET MOHAMMED TO RECRUIT AL-QAEDA USES THE CURAN AND
PROPHET MOHAMMED TO RECRUIT
YOUNG MEN. PROPHET MOHAMMED TO RECRUIT
YOUNG MEN.
SO WE HAVE TO STOP THIS YOUNG MEN.
SO WE HAVE TO STOP THIS
DENIAL, AND AT SOME POINT, SO WE HAVE TO STOP THIS
DENIAL, AND AT SOME POINT,
TRY AND ADDRESS THE DENIAL, AND AT SOME POINT,
TRY AND ADDRESS THE
INFLUENTIAL OF THESE TRY AND ADDRESS THE
INFLUENTIAL OF THESE
DOCUMENTS, AND THE WAY TO DO INFLUENTIAL OF THESE
DOCUMENTS, AND THE WAY TO DO
IT IS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IN DOCUMENTS, AND THE WAY TO DO
IT IS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IN
THERE, AND NOT DENY IT. IT IS TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IN
THERE, AND NOT DENY IT.
IT IS THE DENIAL THAT IS SO THERE, AND NOT DENY IT.
IT IS THE DENIAL THAT IS SO
INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING. IT IS THE DENIAL THAT IS SO
INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING.
>>LET ME ASK MAAJIK. INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING.
>>LET ME ASK MAAJIK.
YOU’VE IN A SENSE LIVED BOTH >>LET ME ASK MAAJIK.
YOU’VE IN A SENSE LIVED BOTH
SIDES OF THE EQUATION THAT YOU’VE IN A SENSE LIVED BOTH
SIDES OF THE EQUATION THAT
AAYAN WAS JUST DESCRIBING. SIDES OF THE EQUATION THAT
AAYAN WAS JUST DESCRIBING.
IN THE OPENING, I MISTAKENLY AAYAN WAS JUST DESCRIBING.
IN THE OPENING, I MISTAKENLY
REFERRED TO YOU AS A IN THE OPENING, I MISTAKENLY
REFERRED TO YOU AS A
PRACTICING MUSLIM, AND YOU REFERRED TO YOU AS A
PRACTICING MUSLIM, AND YOU
POINT OUT, I APOLOGIZE, YOU PRACTICING MUSLIM, AND YOU
POINT OUT, I APOLOGIZE, YOU
CLARIFIED THE NUANCE SHOULD POINT OUT, I APOLOGIZE, YOU
CLARIFIED THE NUANCE SHOULD
BE THAT YOU IDENTIFY AS A CLARIFIED THE NUANCE SHOULD
BE THAT YOU IDENTIFY AS A
MUSLIM. BE THAT YOU IDENTIFY AS A
MUSLIM.
BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MUSLIM.
BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
WHO YOU WERE WHEN YOU WERE A BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
WHO YOU WERE WHEN YOU WERE A
RADICAL AND WHO YOU ARE NOW WHO YOU WERE WHEN YOU WERE A
RADICAL AND WHO YOU ARE NOW
SAYS WHAT ABOUT THAT RADICAL AND WHO YOU ARE NOW
SAYS WHAT ABOUT THAT
IDENTIFICATION WITH ISLAM SAYS WHAT ABOUT THAT
IDENTIFICATION WITH ISLAM
THAT YOU HAVE? IDENTIFICATION WITH ISLAM
THAT YOU HAVE?
WELL, I WASN’T RAISED AS WHAT THAT YOU HAVE?
WELL, I WASN’T RAISED AS WHAT
PEOPLE REFERRED TO AS A WELL, I WASN’T RAISED AS WHAT
PEOPLE REFERRED TO AS A
PRACTICING MUSLIM, AND MY PEOPLE REFERRED TO AS A
PRACTICING MUSLIM, AND MY
PATH TOWARDS THE ISLAMIST PRACTICING MUSLIM, AND MY
PATH TOWARDS THE ISLAMIST
IDEOLOGY AND PERHAPS THIS PATH TOWARDS THE ISLAMIST
IDEOLOGY AND PERHAPS THIS
TOUCHES ON SOMETHING THAT IDEOLOGY AND PERHAPS THIS
TOUCHES ON SOMETHING THAT
AAYAN HAS SPOKEN ABOUT, THE TOUCHES ON SOMETHING THAT
AAYAN HAS SPOKEN ABOUT, THE
PAST IDEOLOGY WASN’T ACTUALLY AAYAN HAS SPOKEN ABOUT, THE
PAST IDEOLOGY WASN’T ACTUALLY
A SMOOTH — WITH THE CURAN, PAST IDEOLOGY WASN’T ACTUALLY
A SMOOTH — WITH THE CURAN,
ALL THE TEACH RESPECT OF THE A SMOOTH — WITH THE CURAN,
ALL THE TEACH RESPECT OF THE
PROPHET. ALL THE TEACH RESPECT OF THE
PROPHET.
TWO THINGS HAPPENED. PROPHET.
TWO THINGS HAPPENED.
I WAS BORN IN ESSEX IN THE TWO THINGS HAPPENED.
I WAS BORN IN ESSEX IN THE
U.K., AN AREA NEXT DOOR TO I WAS BORN IN ESSEX IN THE
U.K., AN AREA NEXT DOOR TO
LONDON, AND THE FIRST U.K., AN AREA NEXT DOOR TO
LONDON, AND THE FIRST
EXPERIENCE, IT WAS SEVERE AND LONDON, AND THE FIRST
EXPERIENCE, IT WAS SEVERE AND
VIOLENT RACISM DOMESTICALLY EXPERIENCE, IT WAS SEVERE AND
VIOLENT RACISM DOMESTICALLY
AND THE SECOND WAS THAT I WAS VIOLENT RACISM DOMESTICALLY
AND THE SECOND WAS THAT I WAS
WITNESSING THE GENOCIDE AND THE SECOND WAS THAT I WAS
WITNESSING THE GENOCIDE
UNFOLD IN BOZ KNEEA, WHICH WITNESSING THE GENOCIDE
UNFOLD IN BOZ KNEEA, WHICH
FOR US BORN AND RAISED UNFOLD IN BOZ KNEEA, WHICH
FOR US BORN AND RAISED
MUSLIMS WAS AROUND THE FOR US BORN AND RAISED
MUSLIMS WAS AROUND THE
CORNER, NEXT DOOR, AND MUSLIMS WAS AROUND THE
CORNER, NEXT DOOR, AND
TOUCHED US DEEPLY. CORNER, NEXT DOOR, AND
TOUCHED US DEEPLY.
THESE TWO, THEY MANIFESTED IN TOUCHED US DEEPLY.
THESE TWO, THEY MANIFESTED IN
THE FORM OF IDENTITY POLITICS THESE TWO, THEY MANIFESTED IN
THE FORM OF IDENTITY POLITICS
IN BRITAIN. THE FORM OF IDENTITY POLITICS
IN BRITAIN.
SO ISLAM SUDDENLY BECAME NOT IN BRITAIN.
SO ISLAM SUDDENLY BECAME NOT
ONLY A FORM OF OUR IDENTITY, SO ISLAM SUDDENLY BECAME NOT
ONLY A FORM OF OUR IDENTITY,
BUT A REVOLUTIONARY CALL FOR ONLY A FORM OF OUR IDENTITY,
BUT A REVOLUTIONARY CALL FOR
CHANGE. BUT A REVOLUTIONARY CALL FOR
CHANGE.
AND IN FACT, THE ONLY SERIOUS CHANGE.
AND IN FACT, THE ONLY SERIOUS
OCCASION I HAD TO STUDY THE AND IN FACT, THE ONLY SERIOUS
OCCASION I HAD TO STUDY THE
RELIGION WAS — THIS HAPPENED OCCASION I HAD TO STUDY THE
RELIGION WAS — THIS HAPPENED
AT 16, SO I JOINED THE GROUP RELIGION WAS — THIS HAPPENED
AT 16, SO I JOINED THE GROUP
AT 16. AT 16, SO I JOINED THE GROUP
AT 16.
BY 24, I WAS IMPRISONED IN AT 16.
BY 24, I WAS IMPRISONED IN
EGYPT AFTER HAVING COFOUNDED BY 24, I WAS IMPRISONED IN
EGYPT AFTER HAVING COFOUNDED
THE GROUP IN THREE OTHER EGYPT AFTER HAVING COFOUNDED
THE GROUP IN THREE OTHER
COUNTRIES. THE GROUP IN THREE OTHER
COUNTRIES.
I BECAME THE EQUIVALENT OF A COUNTRIES.
I BECAME THE EQUIVALENT OF A
COMMUNIST FOR ISLAM. I BECAME THE EQUIVALENT OF A
COMMUNIST FOR ISLAM.
WE WERE EXPORT THANK COMMUNIST FOR ISLAM.
WE WERE EXPORT THANK
REVOLUTION. WE WERE EXPORT THANK
REVOLUTION.
THE ONLY OCCASION I HAD TO REVOLUTION.
THE ONLY OCCASION I HAD TO
STUDY THE ORIGINAL SCRIPTURES THE ONLY OCCASION I HAD TO
STUDY THE ORIGINAL SCRIPTURES
WAS AFTER I WAS IMPRISONED, STUDY THE ORIGINAL SCRIPTURES
WAS AFTER I WAS IMPRISONED,
AFTER I HAD LEARNED ARABIC, WAS AFTER I WAS IMPRISONED,
AFTER I HAD LEARNED ARABIC,
SO I SUPPOSE IT WAS A WAY OF AFTER I HAD LEARNED ARABIC,
SO I SUPPOSE IT WAS A WAY OF
ADDRESSING WHAT MY COLLEAGUE SO I SUPPOSE IT WAS A WAY OF
ADDRESSING WHAT MY COLLEAGUE
AAYAN HAS MENTIONED, WAS THAT ADDRESSING WHAT MY COLLEAGUE
AAYAN HAS MENTIONED, WAS THAT
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PATH IN, AAYAN HAS MENTIONED, WAS THAT
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PATH IN,
FOR THE MAJORITY OF WESTERN IF YOU LOOK AT THE PATH IN,
FOR THE MAJORITY OF WESTERN
RADICALIZED INDIVIDUALS, IT’S FOR THE MAJORITY OF WESTERN
RADICALIZED INDIVIDUALS, IT’S
RARELY THROUGH SCRIPTURE AND RADICALIZED INDIVIDUALS, IT’S
RARELY THROUGH SCRIPTURE AND
THE RADICALIZATION RARELY RARELY THROUGH SCRIPTURE AND
THE RADICALIZATION RARELY
OCCURS IN MOSQUES. THE RADICALIZATION RARELY
OCCURS IN MOSQUES.
I NEVER FREQUENTED A MOSQUE. OCCURS IN MOSQUES.
I NEVER FREQUENTED A MOSQUE.
IT’S USUALLY THROUGH A FORM I NEVER FREQUENTED A MOSQUE.
IT’S USUALLY THROUGH A FORM
OF POLITICIZED IDEOLOGICAL IT’S USUALLY THROUGH A FORM
OF POLITICIZED IDEOLOGICAL
DISCOURSE THAT THEY ARRIVE AT OF POLITICIZED IDEOLOGICAL
DISCOURSE THAT THEY ARRIVE AT
THESE CONCLUSIONS AND IT’S DISCOURSE THAT THEY ARRIVE AT
THESE CONCLUSIONS AND IT’S
USUALLY A MIXTURE OF IDENTITY THESE CONCLUSIONS AND IT’S
USUALLY A MIXTURE OF IDENTITY
POLITICS, CAUSAL IDENTITY USUALLY A MIXTURE OF IDENTITY
POLITICS, CAUSAL IDENTITY
POLITICS, SOMETHING THAT POLITICS, CAUSAL IDENTITY
POLITICS, SOMETHING THAT
ISN’T ALIEN TO AMERICA. POLITICS, SOMETHING THAT
ISN’T ALIEN TO AMERICA.
THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT HAD ISN’T ALIEN TO AMERICA.
THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT HAD
THIS SAME DIVISION. THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT HAD
THIS SAME DIVISION.
WE HAD MARTIN LUTHER KINGS ON THIS SAME DIVISION.
WE HAD MARTIN LUTHER KINGS ON
THE ONE HAND BUT ON THE OTHER WE HAD MARTIN LUTHER KINGS ON
THE ONE HAND BUT ON THE OTHER
HAND, THE BLACK PANTHERS AND THE ONE HAND BUT ON THE OTHER
HAND, THE BLACK PANTHERS AND
NATION OF ISLAM THAT PULLED HAND, THE BLACK PANTHERS AND
NATION OF ISLAM THAT PULLED
UP THE IDENTITY POLITICS NATION OF ISLAM THAT PULLED
UP THE IDENTITY POLITICS
AGENDA AND WHAT IT MEANT TO UP THE IDENTITY POLITICS
AGENDA AND WHAT IT MEANT TO
BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN. AGENDA AND WHAT IT MEANT TO
BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN.
>>YOU’RE SAYING IT DOES NOT BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN.
>>YOU’RE SAYING IT DOES NOT
COME FLU THE SCRIPTURE. >>YOU’RE SAYING IT DOES NOT
COME FLU THE SCRIPTURE.
I WANT TO GO TO IMAM FEISAL COME FLU THE SCRIPTURE.
I WANT TO GO TO IMAM FEISAL
ON THAT. I WANT TO GO TO IMAM FEISAL
ON THAT.
I ASSUME YOU KNOW ABOUT ON THAT.
I ASSUME YOU KNOW ABOUT
WHAT’S IN THE CURAN. I ASSUME YOU KNOW ABOUT
WHAT’S IN THE CURAN.
YOU’VE WORKED AT THIS. WHAT’S IN THE CURAN.
YOU’VE WORKED AT THIS.
AND AAYAN IS MAKING THE YOU’VE WORKED AT THIS.
AND AAYAN IS MAKING THE
ARGUMENT IN HER OPENING AND AAYAN IS MAKING THE
ARGUMENT IN HER OPENING
STATEMENT THE ACTUAL ARGUMENT IN HER OPENING
STATEMENT THE ACTUAL
FOUNDATIONAL SCRIPTURE, WORDS STATEMENT THE ACTUAL
FOUNDATIONAL SCRIPTURE, WORDS
OF THE PROPHETS, NEED TO BE FOUNDATIONAL SCRIPTURE, WORDS
OF THE PROPHETS, NEED TO BE
REVISED AND REFORMED BECAUSE OF THE PROPHETS, NEED TO BE
REVISED AND REFORMED BECAUSE
THE VIOLENCE SHE WAS REVISED AND REFORMED BECAUSE
THE VIOLENCE SHE WAS
REFERRING TO SHE SAYS IS THE VIOLENCE SHE WAS
REFERRING TO SHE SAYS IS
INHERENT THERE. REFERRING TO SHE SAYS IS
INHERENT THERE.
I’M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED INHERENT THERE.
I’M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED
ABOUT ASKING THIS QUESTION, I’M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED
ABOUT ASKING THIS QUESTION,
BECAUSE NONE OF US IN THE ABOUT ASKING THIS QUESTION,
BECAUSE NONE OF US IN THE
AUDIENCE, OR FEW OF US, ARE BECAUSE NONE OF US IN THE
AUDIENCE, OR FEW OF US, ARE
IN A POSITION TO JUDGE ANY AUDIENCE, OR FEW OF US, ARE
IN A POSITION TO JUDGE ANY
SORT OF DUALING SCRIPTURE IN A POSITION TO JUDGE ANY
SORT OF DUALING SCRIPTURE
TYPE OF CONVERSATION. SORT OF DUALING SCRIPTURE
TYPE OF CONVERSATION.
SO I WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT. TYPE OF CONVERSATION.
SO I WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT.
BUT I WANT TO ASK IN THE SORT SO I WANT TO DISCOURAGE THAT.
BUT I WANT TO ASK IN THE SORT
OF FUNDAMENTAL SENSE, IS IT BUT I WANT TO ASK IN THE SORT
OF FUNDAMENTAL SENSE, IS IT
ACCURATE THAT THERE IS OF FUNDAMENTAL SENSE, IS IT
ACCURATE THAT THERE IS
SUPPORT IN ANY WAY FOR THE ACCURATE THAT THERE IS
SUPPORT IN ANY WAY FOR THE
KIND OF VIOLENCE, OR COULD IT SUPPORT IN ANY WAY FOR THE
KIND OF VIOLENCE, OR COULD IT
BE INTERPRETED EASILY, IS IT KIND OF VIOLENCE, OR COULD IT
BE INTERPRETED EASILY, IS IT
AN EASY LIFTOFF FROM WHAT’S BE INTERPRETED EASILY, IS IT
AN EASY LIFTOFF FROM WHAT’S
IN THE CURAN TO TURN INTO A AN EASY LIFTOFF FROM WHAT’S
IN THE CURAN TO TURN INTO A
CAUSE FOR VIOLENCE. IN THE CURAN TO TURN INTO A
CAUSE FOR VIOLENCE.
>>THE CURAN IS A RECORD OF CAUSE FOR VIOLENCE.
>>THE CURAN IS A RECORD OF
23 YEARS WORTH OF REVELATIONS >>THE CURAN IS A RECORD OF
23 YEARS WORTH OF REVELATIONS
IN DIFFERENT CONTEXTS. 23 YEARS WORTH OF REVELATIONS
IN DIFFERENT CONTEXTS.
AND IN THE MOSQUE CENTURY, IN DIFFERENT CONTEXTS.
AND IN THE MOSQUE CENTURY,
THERE HAS BEEN A AND IN THE MOSQUE CENTURY,
THERE HAS BEEN A
DISCONTINUATION OF TRADITION THERE HAS BEEN A
DISCONTINUATION OF TRADITION
OF SCHOLARSHIP. DISCONTINUATION OF TRADITION
OF SCHOLARSHIP.
FROM THE VERY EARLY TIMES, A OF SCHOLARSHIP.
FROM THE VERY EARLY TIMES, A
GROUP OF SCHOLARS STUDIED THE FROM THE VERY EARLY TIMES, A
GROUP OF SCHOLARS STUDIED THE
CURAN, STUDIED THE DICTION OF GROUP OF SCHOLARS STUDIED THE
CURAN, STUDIED THE DICTION OF
THE PROPHET AND WHAT WE CALL CURAN, STUDIED THE DICTION OF
THE PROPHET AND WHAT WE CALL
SHARIA IS ACTUALLY A CREATIVE THE PROPHET AND WHAT WE CALL
SHARIA IS ACTUALLY A CREATIVE
WORK, A CREATIVE WORK WHICH SHARIA IS ACTUALLY A CREATIVE
WORK, A CREATIVE WORK WHICH
EVOLVED OVER SEVERAL WORK, A CREATIVE WORK WHICH
EVOLVED OVER SEVERAL
CENTURIES BY JURISTS WHO EVOLVED OVER SEVERAL
CENTURIES BY JURISTS WHO
DEVELOPED AN UNDERSTANDING OF CENTURIES BY JURISTS WHO
DEVELOPED AN UNDERSTANDING OF
THE ISLAM JURISPRUDENCE, AND DEVELOPED AN UNDERSTANDING OF
THE ISLAM JURISPRUDENCE, AND
DEVELOPED BOTH AN THE ISLAM JURISPRUDENCE, AND
DEVELOPED BOTH AN
UNDERSTANDING BASED UPON NOT DEVELOPED BOTH AN
UNDERSTANDING BASED UPON NOT
ONLY THE VERSIONS OF THE UNDERSTANDING BASED UPON NOT
ONLY THE VERSIONS OF THE
CURAN, THE TEACHINGS OF THE ONLY THE VERSIONS OF THE
CURAN, THE TEACHINGS OF THE
PROPHET, AND THE PRECEDENCE CURAN, THE TEACHINGS OF THE
PROPHET, AND THE PRECEDENCE
OF HIS COMPANIONS WHO BEGAN PROPHET, AND THE PRECEDENCE
OF HIS COMPANIONS WHO BEGAN
TO RULE. OF HIS COMPANIONS WHO BEGAN
TO RULE.
IN THE SECOND CALIPH, WHEN HE TO RULE.
IN THE SECOND CALIPH, WHEN HE
CONQUERED JERUSALEM, IN THE SECOND CALIPH, WHEN HE
CONQUERED JERUSALEM,
RECOGNIZED CHRISTIANS, AND CONQUERED JERUSALEM,
RECOGNIZED CHRISTIANS, AND
MANY PEOPLE DON’T KNOW THIS RECOGNIZED CHRISTIANS, AND
MANY PEOPLE DON’T KNOW THIS
FACT, EVEN, IT WAS OMER WHO MANY PEOPLE DON’T KNOW THIS
FACT, EVEN, IT WAS OMER WHO
ACTUALLY INVITED JEWS TO TAKE FACT, EVEN, IT WAS OMER WHO
ACTUALLY INVITED JEWS TO TAKE
RESIDENCE IN JERUSALEM. ACTUALLY INVITED JEWS TO TAKE
RESIDENCE IN JERUSALEM.
SO THE COLLECTIVE HISTORY AND RESIDENCE IN JERUSALEM.
SO THE COLLECTIVE HISTORY AND
THIS TRADITION OF THE SO THE COLLECTIVE HISTORY AND
THIS TRADITION OF THE
CONTINUEOUS JURISPRUDENCE AND THIS TRADITION OF THE
CONTINUEOUS JURISPRUDENCE AND
UNDERSTANDING HAS BEEN TAUGHT CONTINUEOUS JURISPRUDENCE AND
UNDERSTANDING HAS BEEN TAUGHT
IN OUR TRADITION. UNDERSTANDING HAS BEEN TAUGHT
IN OUR TRADITION.
IN THE 20TH CENTURY, SOME IN OUR TRADITION.
IN THE 20TH CENTURY, SOME
VERY MAJOR THINGS HAPPENED IN THE 20TH CENTURY, SOME
VERY MAJOR THINGS HAPPENED
WHICH DISCONTINUED THIS VERY MAJOR THINGS HAPPENED
WHICH DISCONTINUED THIS
TRADITION OF SCHOLARSHIP AS WHICH DISCONTINUED THIS
TRADITION OF SCHOLARSHIP AS
BEING DOMINANT. TRADITION OF SCHOLARSHIP AS
BEING DOMINANT.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO FELT BEING DOMINANT.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO FELT
THEY COULD READ THE CURAN AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO FELT
THEY COULD READ THE CURAN
DIRECTLY AND ARRIVE AT THEIR THEY COULD READ THE CURAN
DIRECTLY AND ARRIVE AT THEIR
CONCLUSIONS DEVELOPED NEW DIRECTLY AND ARRIVE AT THEIR
CONCLUSIONS DEVELOPED NEW
IDEAS WHICH ARE ALIEN TO THIS CONCLUSIONS DEVELOPED NEW
IDEAS WHICH ARE ALIEN TO THIS
TRADITION OF SCHOLARSHIP. IDEAS WHICH ARE ALIEN TO THIS
TRADITION OF SCHOLARSHIP.
IDEAS SUCH AS AN ISLAMIC TRADITION OF SCHOLARSHIP.
IDEAS SUCH AS AN ISLAMIC
STATE, WHICH IS AN INCOHERENT IDEAS SUCH AS AN ISLAMIC
STATE, WHICH IS AN INCOHERENT
CONCEPT, IDEAS WHICH ARE NOW STATE, WHICH IS AN INCOHERENT
CONCEPT, IDEAS WHICH ARE NOW
SPLITTING THE WHOLE MUSLIM CONCEPT, IDEAS WHICH ARE NOW
SPLITTING THE WHOLE MUSLIM
WORLD FROM MOROCCO TO SPLITTING THE WHOLE MUSLIM
WORLD FROM MOROCCO TO
INDONESIA, SUNNI AGAINST WORLD FROM MOROCCO TO
INDONESIA, SUNNI AGAINST
SUNNI AS WE SEE IN EGYPT AND INDONESIA, SUNNI AGAINST
SUNNI AS WE SEE IN EGYPT AND
TUNISIA, AROUND THE ISLAMIC SUNNI AS WE SEE IN EGYPT AND
TUNISIA, AROUND THE ISLAMIC
STATEMENT IT’S AN INCOHERENT TUNISIA, AROUND THE ISLAMIC
STATEMENT IT’S AN INCOHERENT
IDEA, BUT IT’S CREATING A LOT STATEMENT IT’S AN INCOHERENT
IDEA, BUT IT’S CREATING A LOT
OF DIVISIVENESS, AND IDEA, BUT IT’S CREATING A LOT
OF DIVISIVENESS, AND
UNNECESSARY VIOLENCE IN MANY OF DIVISIVENESS, AND
UNNECESSARY VIOLENCE IN MANY
IN THAT REGION. UNNECESSARY VIOLENCE IN MANY
IN THAT REGION.
THE CONCEPT OF, YOU KNOW, WE IN THAT REGION.
THE CONCEPT OF, YOU KNOW, WE
HAVE TO DELINK THE THE CONCEPT OF, YOU KNOW, WE
HAVE TO DELINK THE
AUTHORITARIANISM OR EXTREMISM HAVE TO DELINK THE
AUTHORITARIANISM OR EXTREMISM
FROM RELIGION. AUTHORITARIANISM OR EXTREMISM
FROM RELIGION.
YOU CAN HAVE UNDER THE SOVIET FROM RELIGION.
YOU CAN HAVE UNDER THE SOVIET
UNION, WE HAD A MILITANT, YOU CAN HAVE UNDER THE SOVIET
UNION, WE HAD A MILITANT,
EXTREMIST, AUTHORITARIAN, UNION, WE HAD A MILITANT,
EXTREMIST, AUTHORITARIAN,
ATHEISM, WHICH WAS EXTREMIST, AUTHORITARIAN,
ATHEISM, WHICH WAS
PROSELYTIZED. ATHEISM, WHICH WAS
PROSELYTIZED.
IT DOESN’T MEAN ATHEISTS ARE PROSELYTIZED.
IT DOESN’T MEAN ATHEISTS ARE
YOU A AUTHORIZETARIAN, IT IT DOESN’T MEAN ATHEISTS ARE
YOU A AUTHORIZETARIAN, IT
DOESN’T MEAN ATHEISM IS YOU A AUTHORIZETARIAN, IT
DOESN’T MEAN ATHEISM IS
SOMETHING WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS DOESN’T MEAN ATHEISM IS
SOMETHING WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS
FUNDAMENTALLY ANTIAMERICAN. SOMETHING WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS
FUNDAMENTALLY ANTIAMERICAN.
MANY ARE ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC. FUNDAMENTALLY ANTIAMERICAN.
MANY ARE ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC.
SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WE’VE MANY ARE ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC.
SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WE’VE
HAD AN INCREASING SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WE’VE
HAD AN INCREASING
AUTHORITARIANISM IN MANY HAD AN INCREASING
AUTHORITARIANISM IN MANY
COUNTRIES OF THE MUSLIM WORLD AUTHORITARIANISM IN MANY
COUNTRIES OF THE MUSLIM WORLD
TODAY AND WHICH HAS BECOME COUNTRIES OF THE MUSLIM WORLD
TODAY AND WHICH HAS BECOME
THE BANE OF WHAT WE’RE SEEING TODAY AND WHICH HAS BECOME
THE BANE OF WHAT WE’RE SEEING
BUT THE ARRIVAL OF THIS THE BANE OF WHAT WE’RE SEEING
BUT THE ARRIVAL OF THIS
MILITANT ISLAM IS REALLY A BUT THE ARRIVAL OF THIS
MILITANT ISLAM IS REALLY A
PRODUCT OF SOME HISTORICAL MILITANT ISLAM IS REALLY A
PRODUCT OF SOME HISTORICAL
NARRATIVE WHICH DEVELOPED IN PRODUCT OF SOME HISTORICAL
NARRATIVE WHICH DEVELOPED IN
THE LAST CENTURY. NARRATIVE WHICH DEVELOPED IN
THE LAST CENTURY.
THE ARRIVAL OF THE — PEOPLE THE LAST CENTURY.
THE ARRIVAL OF THE — PEOPLE
MAY NOT REMEMBER, PEOPLE OF THE ARRIVAL OF THE — PEOPLE
MAY NOT REMEMBER, PEOPLE OF
MY AGE, OF THE MUHAJADEEN WAS MAY NOT REMEMBER, PEOPLE OF
MY AGE, OF THE MUHAJADEEN WAS
SOMETHING DEVELOPED BY MY AGE, OF THE MUHAJADEEN WAS
SOMETHING DEVELOPED BY
PAKISTAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOMETHING DEVELOPED BY
PAKISTAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH
SAUDI ARABIA AND THE UNITED PAKISTAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH
SAUDI ARABIA AND THE UNITED
STATES TO FIGHT THE SOVIETS SAUDI ARABIA AND THE UNITED
STATES TO FIGHT THE SOVIETS
IN AFGHANISTAN. STATES TO FIGHT THE SOVIETS
IN AFGHANISTAN.
AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO IN AFGHANISTAN.
AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO
WERE ENCOURAGE TO GO AND AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO
WERE ENCOURAGE TO GO AND
FIGHT WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE WERE ENCOURAGE TO GO AND
FIGHT WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE
EVEN CRIMINALS. FIGHT WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE
EVEN CRIMINALS.
YOU COULD SEND CRIMINALS TO EVEN CRIMINALS.
YOU COULD SEND CRIMINALS TO
GO AND FIGHT IN AFGHANISTAN. YOU COULD SEND CRIMINALS TO
GO AND FIGHT IN AFGHANISTAN.
MUHAJADEEN WERE VIPSS FROM GO AND FIGHT IN AFGHANISTAN.
MUHAJADEEN WERE VIPSS FROM
THE REAGAN WHITE HOUSE, THEY MUHAJADEEN WERE VIPSS FROM
THE REAGAN WHITE HOUSE, THEY
WERE WELCOMED BY REAGAN AND THE REAGAN WHITE HOUSE, THEY
WERE WELCOMED BY REAGAN AND
CHAMPIONED BY REAGAN. WERE WELCOMED BY REAGAN AND
CHAMPIONED BY REAGAN.
UNFORTUNATELY THE IDEOLOGY CHAMPIONED BY REAGAN.
UNFORTUNATELY THE IDEOLOGY
DEVELOPED TO FIGHT THE UNFORTUNATELY THE IDEOLOGY
DEVELOPED TO FIGHT THE
SOVIETS WERE NOT REINTEGRATED DEVELOPED TO FIGHT THE
SOVIETS WERE NOT REINTEGRATED
BACK INTO SOCIETY. SOVIETS WERE NOT REINTEGRATED
BACK INTO SOCIETY.
JUST LIKE IF YOU HAVE MORE BACK INTO SOCIETY.
JUST LIKE IF YOU HAVE MORE
VETERANS WENT INTO IRAQ, THEY JUST LIKE IF YOU HAVE MORE
VETERANS WENT INTO IRAQ, THEY
WERE NOT INTEGRATED AND VETERANS WENT INTO IRAQ, THEY
WERE NOT INTEGRATED AND
SUPPORTED — WERE NOT INTEGRATED AND
SUPPORTED —
>>MAY I TAKE YOUR POINT, THE SUPPORTED —
>>MAY I TAKE YOUR POINT, THE
POINT YOU WERE MAKING, THE >>MAY I TAKE YOUR POINT, THE
POINT YOU WERE MAKING, THE
CENTER OF WHAT YOU WERE POINT YOU WERE MAKING, THE
CENTER OF WHAT YOU WERE
SAYING, MAKE IT BEYOND, THAT CENTER OF WHAT YOU WERE
SAYING, MAKE IT BEYOND, THAT
IMAM IS MAKING THE POINT THAT SAYING, MAKE IT BEYOND, THAT
IMAM IS MAKING THE POINT THAT
THE KIND OF MISBEHAVIOR, FOR IMAM IS MAKING THE POINT THAT
THE KIND OF MISBEHAVIOR, FOR
WANT OF A BETTER TERM, THAT THE KIND OF MISBEHAVIOR, FOR
WANT OF A BETTER TERM, THAT
IS EXPRESSED THROUGH ISLAM OF WANT OF A BETTER TERM, THAT
IS EXPRESSED THROUGH ISLAM OF
THE TYPES YOU’RE DESCRIBING IS EXPRESSED THROUGH ISLAM OF
THE TYPES YOU’RE DESCRIBING
IS A RATHER RECENT THE TYPES YOU’RE DESCRIBING
IS A RATHER RECENT
DEVELOPMENT, IN OTHER WORDS, IS A RATHER RECENT
DEVELOPMENT, IN OTHER WORDS,
IF WE WERE TO GO BACK 250 DEVELOPMENT, IN OTHER WORDS,
IF WE WERE TO GO BACK 250
YEARS, WE COULDN’T SEE THE IF WE WERE TO GO BACK 250
YEARS, WE COULDN’T SEE THE
MUSLIM WORLD ACTING IN THAT YEARS, WE COULDN’T SEE THE
MUSLIM WORLD ACTING IN THAT
WAY IN ANY FASHION, IN A SORT MUSLIM WORLD ACTING IN THAT
WAY IN ANY FASHION, IN A SORT
OF POLITICAL FASHION, WAY IN ANY FASHION, IN A SORT
OF POLITICAL FASHION,
AGGRESSIVE FASHION. OF POLITICAL FASHION,
AGGRESSIVE FASHION.
WHAT’S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT? AGGRESSIVE FASHION.
WHAT’S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?
>>WELL, I RESPECTFULLY WHAT’S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?
>>WELL, I RESPECTFULLY
DISAGREE. >>WELL, I RESPECTFULLY
DISAGREE.
ISLAM WAS FOUNDED BY MOHAMMED DISAGREE.
ISLAM WAS FOUNDED BY MOHAMMED
WHO CLAIMED TO BE A PROPHET, ISLAM WAS FOUNDED BY MOHAMMED
WHO CLAIMED TO BE A PROPHET,
IN THE EARLY YEARS, MECCA. HE WHO CLAIMED TO BE A PROPHET,
IN THE EARLY YEARS, MECCA. HE
EMPHASIZED WHAT WE NOW IN THE EARLY YEARS, MECCA. HE
EMPHASIZED WHAT WE NOW
DESCRIBED AS RELIGION, EMPHASIZED WHAT WE NOW
DESCRIBED AS RELIGION,
PRAYER, FASTING, CHARITY, DESCRIBED AS RELIGION,
PRAYER, FASTING, CHARITY,
TAKING CARE OF THE ORPHANS, PRAYER, FASTING, CHARITY,
TAKING CARE OF THE ORPHANS,
BUT THEN LATER, IN HIS TIME TAKING CARE OF THE ORPHANS,
BUT THEN LATER, IN HIS TIME
IN MEDINA, WHEN HE DEVELOPED, BUT THEN LATER, IN HIS TIME
IN MEDINA, WHEN HE DEVELOPED,
YOU KNOW, A FOLLOWING THAT IN MEDINA, WHEN HE DEVELOPED,
YOU KNOW, A FOLLOWING THAT
WAS LARGE ENOUGH TO ORGANIZE YOU KNOW, A FOLLOWING THAT
WAS LARGE ENOUGH TO ORGANIZE
A MILITIA, THEN THE WAS LARGE ENOUGH TO ORGANIZE
A MILITIA, THEN THE
REVELATIONS HE SAID HE WAS A MILITIA, THEN THE
REVELATIONS HE SAID HE WAS
RECEIVING FROM GOD CHANGED REVELATIONS HE SAID HE WAS
RECEIVING FROM GOD CHANGED
AND THEY BECAME MORE MILITARY RECEIVING FROM GOD CHANGED
AND THEY BECAME MORE MILITARY
AND HE BECAME MILITARISTIC, AND THEY BECAME MORE MILITARY
AND HE BECAME MILITARISTIC,
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE AND HE BECAME MILITARISTIC,
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE
HISTORY OF ISLAM FROM THAT AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE
HISTORY OF ISLAM FROM THAT
TIME IN MEDINA UP TO NOW, HISTORY OF ISLAM FROM THAT
TIME IN MEDINA UP TO NOW,
WHAT YOU SEE IS, FIRST OF TIME IN MEDINA UP TO NOW,
WHAT YOU SEE IS, FIRST OF
ALL, AN INTERTWINING OF WHAT YOU SEE IS, FIRST OF
ALL, AN INTERTWINING OF
POLITICS AND RELIGION. ALL, AN INTERTWINING OF
POLITICS AND RELIGION.
AND CONQUEST AFTER CONQUEST. POLITICS AND RELIGION.
AND CONQUEST AFTER CONQUEST.
AND WHEN THESE CONQUESTS WERE AND CONQUEST AFTER CONQUEST.
AND WHEN THESE CONQUESTS WERE
MADE, THEN GOD’S WORD WAS AND WHEN THESE CONQUESTS WERE
MADE, THEN GOD’S WORD WAS
APPLIED — THERE WAS AN MADE, THEN GOD’S WORD WAS
APPLIED — THERE WAS AN
ATTEMPT TO APPLY DEFINE LAW APPLIED — THERE WAS AN
ATTEMPT TO APPLY DEFINE LAW
TO GOVERN. ATTEMPT TO APPLY DEFINE LAW
TO GOVERN.
AND YES, IN THE LAST 200 TO GOVERN.
AND YES, IN THE LAST 200
YEARS, AFTER THE FALL OF THE AND YES, IN THE LAST 200
YEARS, AFTER THE FALL OF THE
OT MAN — OTTOMAN EMPIRE, YEARS, AFTER THE FALL OF THE
OT MAN — OTTOMAN EMPIRE,
ISLAM HAS FOUND ITSELF ON THE OT MAN — OTTOMAN EMPIRE,
ISLAM HAS FOUND ITSELF ON THE
DEFENSIVE. ISLAM HAS FOUND ITSELF ON THE
DEFENSIVE.
AND THE ANSWER TO THAT, TO DEFENSIVE.
AND THE ANSWER TO THAT, TO
SAY WESTERN ASENDENCEY AND AND THE ANSWER TO THAT, TO
SAY WESTERN ASENDENCEY AND
WESTERN IMPERIALISM IS WHERE SAY WESTERN ASENDENCEY AND
WESTERN IMPERIALISM IS WHERE
I THINK THE IMAM SORT OF WESTERN IMPERIALISM IS WHERE
I THINK THE IMAM SORT OF
BEGINS HISTORY AND WHERE I THINK THE IMAM SORT OF
BEGINS HISTORY AND WHERE
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT BEGINS HISTORY AND WHERE
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT
STRANDS AND TWO DIFFERENT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT
STRANDS AND TWO DIFFERENT
VOICES, ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE STRANDS AND TWO DIFFERENT
VOICES, ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE
SAYING WE NEED TO CONQUER THE VOICES, ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE
SAYING WE NEED TO CONQUER THE
WEST. SAYING WE NEED TO CONQUER THE
WEST.
THAT IS A SEPARATE RELIGION WEST.
THAT IS A SEPARATE RELIGION
FROM POLITICS, AS DID KEMAL THAT IS A SEPARATE RELIGION
FROM POLITICS, AS DID KEMAL
ATATURK IN TURKEY AND OTHERS FROM POLITICS, AS DID KEMAL
ATATURK IN TURKEY AND OTHERS
SAYING, NO, WE NEED TO — YOU ATATURK IN TURKEY AND OTHERS
SAYING, NO, WE NEED TO — YOU
KNOW, YOU CANNOT REALLY AB SAYING, NO, WE NEED TO — YOU
KNOW, YOU CANNOT REALLY AB
MOSLIM AND CANNOT BE A MUSLIM KNOW, YOU CANNOT REALLY AB
MOSLIM AND CANNOT BE A MUSLIM
SOCIETY AOLS YOU ARE RULED MOSLIM AND CANNOT BE A MUSLIM
SOCIETY AOLS YOU ARE RULED
UNDER THE SHARIA. SOCIETY AOLS YOU ARE RULED
UNDER THE SHARIA.
THAT DEBATE, THAT DIALOGUE, UNDER THE SHARIA.
THAT DEBATE, THAT DIALOGUE,
CONFRONTATION, WHATEVER YOU THAT DEBATE, THAT DIALOGUE,
CONFRONTATION, WHATEVER YOU
CALL IT, IS NOT OVER IN THE CONFRONTATION, WHATEVER YOU
CALL IT, IS NOT OVER IN THE
MUSLIM WORLD AND WE SEE THAT CALL IT, IS NOT OVER IN THE
MUSLIM WORLD AND WE SEE THAT
TODAY. MUSLIM WORLD AND WE SEE THAT
TODAY.
IN TURN EASHA — IN TUNISIA, TODAY.
IN TURN EASHA — IN TUNISIA,
TODAY IN EGYPT. IN TURN EASHA — IN TUNISIA,
TODAY IN EGYPT.
IT’S NOT POLITICAL, IT’S NOT TODAY IN EGYPT.
IT’S NOT POLITICAL, IT’S NOT
SUPPORTED BY THE FOUNDING IT’S NOT POLITICAL, IT’S NOT
SUPPORTED BY THE FOUNDING
DOCUMENTS, IT’S NOT SUPPORTED SUPPORTED BY THE FOUNDING
DOCUMENTS, IT’S NOT SUPPORTED
BY THE HISTORY OF ISLAM TO DOCUMENTS, IT’S NOT SUPPORTED
BY THE HISTORY OF ISLAM TO
SAY THAT — YOU KNOW, IT’S BY THE HISTORY OF ISLAM TO
SAY THAT — YOU KNOW, IT’S
SOMETHING FROM THE DISTANT SAY THAT — YOU KNOW, IT’S
SOMETHING FROM THE DISTANT
PAST. SOMETHING FROM THE DISTANT
PAST.
THE RECENT 100 YEARS. PAST.
THE RECENT 100 YEARS.
IT’S SOMETHINGRY DISAGREE ON. THE RECENT 100 YEARS.
IT’S SOMETHINGRY DISAGREE ON.
>>THAT’S PREPROS PUS. IT’S SOMETHINGRY DISAGREE ON.
>>THAT’S PREPROS PUS.
TWO HUNDRED YEARS AGO — >>THAT’S PREPROS PUS.
TWO HUNDRED YEARS AGO —
THAT’S NOT AT ALL WHAT I WAS TWO HUNDRED YEARS AGO —
THAT’S NOT AT ALL WHAT I WAS
SAYING AND TO SUGGEST THAT IS THAT’S NOT AT ALL WHAT I WAS
SAYING AND TO SUGGEST THAT IS
A TRAVESTY. SAYING AND TO SUGGEST THAT IS
A TRAVESTY.
THE OTTOMANS, WHO WERE IN A TRAVESTY.
THE OTTOMANS, WHO WERE IN
POWER UNTIL 1923, 1925, WERE THE OTTOMANS, WHO WERE IN
POWER UNTIL 1923, 1925, WERE
A HAVEN. POWER UNTIL 1923, 1925, WERE
A HAVEN.
>>1924, THE CALIPHATE WAS A HAVEN.
>>1924, THE CALIPHATE WAS
ABOLISHED. >>1924, THE CALIPHATE WAS
ABOLISHED.
>>THE OTTOMAN RULED UNTIL ABOLISHED.
>>THE OTTOMAN RULED UNTIL
1923. >>THE OTTOMAN RULED UNTIL
1923.
UNTIL THAT TIME, AND EVEN 1923.
UNTIL THAT TIME, AND EVEN
THEREAFTER, UNDER OTTOMAN UNTIL THAT TIME, AND EVEN
THEREAFTER, UNDER OTTOMAN
RULE, THEY RULED OVER TURKS, THEREAFTER, UNDER OTTOMAN
RULE, THEY RULED OVER TURKS,
GREEKS, OVER ARABING, OVER RULE, THEY RULED OVER TURKS,
GREEKS, OVER ARABING, OVER
BULGARIANS, OVER MUSLIMS, GREEKS, OVER ARABING, OVER
BULGARIANS, OVER MUSLIMS,
CHRISTIANS, JEWS, YOU KNOW, BULGARIANS, OVER MUSLIMS,
CHRISTIANS, JEWS, YOU KNOW,
JEWS USED TO COME FOR SAFE CHRISTIANS, JEWS, YOU KNOW,
JEWS USED TO COME FOR SAFE
HAVEN UNDER THE OTTOMAN RULE, JEWS USED TO COME FOR SAFE
HAVEN UNDER THE OTTOMAN RULE,
INDIA, MUSLIMS RULED OVER HAVEN UNDER THE OTTOMAN RULE,
INDIA, MUSLIMS RULED OVER
VAST NUMBERS OF HINDUS. INDIA, MUSLIMS RULED OVER
VAST NUMBERS OF HINDUS.
IF THE ATTEMPT, IF THE VAST NUMBERS OF HINDUS.
IF THE ATTEMPT, IF THE
INTENTION OF MUSLIMS FROM THE IF THE ATTEMPT, IF THE
INTENTION OF MUSLIMS FROM THE
VERY BEGINNING WERE TO INTENTION OF MUSLIMS FROM THE
VERY BEGINNING WERE TO
ELIMINATE ANY OTHER RELIGION, VERY BEGINNING WERE TO
ELIMINATE ANY OTHER RELIGION,
THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER ELIMINATE ANY OTHER RELIGION,
THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER
RELIGIONS UNDER MUSLIM RULE. THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER
RELIGIONS UNDER MUSLIM RULE.
BUT UNTIL 60 YEARS AGO, RELIGIONS UNDER MUSLIM RULE.
BUT UNTIL 60 YEARS AGO,
ALEXANDRIA, IN MY COUNTRY, BUT UNTIL 60 YEARS AGO,
ALEXANDRIA, IN MY COUNTRY,
WAS A MAJORITY GREEK CITY. ALEXANDRIA, IN MY COUNTRY,
WAS A MAJORITY GREEK CITY.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED, THERE ARE WAS A MAJORITY GREEK CITY.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED, THERE ARE
SOME VERY MAJOR FUNDAMENTAL WHAT HAS HAPPENED, THERE ARE
SOME VERY MAJOR FUNDAMENTAL
MOVEMENTS THAT HAPPENED IN SOME VERY MAJOR FUNDAMENTAL
MOVEMENTS THAT HAPPENED IN
THE LAST CENTURY AND A HALF. MOVEMENTS THAT HAPPENED IN
THE LAST CENTURY AND A HALF.
THE IDEA OF A NATION STATE, THE LAST CENTURY AND A HALF.
THE IDEA OF A NATION STATE,
THE IDEA OF A NATION STATE THE IDEA OF A NATION STATE,
THE IDEA OF A NATION STATE
BASED UPON ISLAM, WHICH I THE IDEA OF A NATION STATE
BASED UPON ISLAM, WHICH I
MYSELF ARGUE ARE INCOHERENT BASED UPON ISLAM, WHICH I
MYSELF ARGUE ARE INCOHERENT
CONCEPTS. MYSELF ARGUE ARE INCOHERENT
CONCEPTS.
THESE THINGS HAVE DEVELOPED CONCEPTS.
THESE THINGS HAVE DEVELOPED
AS STRANDS OF — THESE THINGS HAVE DEVELOPED
AS STRANDS OF —
>>WHAT IS THE TRAVESTY, WHAT AS STRANDS OF —
>>WHAT IS THE TRAVESTY, WHAT
IS PREPROS REDUCE? >>WHAT IS THE TRAVESTY, WHAT
IS PREPROS REDUCE?
>>– PREPOSTEROUS. IS PREPROS REDUCE?
>>– PREPOSTEROUS.
>>MY READING OF HISTORY >>– PREPOSTEROUS.
>>MY READING OF HISTORY
STARTS 200 YEARS AGO. >>MY READING OF HISTORY
STARTS 200 YEARS AGO.
THAT IS ABSURD. STARTS 200 YEARS AGO.
THAT IS ABSURD.
>>LISTEN IT M — LISTEN TO THAT IS ABSURD.
>>LISTEN IT M — LISTEN TO
MAAJID. >>LISTEN IT M — LISTEN TO
MAAJID.
>>BECAUSE OF THE WORK I DO MAAJID.
>>BECAUSE OF THE WORK I DO
AND THE CAUSE I HAVE, I SEE >>BECAUSE OF THE WORK I DO
AND THE CAUSE I HAVE, I SEE
MYSELF BETWEEN THESE TWO AND THE CAUSE I HAVE, I SEE
MYSELF BETWEEN THESE TWO
POSITIONS, IN THAT EVERYTHING MYSELF BETWEEN THESE TWO
POSITIONS, IN THAT EVERYTHING
DESCRIBED AS WRONG WITH THE POSITIONS, IN THAT EVERYTHING
DESCRIBED AS WRONG WITH THE
MUSLIM COUNTRIES, I DISAGREE DESCRIBED AS WRONG WITH THE
MUSLIM COUNTRIES, I DISAGREE
WITH 100 PERCENT, THAT THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES, I DISAGREE
WITH 100 PERCENT, THAT THE
DISCOURSE IS CURRENTLY WITH 100 PERCENT, THAT THE
DISCOURSE IS CURRENTLY
DOMINATED BY THOSE WHO DON’T DISCOURSE IS CURRENTLY
DOMINATED BY THOSE WHO DON’T
SEE ISLAM THE WAY FEISAL DOES DOMINATED BY THOSE WHO DON’T
SEE ISLAM THE WAY FEISAL DOES
, OR THE WAY PEOPLE SEE ISLAM THE WAY FEISAL DOES
, OR THE WAY PEOPLE
INTERPRET IT FROM FACEBOOK. , OR THE WAY PEOPLE
INTERPRET IT FROM FACEBOOK.
IF WE LOOK AT MIDDLE EAST, INTERPRET IT FROM FACEBOOK.
IF WE LOOK AT MIDDLE EAST,
SOUTH ASIA, WHEREVER IF WE LOOK AT MIDDLE EAST,
SOUTH ASIA, WHEREVER
MANAGEORITY MUSLIM COUNTRIES SOUTH ASIA, WHEREVER
MANAGEORITY MUSLIM COUNTRIES
ARE, THERE ARE HUGE ISSUES MANAGEORITY MUSLIM COUNTRIES
ARE, THERE ARE HUGE ISSUES
AROUND THE TOPICS. ARE, THERE ARE HUGE ISSUES
AROUND THE TOPICS.
AS I SAID, WHETHER IT’S THE AROUND THE TOPICS.
AS I SAID, WHETHER IT’S THE
POLITCYZATION OF THE FAITH AS I SAID, WHETHER IT’S THE
POLITCYZATION OF THE FAITH
AND THE GROUPS THAT EMANATE POLITCYZATION OF THE FAITH
AND THE GROUPS THAT EMANATE
FROM THAT STRAND, POLITICAL AND THE GROUPS THAT EMANATE
FROM THAT STRAND, POLITICAL
FORMS OF GROUPS RELATED TO FROM THAT STRAND, POLITICAL
FORMS OF GROUPS RELATED TO
THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, FORMS OF GROUPS RELATED TO
THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD,
THROUGH TO THE REVOLUTIONARY THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD,
THROUGH TO THE REVOLUTIONARY
GROUPS, WHICH I BELONGED TO, THROUGH TO THE REVOLUTIONARY
GROUPS, WHICH I BELONGED TO,
ALL THE WAY TO THE VIOLENT GROUPS, WHICH I BELONGED TO,
ALL THE WAY TO THE VIOLENT
GROUPS, THE TERRORIST GROUPS, ALL THE WAY TO THE VIOLENT
GROUPS, THE TERRORIST GROUPS,
SUCH AS AL-QAEDA, THEY ALL GROUPS, THE TERRORIST GROUPS,
SUCH AS AL-QAEDA, THEY ALL
COME FROM THE STRAND OF SUCH AS AL-QAEDA, THEY ALL
COME FROM THE STRAND OF
ISLAMISM THAT IS DESCRIBED IN COME FROM THE STRAND OF
ISLAMISM THAT IS DESCRIBED IN
THE POLITIZATION OF ISLAM. ISLAMISM THAT IS DESCRIBED IN
THE POLITIZATION OF ISLAM.
THEN THERE ARE THE THE POLITIZATION OF ISLAM.
THEN THERE ARE THE
FUNDAMENTALS. THEN THERE ARE THE
FUNDAMENTALS.
THE GOVERNOR OF PUNJAB IN FUNDAMENTALS.
THE GOVERNOR OF PUNJAB IN
PAKISTAN WAS ASSASSINATED BY THE GOVERNOR OF PUNJAB IN
PAKISTAN WAS ASSASSINATED BY
HIS OWN BODYGUARD BECAUSE HE PAKISTAN WAS ASSASSINATED BY
HIS OWN BODYGUARD BECAUSE HE
ATTEMPT TO REFORM THE HIS OWN BODYGUARD BECAUSE HE
ATTEMPT TO REFORM THE
BLASPHEMY LAW IN THAT ATTEMPT TO REFORM THE
BLASPHEMY LAW IN THAT
COUNTRY. BLASPHEMY LAW IN THAT
COUNTRY.
THE SAD FACT IS THAT THE VERY COUNTRY.
THE SAD FACT IS THAT THE VERY
PEOPLE, THE VERY THAT HAVE THE SAD FACT IS THAT THE VERY
PEOPLE, THE VERY THAT HAVE
BEEN THE FEARSEST IN OPPOSING PEOPLE, THE VERY THAT HAVE
BEEN THE FEARSEST IN OPPOSING
— FIERCEST IN OPPOSING THE BEEN THE FEARSEST IN OPPOSING
— FIERCEST IN OPPOSING THE
STRAND IN PAKISTAN ALSO — FIERCEST IN OPPOSING THE
STRAND IN PAKISTAN ALSO
PRODUCED THE ASSASSIN OF STRAND IN PAKISTAN ALSO
PRODUCED THE ASSASSIN OF
PUNJAB BECAUSE THEY ARE ULTRA PRODUCED THE ASSASSIN OF
PUNJAB BECAUSE THEY ARE ULTRA
CONSERVATIVE AND THE ONE PUNJAB BECAUSE THEY ARE ULTRA
CONSERVATIVE AND THE ONE
THING THAT FUELS THEIR FIRE CONSERVATIVE AND THE ONE
THING THAT FUELS THEIR FIRE
AND ANGERS THEM IS THING THAT FUELS THEIR FIRE
AND ANGERS THEM IS
QUESTIONING THE BLASPHEMY AND ANGERS THEM IS
QUESTIONING THE BLASPHEMY
LAW. QUESTIONING THE BLASPHEMY
LAW.
THAT’S THE SECOND STRAND I LAW.
THAT’S THE SECOND STRAND I
ADDRESS, WHICH IS THE THAT’S THE SECOND STRAND I
ADDRESS, WHICH IS THE
FUNDAMENTALIST STRAND. ADDRESS, WHICH IS THE
FUNDAMENTALIST STRAND.
IN OUR OWN ANALYSIS OF WHAT FUNDAMENTALIST STRAND.
IN OUR OWN ANALYSIS OF WHAT
THE PROBLEM IS, I WOULD AGREE IN OUR OWN ANALYSIS OF WHAT
THE PROBLEM IS, I WOULD AGREE
WITH HER, BUT THEN WHEN AAYAN THE PROBLEM IS, I WOULD AGREE
WITH HER, BUT THEN WHEN AAYAN
GOES BACK AND SAYS THE CAUSE WITH HER, BUT THEN WHEN AAYAN
GOES BACK AND SAYS THE CAUSE
FOR THAT PROBLEM IS SOMEHOW GOES BACK AND SAYS THE CAUSE
FOR THAT PROBLEM IS SOMEHOW
TO BE FOUND ONLY IN THE FOR THAT PROBLEM IS SOMEHOW
TO BE FOUND ONLY IN THE
RELIGION OF ISLAM, TO BE FOUND ONLY IN THE
RELIGION OF ISLAM,
EXCLUSIVELY — RELIGION OF ISLAM,
EXCLUSIVELY —
>>NO, NO, NO. EXCLUSIVELY —
>>NO, NO, NO.
THE SUBJECT TONIGHT IS IS THE >>NO, NO, NO.
THE SUBJECT TONIGHT IS IS THE
RELIGION OF ISLAM ONE OF THE SUBJECT TONIGHT IS IS THE
RELIGION OF ISLAM ONE OF
PEACE OR ONE OF VIOLENCE. RELIGION OF ISLAM ONE OF
PEACE OR ONE OF VIOLENCE.
>>RIGHT. PEACE OR ONE OF VIOLENCE.
>>RIGHT.
>>SO THE FAITH IS — IT — >>RIGHT.
>>SO THE FAITH IS — IT —
IT IS NOT OTHER RELIGIONS. >>SO THE FAITH IS — IT —
IT IS NOT OTHER RELIGIONS.
I KNOW IT IS DIFFICULT TO IT IS NOT OTHER RELIGIONS.
I KNOW IT IS DIFFICULT TO
TALK ABOUT THE VIOLENCE, BUT I KNOW IT IS DIFFICULT TO
TALK ABOUT THE VIOLENCE, BUT
I DON’T THINK IT’S RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE VIOLENCE, BUT
I DON’T THINK IT’S RIGHT TO
CONTINUE TO — I DON’T THINK IT’S RIGHT TO
CONTINUE TO —
>>MAAJID — CONTINUE TO —
>>MAAJID —
>>LET HIM FINISH. >>MAAJID —
>>LET HIM FINISH.
>>WE MUST BE CONSISTENT. >>LET HIM FINISH.
>>WE MUST BE CONSISTENT.
EITHER THE PROBLEM IS >>WE MUST BE CONSISTENT.
EITHER THE PROBLEM IS
RELIGION, PER SE, OR IF WE EITHER THE PROBLEM IS
RELIGION, PER SE, OR IF WE
DON’T WANT TO SAY THAT, IF WE RELIGION, PER SE, OR IF WE
DON’T WANT TO SAY THAT, IF WE
DON’T WANT TO SAY THAT EVERY DON’T WANT TO SAY THAT, IF WE
DON’T WANT TO SAY THAT EVERY
SINGLE RELIGION — AND THERE DON’T WANT TO SAY THAT EVERY
SINGLE RELIGION — AND THERE
ARE PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT. SINGLE RELIGION — AND THERE
ARE PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT.
RICHARD DAWKINS IS ONE OF ARE PEOPLE THAT SAY THAT.
RICHARD DAWKINS IS ONE OF
THEM. RICHARD DAWKINS IS ONE OF
THEM.
HE IS AS CONSISTENT AGAINST THEM.
HE IS AS CONSISTENT AGAINST
CHRISTIANITY AS ISLAM, AND HE IS AS CONSISTENT AGAINST
CHRISTIANITY AS ISLAM, AND
ALL FAITHS. CHRISTIANITY AS ISLAM, AND
ALL FAITHS.
WE SAY OKAY, THE PROBLEM ALL FAITHS.
WE SAY OKAY, THE PROBLEM
ISN’T RELIGION, PER SE, THEN WE SAY OKAY, THE PROBLEM
ISN’T RELIGION, PER SE, THEN
IT MUST BE ABOUT THE WAY THAT ISN’T RELIGION, PER SE, THEN
IT MUST BE ABOUT THE WAY THAT
RELIGION IS INTERPRETED, AND IT MUST BE ABOUT THE WAY THAT
RELIGION IS INTERPRETED, AND
IF THAT’S THE POINT, THEN I RELIGION IS INTERPRETED, AND
IF THAT’S THE POINT, THEN I
DISAGREE WITH AAYAN THAT IF THAT’S THE POINT, THEN I
DISAGREE WITH AAYAN THAT
TODAY, TODAY, THERE ARE DISAGREE WITH AAYAN THAT
TODAY, TODAY, THERE ARE
SERIOUS CHALLENGES WITH THE TODAY, TODAY, THERE ARE
SERIOUS CHALLENGES WITH THE
WAY ISLAM IS INTERPRETED. SERIOUS CHALLENGES WITH THE
WAY ISLAM IS INTERPRETED.
I WISH MUSLIMS WERE DOING WAY ISLAM IS INTERPRETED.
I WISH MUSLIMS WERE DOING
MORE TO CHALLENGE THOSE I WISH MUSLIMS WERE DOING
MORE TO CHALLENGE THOSE
INTERPRETATIONS, BUT IN THE MORE TO CHALLENGE THOSE
INTERPRETATIONS, BUT IN THE
POLITICAL SENSE, BUT ALSO, IN INTERPRETATIONS, BUT IN THE
POLITICAL SENSE, BUT ALSO, IN
THE SOCIAL SENSE. POLITICAL SENSE, BUT ALSO, IN
THE SOCIAL SENSE.
WE NEED TO HEAR MORE VOICES THE SOCIAL SENSE.
WE NEED TO HEAR MORE VOICES
SPEAK OUT. WE NEED TO HEAR MORE VOICES
SPEAK OUT.
THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY SPEAK OUT.
THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY
THEY DON’T. THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY
THEY DON’T.
>>WHAT ARE THE REASONS? THEY DON’T.
>>WHAT ARE THE REASONS?
>>WELL, TWO OF US ON THIS >>WHAT ARE THE REASONS?
>>WELL, TWO OF US ON THIS
STAGE, I DON’T KNOW ABOUT >>WELL, TWO OF US ON THIS
STAGE, I DON’T KNOW ABOUT
IMAM, FORGIVE ME, BUT I HOPE STAGE, I DON’T KNOW ABOUT
IMAM, FORGIVE ME, BUT I HOPE
I’M MISTAKEN, BUT AAYAN BOTH IMAM, FORGIVE ME, BUT I HOPE
I’M MISTAKEN, BUT AAYAN BOTH
HAVE DEATH THREATS ON OUR I’M MISTAKEN, BUT AAYAN BOTH
HAVE DEATH THREATS ON OUR
LIVES AND THE REASON FOR HAVE DEATH THREATS ON OUR
LIVES AND THE REASON FOR
THAT, LAST MONTH, AFTER THE LIVES AND THE REASON FOR
THAT, LAST MONTH, AFTER THE
KENYA MALL ATTACK — THAT, LAST MONTH, AFTER THE
KENYA MALL ATTACK —
>>WE KNOW IT’S A FACT THAT KENYA MALL ATTACK —
>>WE KNOW IT’S A FACT THAT
YOU ARE BOTH UNDER DEATH >>WE KNOW IT’S A FACT THAT
YOU ARE BOTH UNDER DEATH
THREATS FOR SPEAKING THE WAY YOU ARE BOTH UNDER DEATH
THREATS FOR SPEAKING THE WAY
YOU’RE SPEAKING THAT RAISES THREATS FOR SPEAKING THE WAY
YOU’RE SPEAKING THAT RAISES
THE SPECTER OF THE NOTION OF YOU’RE SPEAKING THAT RAISES
THE SPECTER OF THE NOTION OF
ISLAM AS A RELIGION OF THE SPECTER OF THE NOTION OF
ISLAM AS A RELIGION OF
VIOLENCE, IT’S A VERY BAD ISLAM AS A RELIGION OF
VIOLENCE, IT’S A VERY BAD
HEADLINE. VIOLENCE, IT’S A VERY BAD
HEADLINE.
>>WELL, THAT’S A POINT, BUT HEADLINE.
>>WELL, THAT’S A POINT, BUT
OF COURSE — >>WELL, THAT’S A POINT, BUT
OF COURSE —
>>THAT’S REALLY WHY WE’RE OF COURSE —
>>THAT’S REALLY WHY WE’RE
HERE, TO HEAR WHY THAT’S NOT >>THAT’S REALLY WHY WE’RE
HERE, TO HEAR WHY THAT’S NOT
TRUE. HERE, TO HEAR WHY THAT’S NOT
TRUE.
>>THAT’S A POINT THAT WOULD TRUE.
>>THAT’S A POINT THAT WOULD
RESONATE. >>THAT’S A POINT THAT WOULD
RESONATE.
LET’S REMEMBER ONE THING. RESONATE.
LET’S REMEMBER ONE THING.
IT TAKES ONE PERSON AND THEIR LET’S REMEMBER ONE THING.
IT TAKES ONE PERSON AND THEIR
DOG TO ISSUE A DEATH THREAT, IT TAKES ONE PERSON AND THEIR
DOG TO ISSUE A DEATH THREAT,
FRANKLY. DOG TO ISSUE A DEATH THREAT,
FRANKLY.
THE IT DOESN’T MEAN THE FRANKLY.
THE IT DOESN’T MEAN THE
MAJORITY WANT TO SHOOT US. THE IT DOESN’T MEAN THE
MAJORITY WANT TO SHOOT US.
IT MEANS THERE ARE GROUPS MAJORITY WANT TO SHOOT US.
IT MEANS THERE ARE GROUPS
OUT. IT MEANS THERE ARE GROUPS
OUT.
>>I TAKE THAT POINT OUT.
>>I TAKE THAT POINT
COMPLETELY. >>I TAKE THAT POINT
COMPLETELY.
THIS IS THE THING I KEEP COMPLETELY.
THIS IS THE THING I KEEP
ASKING MYSELF. THIS IS THE THING I KEEP
ASKING MYSELF.
IF YOU ALL AGREE, YOU ALL ASKING MYSELF.
IF YOU ALL AGREE, YOU ALL
WILL STIPULATE THE MAJORITY IF YOU ALL AGREE, YOU ALL
WILL STIPULATE THE MAJORITY
OF MUSLIMS ARE NOT INVOLVED WILL STIPULATE THE MAJORITY
OF MUSLIMS ARE NOT INVOLVED
IN VIOLENCE OR INTERESTED IN OF MUSLIMS ARE NOT INVOLVED
IN VIOLENCE OR INTERESTED IN
BEING INVOLVED IN VIOLENCE, IN VIOLENCE OR INTERESTED IN
BEING INVOLVED IN VIOLENCE,
AND IF THE BEHAVIORS OF THE BEING INVOLVED IN VIOLENCE,
AND IF THE BEHAVIORS OF THE
PEOPLE OF A PARTICULAR FAITH AND IF THE BEHAVIORS OF THE
PEOPLE OF A PARTICULAR FAITH
IN MY MIND WOULD DEFINE THAT PEOPLE OF A PARTICULAR FAITH
IN MY MIND WOULD DEFINE THAT
FAITH, THEN WHY DOES THAT NOT IN MY MIND WOULD DEFINE THAT
FAITH, THEN WHY DOES THAT NOT
TELL US BY THE VIRTUE OF THE FAITH, THEN WHY DOES THAT NOT
TELL US BY THE VIRTUE OF THE
FACT THAT MOST MUSLIMS DO NOT TELL US BY THE VIRTUE OF THE
FACT THAT MOST MUSLIMS DO NOT
WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN FACT THAT MOST MUSLIMS DO NOT
WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN
VIOLENCE THAT IT IS NOT A WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN
VIOLENCE THAT IT IS NOT A
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE? VIOLENCE THAT IT IS NOT A
RELIGION OF VIOLENCE?
YOU WALK LIKE A DUCK AND TALK RELIGION OF VIOLENCE?
YOU WALK LIKE A DUCK AND TALK
LIKE A DUCK. YOU WALK LIKE A DUCK AND TALK
LIKE A DUCK.
>>YOU WALK LIKE IT, YES. LIKE A DUCK.
>>YOU WALK LIKE IT, YES.
>>THE VIOLENT ONES ARE THE >>YOU WALK LIKE IT, YES.
>>THE VIOLENT ONES ARE THE
ONES THAT GET THE NEWS >>THE VIOLENT ONES ARE THE
ONES THAT GET THE NEWS
HEADLINES. ONES THAT GET THE NEWS
HEADLINES.
>>RIGHT. HEADLINES.
>>RIGHT.
>>I DON’T GET — YOU DON’T >>RIGHT.
>>I DON’T GET — YOU DON’T
GET ATTENTION BECAUSE OF >>I DON’T GET — YOU DON’T
GET ATTENTION BECAUSE OF
BEING MODERATE OR PROMOTING GET ATTENTION BECAUSE OF
BEING MODERATE OR PROMOTING
PEACE. BEING MODERATE OR PROMOTING
PEACE.
YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE PEACE.
YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE
ATTENTION WHEN YOU COMMIT YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE
ATTENTION WHEN YOU COMMIT
ACTS OF VIOLENCE. ATTENTION WHEN YOU COMMIT
ACTS OF VIOLENCE.
>>WELL, ISAAC RABIN WAS SHOT ACTS OF VIOLENCE.
>>WELL, ISAAC RABIN WAS SHOT
BY A FANATIC JEWISH EXTREMIST >>WELL, ISAAC RABIN WAS SHOT
BY A FANATIC JEWISH EXTREMIST
AND NOBODY LEAPS FROM THAT BY A FANATIC JEWISH EXTREMIST
AND NOBODY LEAPS FROM THAT
THINKING THAT JUDAISM IS AN AND NOBODY LEAPS FROM THAT
THINKING THAT JUDAISM IS AN
EXTREMELY VIOLENT RELIGION, THINKING THAT JUDAISM IS AN
EXTREMELY VIOLENT RELIGION,
EVEN THOUGH THAT YOUNG MAN EXTREMELY VIOLENT RELIGION,
EVEN THOUGH THAT YOUNG MAN
BROUGHT — ESSENTIALLY BRINGS EVEN THOUGH THAT YOUNG MAN
BROUGHT — ESSENTIALLY BRINGS
THE TEXT TO HIS ACTIONS. BROUGHT — ESSENTIALLY BRINGS
THE TEXT TO HIS ACTIONS.
YET, THAT LEAP IS OFTEN MADE THE TEXT TO HIS ACTIONS.
YET, THAT LEAP IS OFTEN MADE
AND I’M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YET, THAT LEAP IS OFTEN MADE
AND I’M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND
THAT. AND I’M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND
THAT.
>>I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE THAT.
>>I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE
CAN’T — >>I WANT TO POINT OUT, WE
CAN’T —
>>I ACTUALLY WANT TO PUT THE CAN’T —
>>I ACTUALLY WANT TO PUT THE
QUESTION TO IMAM FEISAL AND >>I ACTUALLY WANT TO PUT THE
QUESTION TO IMAM FEISAL AND
THEN I’LL COME TO YOU. QUESTION TO IMAM FEISAL AND
THEN I’LL COME TO YOU.
>>THAT LINK IS NOT MADE THEN I’LL COME TO YOU.
>>THAT LINK IS NOT MADE
BECAUSE AS CHRISTIANS AND >>THAT LINK IS NOT MADE
BECAUSE AS CHRISTIANS AND
JEWS, YOU GET IT. BECAUSE AS CHRISTIANS AND
JEWS, YOU GET IT.
YOU UNDERSTAND THE POLITICAL JEWS, YOU GET IT.
YOU UNDERSTAND THE POLITICAL
MOTIVATION BEHIND IT. YOU UNDERSTAND THE POLITICAL
MOTIVATION BEHIND IT.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS MOTIVATION BEHIND IT.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS
DID NOT MAKE THAT LINK, THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS
DID NOT MAKE THAT LINK,
EITHER. DID NOT MAKE THAT LINK,
EITHER.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS EITHER.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS
SEE THESE THINGS AS NOT THE VAST MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS
SEE THESE THINGS AS NOT
INTERPRETING THE LIG OF ISLAM SEE THESE THINGS AS NOT
INTERPRETING THE LIG OF ISLAM
OR SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF INTERPRETING THE LIG OF ISLAM
OR SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF
ISLAM, LIKE THE MAJORITY OF OR SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF
ISLAM, LIKE THE MAJORITY OF
JEWS WOULD NOT CONSIDER THE ISLAM, LIKE THE MAJORITY OF
JEWS WOULD NOT CONSIDER THE
ASSASSIN OF ISAAC RABIN AS JEWS WOULD NOT CONSIDER THE
ASSASSIN OF ISAAC RABIN AS
EXPRESSING THE JEWISH FAITH. ASSASSIN OF ISAAC RABIN AS
EXPRESSING THE JEWISH FAITH.
THIS IS VERY MUCH THE CASE EXPRESSING THE JEWISH FAITH.
THIS IS VERY MUCH THE CASE
WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE THIS IS VERY MUCH THE CASE
WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE
MUSLIM WORLD. WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE
MUSLIM WORLD.
>>SO IT’S — WHAT YOU ARE MUSLIM WORLD.
>>SO IT’S — WHAT YOU ARE
REALLY SAYING IS IT’S OUR — >>SO IT’S — WHAT YOU ARE
REALLY SAYING IS IT’S OUR —
I’M TALKING COLLECTIVELY — REALLY SAYING IS IT’S OUR —
I’M TALKING COLLECTIVELY —
OUR CULTURE HERE, IT’S POWER I’M TALKING COLLECTIVELY —
OUR CULTURE HERE, IT’S POWER
IN NOT KNOWING ENOUGH ABOUT OUR CULTURE HERE, IT’S POWER
IN NOT KNOWING ENOUGH ABOUT
ISLAM OR MUSLIMS. IN NOT KNOWING ENOUGH ABOUT
ISLAM OR MUSLIMS.
>>IT’S ABOUT THE WAY ISLAM OR MUSLIMS.
>>IT’S ABOUT THE WAY
PERCEPTIONS ARE SHAPED. >>IT’S ABOUT THE WAY
PERCEPTIONS ARE SHAPED.
PERCEPTIONS ARE SHAPED BY PERCEPTIONS ARE SHAPED.
PERCEPTIONS ARE SHAPED BY
EVENTS. PERCEPTIONS ARE SHAPED BY
EVENTS.
VERY MUCH. EVENTS.
VERY MUCH.
FOR MOST PEOPLE. VERY MUCH.
FOR MOST PEOPLE.
JUST LIKE WHEN I’M IN MUSLIM FOR MOST PEOPLE.
JUST LIKE WHEN I’M IN MUSLIM
COUNTRIES, THEY SAY WHY IS JUST LIKE WHEN I’M IN MUSLIM
COUNTRIES, THEY SAY WHY IS
AMERICA ATTACKING ISLAM. COUNTRIES, THEY SAY WHY IS
AMERICA ATTACKING ISLAM.
THEY VIEW THAT. AMERICA ATTACKING ISLAM.
THEY VIEW THAT.
WHY? THEY VIEW THAT.
WHY?
BECAUSE WHEN SOME MAJOR IN WHY?
BECAUSE WHEN SOME MAJOR IN
THE MILITARY SAYS THERE IS A BECAUSE WHEN SOME MAJOR IN
THE MILITARY SAYS THERE IS A
CRUSADE AGAINST ISLAM, THAT THE MILITARY SAYS THERE IS A
CRUSADE AGAINST ISLAM, THAT
GETS A HEADLINE IN THE MUSLIM CRUSADE AGAINST ISLAM, THAT
GETS A HEADLINE IN THE MUSLIM
WORLD, SO THAT SHAPES GETS A HEADLINE IN THE MUSLIM
WORLD, SO THAT SHAPES
PERCEPTION. WORLD, SO THAT SHAPES
PERCEPTION.
>>IS IT THE VIEW IN THE PERCEPTION.
>>IS IT THE VIEW IN THE
MUSLIM WORLD THAT THIS >>IS IT THE VIEW IN THE
MUSLIM WORLD THAT THIS
COUNTRY, OUR COUNTRY, IS MUSLIM WORLD THAT THIS
COUNTRY, OUR COUNTRY, IS
DEDICATED TO DESTROYING COUNTRY, OUR COUNTRY, IS
DEDICATED TO DESTROYING
ISLAM? DEDICATED TO DESTROYING
ISLAM?
>>THERE ARE LARGE NUMBERS OF ISLAM?
>>THERE ARE LARGE NUMBERS OF
PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WAY, >>THERE ARE LARGE NUMBERS OF
PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WAY,
BASED UPON THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT WAY,
BASED UPON THESE TYPES OF
HEADLINES. BASED UPON THESE TYPES OF
HEADLINES.
THIS IS WHY I SAID THAT THE HEADLINES.
THIS IS WHY I SAID THAT THE
CYCLE OF EXTREMIST ACTIONS THIS IS WHY I SAID THAT THE
CYCLE OF EXTREMIST ACTIONS
AND EXTREMIST STATEMENTS GET CYCLE OF EXTREMIST ACTIONS
AND EXTREMIST STATEMENTS GET
THE BANNER HEADLINES IN EACH AND EXTREMIST STATEMENTS GET
THE BANNER HEADLINES IN EACH
COUNTRY. THE BANNER HEADLINES IN EACH
COUNTRY.
SO WHEN AN AYATOLLAH IN IRAN, COUNTRY.
SO WHEN AN AYATOLLAH IN IRAN,
SAYS DEATH TO AMERICA, THIS SO WHEN AN AYATOLLAH IN IRAN,
SAYS DEATH TO AMERICA, THIS
SCARES AMERICANS, AND SAYS DEATH TO AMERICA, THIS
SCARES AMERICANS, AND
AMERICANS GET THIS IMAGE THAT SCARES AMERICANS, AND
AMERICANS GET THIS IMAGE THAT
THE IRANIANS ARE OUT TO AMERICANS GET THIS IMAGE THAT
THE IRANIANS ARE OUT TO
DESTROY, AND ISLAM IS ABOUT THE IRANIANS ARE OUT TO
DESTROY, AND ISLAM IS ABOUT
DESTROYING AMERICA. DESTROY, AND ISLAM IS ABOUT
DESTROYING AMERICA.
THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DESTROYING AMERICA.
THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A
MILITARY GENERAL WHO SAYS THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A
MILITARY GENERAL WHO SAYS
THIS, THEN SOMEBODY COMMITS MILITARY GENERAL WHO SAYS
THIS, THEN SOMEBODY COMMITS
AN ACT OF VIOLENCE. THIS, THEN SOMEBODY COMMITS
AN ACT OF VIOLENCE.
THAT GETS THE HEADLINES OVER AN ACT OF VIOLENCE.
THAT GETS THE HEADLINES OVER
HERE. THAT GETS THE HEADLINES OVER
HERE.
THEN YOU HAVE A PASTOR WHO HERE.
THEN YOU HAVE A PASTOR WHO
HAS ONLY 30 PEOPLE IN FLORIDA THEN YOU HAVE A PASTOR WHO
HAS ONLY 30 PEOPLE IN FLORIDA
SAYING BURN THE CURAN AND IT HAS ONLY 30 PEOPLE IN FLORIDA
SAYING BURN THE CURAN AND IT
RESULTS IN ACTS OF VIOLENCE. SAYING BURN THE CURAN AND IT
RESULTS IN ACTS OF VIOLENCE.
SO THE MEDIA, GRABBING THESE RESULTS IN ACTS OF VIOLENCE.
SO THE MEDIA, GRABBING THESE
EXTREMIST EVENTS, HELPS SO THE MEDIA, GRABBING THESE
EXTREMIST EVENTS, HELPS
SHAPES PERCEPTIONS AND CREATE EXTREMIST EVENTS, HELPS
SHAPES PERCEPTIONS AND CREATE
THIS SENSE OF RESRULGS THAT SHAPES PERCEPTIONS AND CREATE
THIS SENSE OF RESRULGS THAT
PEOPLE HAVE, AND THE THIS SENSE OF RESRULGS THAT
PEOPLE HAVE, AND THE
TENDENCY, THEN, TO JUST WHITE PEOPLE HAVE, AND THE
TENDENCY, THEN, TO JUST WHITE
WASH. TENDENCY, THEN, TO JUST WHITE
WASH.
AND TO SAY, WELL, AMERICA IS WASH.
AND TO SAY, WELL, AMERICA IS
AGAINST US OR THE WEST IS AND TO SAY, WELL, AMERICA IS
AGAINST US OR THE WEST IS
AGAINST US. AGAINST US OR THE WEST IS
AGAINST US.
>>YOU’VE BEEN VERY PATIENT. AGAINST US.
>>YOU’VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.
GO AHEAD. >>YOU’VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.
GO AHEAD.
>>I’VE BEEN VERY PATIENT. GO AHEAD.
>>I’VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.
THANK YOU. >>I’VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.
THANK YOU.
>>SO IS IT THE PACKAGING? THANK YOU.
>>SO IS IT THE PACKAGING?
THE MARKETING? >>SO IS IT THE PACKAGING?
THE MARKETING?
OR IS IT THE SUBSTANCE? THE MARKETING?
OR IS IT THE SUBSTANCE?
>>IN AMERICA, IN THE OR IS IT THE SUBSTANCE?
>>IN AMERICA, IN THE
AMERICAN WORLD, THERE ARE >>IN AMERICA, IN THE
AMERICAN WORLD, THERE ARE
CONTINUOUS DEBATES ABOUT THE AMERICAN WORLD, THERE ARE
CONTINUOUS DEBATES ABOUT THE
PLACE OF MUSLIMS. CONTINUOUS DEBATES ABOUT THE
PLACE OF MUSLIMS.
ANDOUS, AMONGST MUSLIMS IN PLACE OF MUSLIMS.
ANDOUS, AMONGST MUSLIMS IN
THE WEST AND AMONGST MUSLIMS ANDOUS, AMONGST MUSLIMS IN
THE WEST AND AMONGST MUSLIMS
OUTSIDE OF THE WEST, THERE IS THE WEST AND AMONGST MUSLIMS
OUTSIDE OF THE WEST, THERE IS
THIS GENERAL BELIEF THAT OUTSIDE OF THE WEST, THERE IS
THIS GENERAL BELIEF THAT
ISLAM IS UNDER SEIGE AND THAT THIS GENERAL BELIEF THAT
ISLAM IS UNDER SEIGE AND THAT
AMERICANS WANT TO DESTROY ISLAM IS UNDER SEIGE AND THAT
AMERICANS WANT TO DESTROY
ISLAM. AMERICANS WANT TO DESTROY
ISLAM.
THAT IS PERCEPTION, BECAUSE ISLAM.
THAT IS PERCEPTION, BECAUSE
IT’S NOT SUPPORTED BY FACTS. THAT IS PERCEPTION, BECAUSE
IT’S NOT SUPPORTED BY FACTS.
NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ISLAM, IT’S NOT SUPPORTED BY FACTS.
NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ISLAM,
LOOK AT ISLAMIC COUNTRIES NOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT ISLAM,
LOOK AT ISLAMIC COUNTRIES
LIKE PAKISTAN, THEY HAVE LOOK AT ISLAMIC COUNTRIES
LIKE PAKISTAN, THEY HAVE
BLASPHEMY LAWS, THE LIKE PAKISTAN, THEY HAVE
BLASPHEMY LAWS, THE
CONSTITUTION OF PAKISTAN IS BLASPHEMY LAWS, THE
CONSTITUTION OF PAKISTAN IS
DERIVED FROM THE CURAN OR THE CONSTITUTION OF PAKISTAN IS
DERIVED FROM THE CURAN OR THE
HADITH. DERIVED FROM THE CURAN OR THE
HADITH.
THE CONSTITUTION OF IRAN IS HADITH.
THE CONSTITUTION OF IRAN IS
ISLAMIC. THE CONSTITUTION OF IRAN IS
ISLAMIC.
THE CONSTITUTION OF SAUDI ISLAMIC.
THE CONSTITUTION OF SAUDI
ARABIA IS THE CURAN. THE CONSTITUTION OF SAUDI
ARABIA IS THE CURAN.
YOU LOOK AT MUSLIMS LIKE THE ARABIA IS THE CURAN.
YOU LOOK AT MUSLIMS LIKE THE
MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND YOU LOOK AT MUSLIMS LIKE THE
MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND
ISLAMISTS IN THE COUNTRIES MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND
ISLAMISTS IN THE COUNTRIES
THAT HAVE SPRUNG UP AFTER THE ISLAMISTS IN THE COUNTRIES
THAT HAVE SPRUNG UP AFTER THE
ARAB SPRING, AND THESE THAT HAVE SPRUNG UP AFTER THE
ARAB SPRING, AND THESE
MOVEMENTS WANT TO ORGANIZE ARAB SPRING, AND THESE
MOVEMENTS WANT TO ORGANIZE
SOCIETY ALONG RELIGIOUS MOVEMENTS WANT TO ORGANIZE
SOCIETY ALONG RELIGIOUS
LINES. SOCIETY ALONG RELIGIOUS
LINES.
THIS CONFLATION BETWEEN LINES.
THIS CONFLATION BETWEEN
POLITICS AND RELIGION, THIS THIS CONFLATION BETWEEN
POLITICS AND RELIGION, THIS
IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I’M POLITICS AND RELIGION, THIS
IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I’M
IMAGINING. IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I’M
IMAGINING.
IT’S NOT A PACKAGING PROBLEM. IMAGINING.
IT’S NOT A PACKAGING PROBLEM.
IT’S SUBSTANTIAL. IT’S NOT A PACKAGING PROBLEM.
IT’S SUBSTANTIAL.
WHEN YOU GIVE THE EXAMPLE OF IT’S SUBSTANTIAL.
WHEN YOU GIVE THE EXAMPLE OF
THE MURDERER OF ISAAC RABIN, WHEN YOU GIVE THE EXAMPLE OF
THE MURDERER OF ISAAC RABIN,
HE IS THE FRINGE. THE MURDERER OF ISAAC RABIN,
HE IS THE FRINGE.
THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS NOT — HE IS THE FRINGE.
THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS NOT —
>>AND HE IS IN JAIL. THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS NOT —
>>AND HE IS IN JAIL.
>>AND HE IS IN JAIL. >>AND HE IS IN JAIL.
>>AND HE IS IN JAIL.
THE CHRISTIAN EXTREMISTS HERE >>AND HE IS IN JAIL.
THE CHRISTIAN EXTREMISTS HERE
IN THE UNITED STATES WHO TAKE THE CHRISTIAN EXTREMISTS HERE
IN THE UNITED STATES WHO TAKE
THE BIBLE AND THEN USE IT TO IN THE UNITED STATES WHO TAKE
THE BIBLE AND THEN USE IT TO
KILL PEOPLE AND HURT PEOPLE, THE BIBLE AND THEN USE IT TO
KILL PEOPLE AND HURT PEOPLE,
THEY ARE THE FRINGE. KILL PEOPLE AND HURT PEOPLE,
THEY ARE THE FRINGE.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE THEY ARE THE FRINGE.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE
ARE SEEING IN MUSLIM BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE
ARE SEEING IN MUSLIM
COUNTRIES IS THAT THE PEOPLE ARE SEEING IN MUSLIM
COUNTRIES IS THAT THE PEOPLE
WHO FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD BE COUNTRIES IS THAT THE PEOPLE
WHO FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD BE
GOVERNED UNDER THE SHARIA LAW WHO FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD BE
GOVERNED UNDER THE SHARIA LAW
ARE NOT THE FRINGE. GOVERNED UNDER THE SHARIA LAW
ARE NOT THE FRINGE.
IN SOME COUNTRIES, THEY ARE ARE NOT THE FRINGE.
IN SOME COUNTRIES, THEY ARE
MAINSTREAM. IN SOME COUNTRIES, THEY ARE
MAINSTREAM.
IN SOME CUBS — COUNTRIES, MAINSTREAM.
IN SOME CUBS — COUNTRIES,
THEY ARE A MINORITY. IN SOME CUBS — COUNTRIES,
THEY ARE A MINORITY.
BUT IN ANY CASE, IT’S A HUGE THEY ARE A MINORITY.
BUT IN ANY CASE, IT’S A HUGE
OBSTACLE THAT CANNOT BE BUT IN ANY CASE, IT’S A HUGE
OBSTACLE THAT CANNOT BE
IGNORED, AND ISLAM CAN BECOME OBSTACLE THAT CANNOT BE
IGNORED, AND ISLAM CAN BECOME
A RELIGION OF PEACE IF IGNORED, AND ISLAM CAN BECOME
A RELIGION OF PEACE IF
POLITICS IS DIVORCED FROM A RELIGION OF PEACE IF
POLITICS IS DIVORCED FROM
RELIGION. POLITICS IS DIVORCED FROM
RELIGION.
IF SCIENCE IS DIVORCED FROM RELIGION.
IF SCIENCE IS DIVORCED FROM
RELIGION. IF SCIENCE IS DIVORCED FROM
RELIGION.
>>[APPLAUSE] RELIGION.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>FOR THAT, WE NEED ARE >>[APPLAUSE]
>>FOR THAT, WE NEED ARE
REFORMATION. >>FOR THAT, WE NEED ARE
REFORMATION.
>>ONE THING THAT I AGREE REFORMATION.
>>ONE THING THAT I AGREE
WITH, WITH THE CONCLUSION, >>ONE THING THAT I AGREE
WITH, WITH THE CONCLUSION,
SORT OF THE UNDERSTANDING OF WITH, WITH THE CONCLUSION,
SORT OF THE UNDERSTANDING OF
THE SITUATION, BUT HERE’S MY SORT OF THE UNDERSTANDING OF
THE SITUATION, BUT HERE’S MY
ISSUE. THE SITUATION, BUT HERE’S MY
ISSUE.
APART FROM THE FACTUAL ISSUE.
APART FROM THE FACTUAL
INACCURACIES, JUST AS A POINT APART FROM THE FACTUAL
INACCURACIES, JUST AS A POINT
OF FACT, THE BLASPHEMY LAW IN INACCURACIES, JUST AS A POINT
OF FACT, THE BLASPHEMY LAW IN
PAKISTAN, IS THE BRITISH OF FACT, THE BLASPHEMY LAW IN
PAKISTAN, IS THE BRITISH
INSTITUTED COLONIAL ERA PAKISTAN, IS THE BRITISH
INSTITUTED COLONIAL ERA
LEGACY UNDER THE BRITISH RAJ. INSTITUTED COLONIAL ERA
LEGACY UNDER THE BRITISH RAJ.
THAT’S NOT TO SAY THAT ONE LEGACY UNDER THE BRITISH RAJ.
THAT’S NOT TO SAY THAT ONE
CAN’T FIND SUPPORT FOR IT THAT’S NOT TO SAY THAT ONE
CAN’T FIND SUPPORT FOR IT
WITHIN ISLAMIC TEST TEXT. CAN’T FIND SUPPORT FOR IT
WITHIN ISLAMIC TEST TEXT.
THAT’S A CORRECTION OF POINT WITHIN ISLAMIC TEST TEXT.
THAT’S A CORRECTION OF POINT
OF FACT. THAT’S A CORRECTION OF POINT
OF FACT.
BUT I DO ACCEPT THAT THERE OF FACT.
BUT I DO ACCEPT THAT THERE
ARE ISLAMISTS OUT THERE THAT BUT I DO ACCEPT THAT THERE
ARE ISLAMISTS OUT THERE THAT
FIND SUPPORT FOR IT WITHIN ARE ISLAMISTS OUT THERE THAT
FIND SUPPORT FOR IT WITHIN
THE ISLAMIC TEXT. FIND SUPPORT FOR IT WITHIN
THE ISLAMIC TEXT.
BUT IT’S IMPORTANT TO MENTION THE ISLAMIC TEXT.
BUT IT’S IMPORTANT TO MENTION
THIS POINT ONLY BECAUSE IT BUT IT’S IMPORTANT TO MENTION
THIS POINT ONLY BECAUSE IT
TOUCHES ON WHAT IMAM FEISAL THIS POINT ONLY BECAUSE IT
TOUCHES ON WHAT IMAM FEISAL
SAID WHICH IS THE MIXTURE OF TOUCHES ON WHAT IMAM FEISAL
SAID WHICH IS THE MIXTURE OF
COLONIAL LEGACY AND ISLAMISM SAID WHICH IS THE MIXTURE OF
COLONIAL LEGACY AND ISLAMISM
IN THIS CONCOCTION, IS PART COLONIAL LEGACY AND ISLAMISM
IN THIS CONCOCTION, IS PART
OF THE PROBLEM WE’RE DEALING IN THIS CONCOCTION, IS PART
OF THE PROBLEM WE’RE DEALING
WITH. OF THE PROBLEM WE’RE DEALING
WITH.
HOWEVER, ON THE SECOND POINT, WITH.
HOWEVER, ON THE SECOND POINT,
GOING FORWARD, IF WE ARE ABLE HOWEVER, ON THE SECOND POINT,
GOING FORWARD, IF WE ARE ABLE
TO RECOGNIZE THAT ISLAM CAN GOING FORWARD, IF WE ARE ABLE
TO RECOGNIZE THAT ISLAM CAN
BECOME A RELIGION OF PEACE, TO RECOGNIZE THAT ISLAM CAN
BECOME A RELIGION OF PEACE,
IF IT HAS A REFORMATION, THEN BECOME A RELIGION OF PEACE,
IF IT HAS A REFORMATION, THEN
IT STRIKES ME THAT IF IT HAS A REFORMATION, THEN
IT STRIKES ME THAT
ESSENTIALLY — WHICH I AGREE IT STRIKES ME THAT
ESSENTIALLY — WHICH I AGREE
WITH AS WELL — THAT ESSENTIALLY — WHICH I AGREE
WITH AS WELL — THAT
ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT MEANS WITH AS WELL — THAT
ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT MEANS
THEN IS ISLAM ISN’T ACTUALLY ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT MEANS
THEN IS ISLAM ISN’T ACTUALLY
A RELIGION OF ANYTHING, THEN IS ISLAM ISN’T ACTUALLY
A RELIGION OF ANYTHING,
WHETHER WAR OR PEACE. A RELIGION OF ANYTHING,
WHETHER WAR OR PEACE.
IT’S A RELIGION. WHETHER WAR OR PEACE.
IT’S A RELIGION.
IF IT CAN HAVE A REFORMATION, IT’S A RELIGION.
IF IT CAN HAVE A REFORMATION,
BECOME A RELIGION OF PEACE, IF IT CAN HAVE A REFORMATION,
BECOME A RELIGION OF PEACE,
IT MEANS IT’S OPEN TO BECOME A RELIGION OF PEACE,
IT MEANS IT’S OPEN TO
INTERPRETATION AND THE ONLY IT MEANS IT’S OPEN TO
INTERPRETATION AND THE ONLY
PROBLEM WE’RE DEALING WITH IS INTERPRETATION AND THE ONLY
PROBLEM WE’RE DEALING WITH IS
MODERN MUSLIMS ARE PROBLEM WE’RE DEALING WITH IS
MODERN MUSLIMS ARE
INTERPRETING IN THAT WAY, MODERN MUSLIMS ARE
INTERPRETING IN THAT WAY,
WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT I’M INTERPRETING IN THAT WAY,
WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT I’M
TRYING TO SAY, TODAY A. LOT WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT I’M
TRYING TO SAY, TODAY A. LOT
OF ACTIVE MUSLIMS DOMINATING TRYING TO SAY, TODAY A. LOT
OF ACTIVE MUSLIMS DOMINATING
THE DISCOURSE IN THE MIDDLE OF ACTIVE MUSLIMS DOMINATING
THE DISCOURSE IN THE MIDDLE
EAST ARE INTERPRETING A WAY THE DISCOURSE IN THE MIDDLE
EAST ARE INTERPRETING A WAY
THAT NO ONE ONLY PANEL, ON EAST ARE INTERPRETING A WAY
THAT NO ONE ONLY PANEL, ON
THIS STAGE WANT IT IS TO BE THAT NO ONE ONLY PANEL, ON
THIS STAGE WANT IT IS TO BE
INTERPRETED BUT THE MERE FACT THIS STAGE WANT IT IS TO BE
INTERPRETED BUT THE MERE FACT
THAT WE ENTERTAIN THE INTERPRETED BUT THE MERE FACT
THAT WE ENTERTAIN THE
POSSIBILITY IT CAN BE THAT WE ENTERTAIN THE
POSSIBILITY IT CAN BE
INTERPRETED IN A DIFFERENT POSSIBILITY IT CAN BE
INTERPRETED IN A DIFFERENT
WAY TELLS US WHERE THE INTERPRETED IN A DIFFERENT
WAY TELLS US WHERE THE
PROBLEM LIES. WAY TELLS US WHERE THE
PROBLEM LIES.
THE PROBLEM LIES IN THE WAY PROBLEM LIES.
THE PROBLEM LIES IN THE WAY
THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERPRETING THE PROBLEM LIES IN THE WAY
THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERPRETING
IT. THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERPRETING
IT.
WE’VE GOT TO STOP HAND IT.
WE’VE GOT TO STOP HAND
PICKING TEXTS IN THIS WAY TO WE’VE GOT TO STOP HAND
PICKING TEXTS IN THIS WAY TO
SAY THAT’S WHAT ISLAM IS OR PICKING TEXTS IN THIS WAY TO
SAY THAT’S WHAT ISLAM IS OR
THIS IS WHAT ISLAM IS. SAY THAT’S WHAT ISLAM IS OR
THIS IS WHAT ISLAM IS.
LET’S START LOOKING AT THE THIS IS WHAT ISLAM IS.
LET’S START LOOKING AT THE
PEOPLE WHO INTERPRET IT. LET’S START LOOKING AT THE
PEOPLE WHO INTERPRET IT.
OTHERWISE, LOOK — I DON’T PEOPLE WHO INTERPRET IT.
OTHERWISE, LOOK — I DON’T
WANT TO MISS THE POINT. OTHERWISE, LOOK — I DON’T
WANT TO MISS THE POINT.
TONY BLAIR AND GEORGE BUSH, WANT TO MISS THE POINT.
TONY BLAIR AND GEORGE BUSH,
WHEN THEY INVADED IRAQ, TONY TONY BLAIR AND GEORGE BUSH,
WHEN THEY INVADED IRAQ, TONY
BLAIR SAID IN GOD WE TRUST. WHEN THEY INVADED IRAQ, TONY
BLAIR SAID IN GOD WE TRUST.
WHEN HE ASKED IN THE BLAIR SAID IN GOD WE TRUST.
WHEN HE ASKED IN THE
INTERVIEW DID YOU PRAY TO WHEN HE ASKED IN THE
INTERVIEW DID YOU PRAY TO
GOD, HE SAID GOD TOLD ME TO INTERVIEW DID YOU PRAY TO
GOD, HE SAID GOD TOLD ME TO
DO THIS. GOD, HE SAID GOD TOLD ME TO
DO THIS.
THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT WAS A DO THIS.
THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT WAS A
RELIGIOUS INVASION, BUT IN THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT WAS A
RELIGIOUS INVASION, BUT IN
THE MIDDLE EAST AND IN RELIGIOUS INVASION, BUT IN
THE MIDDLE EAST AND IN
PAKISTAN, WHENEVER I GO THE MIDDLE EAST AND IN
PAKISTAN, WHENEVER I GO
THERE, THAT’S WHAT I HEAR. PAKISTAN, WHENEVER I GO
THERE, THAT’S WHAT I HEAR.
I HEAR YOUNG PEOPLE IN THERE, THAT’S WHAT I HEAR.
I HEAR YOUNG PEOPLE IN
PAKISTAN SAYING TO THEY THAT I HEAR YOUNG PEOPLE IN
PAKISTAN SAYING TO THEY THAT
GEORGE BUSH USED CREWS I’D, PAKISTAN SAYING TO THEY THAT
GEORGE BUSH USED CREWS I’D,
HE PRAYED TO GOD BEFORE HE GEORGE BUSH USED CREWS I’D,
HE PRAYED TO GOD BEFORE HE
INVADED IRAQ ANDTONY BLAY HE PRAYED TO GOD BEFORE HE
INVADED IRAQ ANDTONY BLAY
CONVERTED TO ISLAM SISM. INVADED IRAQ ANDTONY BLAY
CONVERTED TO ISLAM SISM.
>>THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO CONVERTED TO ISLAM SISM.
>>THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO
GET ME IN TROUBLE IN NEW YORK >>THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO
GET ME IN TROUBLE IN NEW YORK
WHERE WE DO THE INTELLIGENCE GET ME IN TROUBLE IN NEW YORK
WHERE WE DO THE INTELLIGENCE
SQUARE DEBATES BUT WE HAVE A WHERE WE DO THE INTELLIGENCE
SQUARE DEBATES BUT WE HAVE A
PORTION WHERE WE TAKE SQUARE DEBATES BUT WE HAVE A
PORTION WHERE WE TAKE
QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE PORTION WHERE WE TAKE
QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE
AND IN NO, IT’S A DIFFICULT QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE
AND IN NO, IT’S A DIFFICULT
PROCESS. AND IN NO, IT’S A DIFFICULT
PROCESS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THE PROCESS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THE
QUESTIONNAIRES WHO ACTUALLY WE HAVE A LOT OF THE
QUESTIONNAIRES WHO ACTUALLY
WANT TO JOIN THE DEBATE. QUESTIONNAIRES WHO ACTUALLY
WANT TO JOIN THE DEBATE.
AND I HAVE TO COMPLIMENT THIS WANT TO JOIN THE DEBATE.
AND I HAVE TO COMPLIMENT THIS
AUDIENCE IN RICHMOND FOR SOME AND I HAVE TO COMPLIMENT THIS
AUDIENCE IN RICHMOND FOR SOME
SPECTACULARLY GOOD QUESTIONS. AUDIENCE IN RICHMOND FOR SOME
SPECTACULARLY GOOD QUESTIONS.
THERE’S ONE — SERIOUSLY. SPECTACULARLY GOOD QUESTIONS.
THERE’S ONE — SERIOUSLY.
THEY’RE SUCH PERFECTLY THERE’S ONE — SERIOUSLY.
THEY’RE SUCH PERFECTLY
PHRASED QUESTIONS. THEY’RE SUCH PERFECTLY
PHRASED QUESTIONS.
LAUREN, I DON’T KNOW WHERE PHRASED QUESTIONS.
LAUREN, I DON’T KNOW WHERE
YOU ARE, BUT I LOVE THE TWIST LAUREN, I DON’T KNOW WHERE
YOU ARE, BUT I LOVE THE TWIST
YOU PUT ON THIS ONE. YOU ARE, BUT I LOVE THE TWIST
YOU PUT ON THIS ONE.
I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW THE YOU PUT ON THIS ONE.
I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW THE
NUMBER ONE MESSAGE THAT THE I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW THE
NUMBER ONE MESSAGE THAT THE
IMAM SHARES WITH MODERATE NUMBER ONE MESSAGE THAT THE
IMAM SHARES WITH MODERATE
MUSLIMS AND NEW ONE QUESTION IMAM SHARES WITH MODERATE
MUSLIMS AND NEW ONE QUESTION
THAT MR. NAWAZ SHARES WITH MUSLIMS AND NEW ONE QUESTION
THAT MR. NAWAZ SHARES WITH
EXTREMISTS. THAT MR. NAWAZ SHARES WITH
EXTREMISTS.
>>NUMBER ONE QUESTION? EXTREMISTS.
>>NUMBER ONE QUESTION?
>>I’M SORRY, THE NUMBER ONE >>NUMBER ONE QUESTION?
>>I’M SORRY, THE NUMBER ONE
MESSAGE. >>I’M SORRY, THE NUMBER ONE
MESSAGE.
>>I WAS STUCK ON THE WORD MESSAGE.
>>I WAS STUCK ON THE WORD
QUESTION. >>I WAS STUCK ON THE WORD
QUESTION.
CURIOUS TO KNOW THE NUMBER QUESTION.
CURIOUS TO KNOW THE NUMBER
ONE MESSAGE THAT HE SHARES CURIOUS TO KNOW THE NUMBER
ONE MESSAGE THAT HE SHARES
WITH MODERN MUSLIMS AND ONE MESSAGE THAT HE SHARES
WITH MODERN MUSLIMS AND
NUMBER ONE MESSAGE THAT WITH MODERN MUSLIMS AND
NUMBER ONE MESSAGE THAT
MR. NAWAZ SHARES WITH NUMBER ONE MESSAGE THAT
MR. NAWAZ SHARES WITH
EXTREMISTS. MR. NAWAZ SHARES WITH
EXTREMISTS.
>>THE NUMBER ONE MESSAGE IS EXTREMISTS.
>>THE NUMBER ONE MESSAGE IS
THAT OUR FAITH IS A FAITH >>THE NUMBER ONE MESSAGE IS
THAT OUR FAITH IS A FAITH
THAT IS ABOUT SUBMISSION TO THAT OUR FAITH IS A FAITH
THAT IS ABOUT SUBMISSION TO
GOD, THAT IT IS ABOUT WORSHIP THAT IS ABOUT SUBMISSION TO
GOD, THAT IT IS ABOUT WORSHIP
ING GOD. GOD, THAT IT IS ABOUT WORSHIP
ING GOD.
IT IS A FAITH THAT COMES FROM ING GOD.
IT IS A FAITH THAT COMES FROM
THE ABRAHAMIC FAITH IT IS A FAITH THAT COMES FROM
THE ABRAHAMIC FAITH
TRADITION. THE ABRAHAMIC FAITH
TRADITION.
WE ARE A PART OF THE TRADITION.
WE ARE A PART OF THE
CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH ABRAHAM WE ARE A PART OF THE
CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH ABRAHAM
IC TRADITION OF CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH ABRAHAM
IC TRADITION OF
RELIGION. IC TRADITION OF
RELIGION.
OUR LAWS ARE VERY SIMILAR. RELIGION.
OUR LAWS ARE VERY SIMILAR.
AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO OUR LAWS ARE VERY SIMILAR.
AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO
ESTABLISH A COMMUNITY THAT AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO
ESTABLISH A COMMUNITY THAT
BELIEVES IN GOD, AND AS I ESTABLISH A COMMUNITY THAT
BELIEVES IN GOD, AND AS I
MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT BELIEVES IN GOD, AND AS I
MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT
WORSHIPS THE SKRAETOR — THE MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT
WORSHIPS THE SKRAETOR — THE
CREATOR IN A STATE AS IF WE WORSHIPS THE SKRAETOR — THE
CREATOR IN A STATE AS IF WE
SEE GOD, THE PROPHET CREATOR IN A STATE AS IF WE
SEE GOD, THE PROPHET
DESCRIBES VIRTUE, DESCRIBING SEE GOD, THE PROPHET
DESCRIBES VIRTUE, DESCRIBING
ISLAM, WHICH MEANS VIRTUE, IS DESCRIBES VIRTUE, DESCRIBING
ISLAM, WHICH MEANS VIRTUE, IS
TO WORSHIP GOD AND TO SERVE ISLAM, WHICH MEANS VIRTUE, IS
TO WORSHIP GOD AND TO SERVE
GOD AS IF YOU SEE THE TO WORSHIP GOD AND TO SERVE
GOD AS IF YOU SEE THE
CREATOR, AND IF YOU DO NOT GOD AS IF YOU SEE THE
CREATOR, AND IF YOU DO NOT
SEE THE CREATOR — SEEING THE CREATOR, AND IF YOU DO NOT
SEE THE CREATOR — SEEING THE
CREATOR IS NOT ONLY SERVING SEE THE CREATOR — SEEING THE
CREATOR IS NOT ONLY SERVING
GOD IN OUR WORSHIP BUT CREATOR IS NOT ONLY SERVING
GOD IN OUR WORSHIP BUT
SERVING HUMANITY, HELPING THE GOD IN OUR WORSHIP BUT
SERVING HUMANITY, HELPING THE
POOR AND HELPING TO BUILD A SERVING HUMANITY, HELPING THE
POOR AND HELPING TO BUILD A
GREATER CONCEPT OF HUMAN POOR AND HELPING TO BUILD A
GREATER CONCEPT OF HUMAN
KIND. GREATER CONCEPT OF HUMAN
KIND.
>>I MAY BE READING MORE INTO KIND.
>>I MAY BE READING MORE INTO
IT BUT I HAVE A SENSE THE >>I MAY BE READING MORE INTO
IT BUT I HAVE A SENSE THE
QUESTION ALSO HAD A IT BUT I HAVE A SENSE THE
QUESTION ALSO HAD A
CONNOTATION OF WHAT DO YOU QUESTION ALSO HAD A
CONNOTATION OF WHAT DO YOU
SAY TO MODERATE MUSLIMS ABOUT CONNOTATION OF WHAT DO YOU
SAY TO MODERATE MUSLIMS ABOUT
EXTREMISM IN THIS LAW? SAY TO MODERATE MUSLIMS ABOUT
EXTREMISM IN THIS LAW?
>>WE ACKNOWLEDGE — ALL THE EXTREMISM IN THIS LAW?
>>WE ACKNOWLEDGE — ALL THE
THINGS THAT AAYAN IS TALKING >>WE ACKNOWLEDGE — ALL THE
THINGS THAT AAYAN IS TALKING
ABOUT AND MAAJID HAS BEEN THINGS THAT AAYAN IS TALKING
ABOUT AND MAAJID HAS BEEN
TALKING ABOUT ARE THINGS THAT ABOUT AND MAAJID HAS BEEN
TALKING ABOUT ARE THINGS THAT
EXIST IN THE MUSLIM WORLD TALKING ABOUT ARE THINGS THAT
EXIST IN THE MUSLIM WORLD
TODAY. EXIST IN THE MUSLIM WORLD
TODAY.
THERE’S NO DISPUTE WE ARE THE TODAY.
THERE’S NO DISPUTE WE ARE THE
BIGGEST VICTIMS OF OUR OWN THERE’S NO DISPUTE WE ARE THE
BIGGEST VICTIMS OF OUR OWN
ACTS OF VIOLENCE. BIGGEST VICTIMS OF OUR OWN
ACTS OF VIOLENCE.
THAT THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE ACTS OF VIOLENCE.
THAT THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE
LEGITIMATELY COME FROM OUR THAT THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE
LEGITIMATELY COME FROM OUR
FAITH. LEGITIMATELY COME FROM OUR
FAITH.
THIS IS THE BATTLE THAT IS FAITH.
THIS IS THE BATTLE THAT IS
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITHIN THIS IS THE BATTLE THAT IS
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITHIN
THE MUSLIM WORLD. HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITHIN
THE MUSLIM WORLD.
THIS IS THE WORK WHICH I’M THE MUSLIM WORLD.
THIS IS THE WORK WHICH I’M
DEVOTED TO THROUGH THE GLOBAL THIS IS THE WORK WHICH I’M
DEVOTED TO THROUGH THE GLOBAL
MOVEMENT TO MODERATES, WHICH DEVOTED TO THROUGH THE GLOBAL
MOVEMENT TO MODERATES, WHICH
I’M DOING WITH A NUMBER OF MOVEMENT TO MODERATES, WHICH
I’M DOING WITH A NUMBER OF
MUSLIM WORLD LEADERS IN TERMS I’M DOING WITH A NUMBER OF
MUSLIM WORLD LEADERS IN TERMS
OF ADVANCING THE ROLE OF MUSLIM WORLD LEADERS IN TERMS
OF ADVANCING THE ROLE OF
WOMEN, WHICH IS NOT UNIFORM OF ADVANCING THE ROLE OF
WOMEN, WHICH IS NOT UNIFORM
ACROSS THE MUSLIM WORLD, BY WOMEN, WHICH IS NOT UNIFORM
ACROSS THE MUSLIM WORLD, BY
ANY MEANS. ACROSS THE MUSLIM WORLD, BY
ANY MEANS.
YOU HAVE WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD ANY MEANS.
YOU HAVE WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD
— WE HAVE HAD FIVE WOMEN YOU HAVE WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD
— WE HAVE HAD FIVE WOMEN
HEADS OF GOVERNMENTS, MANY — WE HAVE HAD FIVE WOMEN
HEADS OF GOVERNMENTS, MANY
MINISTERS IN MUSLIM HEADS OF GOVERNMENTS, MANY
MINISTERS IN MUSLIM
COUNTRIES. MINISTERS IN MUSLIM
COUNTRIES.
THE ROLE OF WOMEN IS NOT A COUNTRIES.
THE ROLE OF WOMEN IS NOT A
COMMON THING. THE ROLE OF WOMEN IS NOT A
COMMON THING.
IT COMES FROM A CULTURAL COMMON THING.
IT COMES FROM A CULTURAL
TRADITION, RATHER THAN FROM IT COMES FROM A CULTURAL
TRADITION, RATHER THAN FROM
THE FAITH 2R5D IGS — TRADITION, RATHER THAN FROM
THE FAITH 2R5D IGS —
TRADITION ITSELF. THE FAITH 2R5D IGS —
TRADITION ITSELF.
EVEN WE’VE HAD PROGRAMS IN TRADITION ITSELF.
EVEN WE’VE HAD PROGRAMS IN
EGYPT, WE’RE TRYING TO SCALE EVEN WE’VE HAD PROGRAMS IN
EGYPT, WE’RE TRYING TO SCALE
UP, AND IMAMS IN AFGHANISTAN, EGYPT, WE’RE TRYING TO SCALE
UP, AND IMAMS IN AFGHANISTAN,
AND LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, THIS UP, AND IMAMS IN AFGHANISTAN,
AND LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, THIS
IS A BATTLE AND LIKE ANY AND LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, THIS
IS A BATTLE AND LIKE ANY
BATTLE, YOU HAVE YOUR WINS, IS A BATTLE AND LIKE ANY
BATTLE, YOU HAVE YOUR WINS,
YOUR LOSSES, AND THE OPPOSING BATTLE, YOU HAVE YOUR WINS,
YOUR LOSSES, AND THE OPPOSING
SIDE ALWAYS TRIES TO COMBAT YOUR LOSSES, AND THE OPPOSING
SIDE ALWAYS TRIES TO COMBAT
YOU, BUT OUR WORK IS HOW DO SIDE ALWAYS TRIES TO COMBAT
YOU, BUT OUR WORK IS HOW DO
WE STRATEGIZE TO BUILD A YOU, BUT OUR WORK IS HOW DO
WE STRATEGIZE TO BUILD A
BROADER COALITION OF FORCE WE STRATEGIZE TO BUILD A
BROADER COALITION OF FORCE
THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE THE BROADER COALITION OF FORCE
THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE THE
DISCOURSE FOR THE POSITIVE THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE THE
DISCOURSE FOR THE POSITIVE
AND EI’M AN ETERNAL OPTIMIST DISCOURSE FOR THE POSITIVE
AND EI’M AN ETERNAL OPTIMIST
WE CAN WIN THIS BATTLE. AND EI’M AN ETERNAL OPTIMIST
WE CAN WIN THIS BATTLE.
>>AND MAAJID, WHAT’S YOUR WE CAN WIN THIS BATTLE.
>>AND MAAJID, WHAT’S YOUR
MESSAGE FOR THE EXTREMISTS? >>AND MAAJID, WHAT’S YOUR
MESSAGE FOR THE EXTREMISTS?
>>HELP ME OUT. MESSAGE FOR THE EXTREMISTS?
>>HELP ME OUT.
WE’RE ALWAYS STUCK WITH A — >>HELP ME OUT.
WE’RE ALWAYS STUCK WITH A —
STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND HARD WE’RE ALWAYS STUCK WITH A —
STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND HARD
PLACE, AND HERE I’M TRYING TO STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND HARD
PLACE, AND HERE I’M TRYING TO
TELL EVERYONE THAT ISLAM IS PLACE, AND HERE I’M TRYING TO
TELL EVERYONE THAT ISLAM IS
NOT A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE. TELL EVERYONE THAT ISLAM IS
NOT A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE.
IT’S INTERPRETED. NOT A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE.
IT’S INTERPRETED.
WHEN I GO TO PAKISTAN, THE IT’S INTERPRETED.
WHEN I GO TO PAKISTAN, THE
MORE I SPEAK TO MUSLIMS WHO WHEN I GO TO PAKISTAN, THE
MORE I SPEAK TO MUSLIMS WHO
HAVE EVERY SENSE OF MORE I SPEAK TO MUSLIMS WHO
HAVE EVERY SENSE OF
GRIEVANCE, I’M TRYING TO TELL HAVE EVERY SENSE OF
GRIEVANCE, I’M TRYING TO TELL
THEM THAT AMERICA ISN’T AT GRIEVANCE, I’M TRYING TO TELL
THEM THAT AMERICA ISN’T AT
WAR WITH ISLAM. THEM THAT AMERICA ISN’T AT
WAR WITH ISLAM.
AND AMERICA DOESN’T HATE WAR WITH ISLAM.
AND AMERICA DOESN’T HATE
MUSLIM AND ISLAM. AND AMERICA DOESN’T HATE
MUSLIM AND ISLAM.
IF THE WEST CAN USE A GENERAL MUSLIM AND ISLAM.
IF THE WEST CAN USE A GENERAL
TERM, IT DOESN’T HATE ISLAM IF THE WEST CAN USE A GENERAL
TERM, IT DOESN’T HATE ISLAM
AND MUSLIMS. TERM, IT DOESN’T HATE ISLAM
AND MUSLIMS.
WHEN WE SPEAK TO THEM, THEY AND MUSLIMS.
WHEN WE SPEAK TO THEM, THEY
ALSO CHERRY PICK EVIDENCES WHEN WE SPEAK TO THEM, THEY
ALSO CHERRY PICK EVIDENCES
LIKE THE ONE WE JUST ENDED ON ALSO CHERRY PICK EVIDENCES
LIKE THE ONE WE JUST ENDED ON
BEFORE THE INTERMISSION, OR LIKE THE ONE WE JUST ENDED ON
BEFORE THE INTERMISSION, OR
OTHERS. BEFORE THE INTERMISSION, OR
OTHERS.
THEY PICK THESE THINGS AND OTHERS.
THEY PICK THESE THINGS AND
SAY WELL, THERE WAS A CURAN THEY PICK THESE THINGS AND
SAY WELL, THERE WAS A CURAN
BURNING SESSION THERE AND SAY WELL, THERE WAS A CURAN
BURNING SESSION THERE AND
THERE WAS THIS DRONE STRIKES, BURNING SESSION THERE AND
THERE WAS THIS DRONE STRIKES,
AND THEY PICK ON THINGS TO THERE WAS THIS DRONE STRIKES,
AND THEY PICK ON THINGS TO
PROVE WHEN I CALL HALF AND THEY PICK ON THINGS TO
PROVE WHEN I CALL HALF
TRUTHS, AND HALF TRUTHS PROVE WHEN I CALL HALF
TRUTHS, AND HALF TRUTHS
AREN’T THE SAME AS LIES. TRUTHS, AND HALF TRUTHS
AREN’T THE SAME AS LIES.
IT’S A LOT EASIER TO DEBUNK A AREN’T THE SAME AS LIES.
IT’S A LOT EASIER TO DEBUNK A
LIE AND TO DISPROVE A LIE, IT’S A LOT EASIER TO DEBUNK A
LIE AND TO DISPROVE A LIE,
BECAUSE IT’S NOT BASED IN LIE AND TO DISPROVE A LIE,
BECAUSE IT’S NOT BASED IN
FACT. BECAUSE IT’S NOT BASED IN
FACT.
BUT THERE ARE HALF TRUE FACT.
BUT THERE ARE HALF TRUE
NARRATIVES ON BOTH SIDES OF BUT THERE ARE HALF TRUE
NARRATIVES ON BOTH SIDES OF
THIS DEBATE, SO A HALF TRUTH NARRATIVES ON BOTH SIDES OF
THIS DEBATE, SO A HALF TRUTH
ON THIS SIDE, YES, OF COURSE, THIS DEBATE, SO A HALF TRUTH
ON THIS SIDE, YES, OF COURSE,
THERE ARE ELEMENTS WITHIN ON THIS SIDE, YES, OF COURSE,
THERE ARE ELEMENTS WITHIN
SCRIPTURE THAT ARE THERE ARE ELEMENTS WITHIN
SCRIPTURE THAT ARE
INTERPRETED TO JUSTIFY ACTS SCRIPTURE THAT ARE
INTERPRETED TO JUSTIFY ACTS
OF GROSS VIOLENCE TODAY. INTERPRETED TO JUSTIFY ACTS
OF GROSS VIOLENCE TODAY.
BUT, OF COURSE, THAT’S HALF OF GROSS VIOLENCE TODAY.
BUT, OF COURSE, THAT’S HALF
THE TRUTH AS WE’VE BEEN BUT, OF COURSE, THAT’S HALF
THE TRUTH AS WE’VE BEEN
DISCUSSING. THE TRUTH AS WE’VE BEEN
DISCUSSING.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE’S A DISCUSSING.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE’S A
HALF TRUTH, BECAUSE ONLY PICK ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE’S A
HALF TRUTH, BECAUSE ONLY PICK
ON ENEMY THAT IS JUSTIFY HALF TRUTH, BECAUSE ONLY PICK
ON ENEMY THAT IS JUSTIFY
THEIR NARRATIVE. ON ENEMY THAT IS JUSTIFY
THEIR NARRATIVE.
THEY SAY AMERICANS ARE WITH THEIR NARRATIVE.
THEY SAY AMERICANS ARE WITH
WAR WITH MUSLIMS, BECAUSE THEY SAY AMERICANS ARE WITH
WAR WITH MUSLIMS, BECAUSE
LOOK, PAL STEIN, KASHMIR, WAR WITH MUSLIMS, BECAUSE
LOOK, PAL STEIN, KASHMIR,
BOSNIA, IRAQ, MUSLIMS ARE LOOK, PAL STEIN, KASHMIR,
BOSNIA, IRAQ, MUSLIMS ARE
DYING EVERYWHERE, GUANTANAMO BOSNIA, IRAQ, MUSLIMS ARE
DYING EVERYWHERE, GUANTANAMO
BAY, TORTURE, WATER BOARDING, DYING EVERYWHERE, GUANTANAMO
BAY, TORTURE, WATER BOARDING,
THESE ARE THINGS THAT BAY, TORTURE, WATER BOARDING,
THESE ARE THINGS THAT
ACTUALLY HAPPENED, WHICH IS THESE ARE THINGS THAT
ACTUALLY HAPPENED, WHICH IS
WHY I CALL THEM HALF TRUTHS. ACTUALLY HAPPENED, WHICH IS
WHY I CALL THEM HALF TRUTHS.
IF ONE WERE TO TRY AND PROVE WHY I CALL THEM HALF TRUTHS.
IF ONE WERE TO TRY AND PROVE
ANY ONE OF THESE, THEY CAN IF ONE WERE TO TRY AND PROVE
ANY ONE OF THESE, THEY CAN
FOUND EVIDENCE TO SAY THESE ANY ONE OF THESE, THEY CAN
FOUND EVIDENCE TO SAY THESE
HAPPENED, AND THAT’S HOW A FOUND EVIDENCE TO SAY THESE
HAPPENED, AND THAT’S HOW A
YOUNG MIND GETS CONVINCED. HAPPENED, AND THAT’S HOW A
YOUNG MIND GETS CONVINCED.
OF COURSE IT DOESN’T TELL THE YOUNG MIND GETS CONVINCED.
OF COURSE IT DOESN’T TELL THE
OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY THAT, OF COURSE IT DOESN’T TELL THE
OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY THAT,
IT WAS THE AMERICANS, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY THAT,
IT WAS THE AMERICANS, THE
AMERICAN ARMY, THAT WENT IN IT WAS THE AMERICANS, THE
AMERICAN ARMY, THAT WENT IN
TO SAVE AND DEFEND MUSLIMS IN AMERICAN ARMY, THAT WENT IN
TO SAVE AND DEFEND MUSLIMS IN
KOSOVO, NEXT DOOR TO BOSNIA, TO SAVE AND DEFEND MUSLIMS IN
KOSOVO, NEXT DOOR TO BOSNIA,
AGAINST SERBS, IT DOESN’T KOSOVO, NEXT DOOR TO BOSNIA,
AGAINST SERBS, IT DOESN’T
TELL THE OTHER HALF OF THE AGAINST SERBS, IT DOESN’T
TELL THE OTHER HALF OF THE
STORY. TELL THE OTHER HALF OF THE
STORY.
THERE WAS THE AMERICAN MEDIA STORY.
THERE WAS THE AMERICAN MEDIA
THAT EXPOSED — EXPOSED THE THERE WAS THE AMERICAN MEDIA
THAT EXPOSED — EXPOSED THE
TORTURE THAT WENT ON IN THE THAT EXPOSED — EXPOSED THE
TORTURE THAT WENT ON IN THE
PRISONS OF IRAQ. TORTURE THAT WENT ON IN THE
PRISONS OF IRAQ.
TESTIFY THE AMERICAN PRISONS OF IRAQ.
TESTIFY THE AMERICAN
IMMEDIATE THAT THAT EXPOSED TESTIFY THE AMERICAN
IMMEDIATE THAT THAT EXPOSED
ALL OF THIS. IMMEDIATE THAT THAT EXPOSED
ALL OF THIS.
IT’S AMERICAN LAWYERS THAT ALL OF THIS.
IT’S AMERICAN LAWYERS THAT
ARE ATTEMPTING TO GET IT’S AMERICAN LAWYERS THAT
ARE ATTEMPTING TO GET
GUANTANAMO BAY SHUT DOWN. ARE ATTEMPTING TO GET
GUANTANAMO BAY SHUT DOWN.
THIS IS DEBATE HAPPENING GUANTANAMO BAY SHUT DOWN.
THIS IS DEBATE HAPPENING
WITHIN THE AMERICAN CONTEXT. THIS IS DEBATE HAPPENING
WITHIN THE AMERICAN CONTEXT.
LIKEWISE, THIS DEBATE ABOUT WITHIN THE AMERICAN CONTEXT.
LIKEWISE, THIS DEBATE ABOUT
TERRORISM AND EXTREMISM IS LIKEWISE, THIS DEBATE ABOUT
TERRORISM AND EXTREMISM IS
LIVE WITHIN THE MUSLIM TERRORISM AND EXTREMISM IS
LIVE WITHIN THE MUSLIM
CONTEXT. LIVE WITHIN THE MUSLIM
CONTEXT.
THESE ARE THE HALF TRUTHS CONTEXT.
THESE ARE THE HALF TRUTHS
THAT NEED TO BE DEBUNKED. THESE ARE THE HALF TRUTHS
THAT NEED TO BE DEBUNKED.
THAT’S I DIDN’T SAID HELP ME THAT NEED TO BE DEBUNKED.
THAT’S I DIDN’T SAID HELP ME
OUT. THAT’S I DIDN’T SAID HELP ME
OUT.
WE NEED TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE OUT.
WE NEED TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE
AND GET BOTH SIDES TO REALIZE WE NEED TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE
AND GET BOTH SIDES TO REALIZE
THE OTHER SIDE HAS A VERY BAD AND GET BOTH SIDES TO REALIZE
THE OTHER SIDE HAS A VERY BAD
IMPRESSION OF THEM BUT WE THE OTHER SIDE HAS A VERY BAD
IMPRESSION OF THEM BUT WE
KNOW THE TRUTH ISN’T AS IMPRESSION OF THEM BUT WE
KNOW THE TRUTH ISN’T AS
SIMPLE AS THAT. KNOW THE TRUTH ISN’T AS
SIMPLE AS THAT.
>>SPECIFICALLY, WHY IS THERE SIMPLE AS THAT.
>>SPECIFICALLY, WHY IS THERE
SO MUCH VIOLENCE AGAINST AND >>SPECIFICALLY, WHY IS THERE
SO MUCH VIOLENCE AGAINST AND
OPREGS OF WOMEN, IS IT A SO MUCH VIOLENCE AGAINST AND
OPREGS OF WOMEN, IS IT A
PROBLEM OF SUBSTANCE OR OPREGS OF WOMEN, IS IT A
PROBLEM OF SUBSTANCE OR
INTERP TAILINGS, DOES THE PROBLEM OF SUBSTANCE OR
INTERP TAILINGS, DOES THE
CURAN SPECIFICALLY — INTERP TAILINGS, DOES THE
CURAN SPECIFICALLY —
INTERPRETATION, DOES THE CURAN SPECIFICALLY —
INTERPRETATION, DOES THE
CURAN SPECIFICALLY CONDONE IT INTERPRETATION, DOES THE
CURAN SPECIFICALLY CONDONE IT
>>AS THE FEMINISTS — WELL, CURAN SPECIFICALLY CONDONE IT
>>AS THE FEMINISTS — WELL,
MAYBE EVERYONE HERE IS A >>AS THE FEMINISTS — WELL,
MAYBE EVERYONE HERE IS A
FEMINIST BUT AS THE FEMALE MAYBE EVERYONE HERE IS A
FEMINIST BUT AS THE FEMALE
FEMINIST ON THE PANEL, I’LL FEMINIST BUT AS THE FEMALE
FEMINIST ON THE PANEL, I’LL
GIVE YOU A FIRST CRACK AT FEMINIST ON THE PANEL, I’LL
GIVE YOU A FIRST CRACK AT
THAT. GIVE YOU A FIRST CRACK AT
THAT.
I FIND ENOUGH VERSES IN THE THAT.
I FIND ENOUGH VERSES IN THE
CURAN AND IN THE HADITH AND I FIND ENOUGH VERSES IN THE
CURAN AND IN THE HADITH AND
IN THE PRACTICE OF ISLAM TO CURAN AND IN THE HADITH AND
IN THE PRACTICE OF ISLAM TO
SHOW THAT AS A WOMAN IN IN THE PRACTICE OF ISLAM TO
SHOW THAT AS A WOMAN IN
ISLAM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SHOW THAT AS A WOMAN IN
ISLAM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A
GUARDIAN. ISLAM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A
GUARDIAN.
YOU DON’T OWN YOUR SEXUALITY. GUARDIAN.
YOU DON’T OWN YOUR SEXUALITY.
ALL THE EXAMPLES THAT I YOU DON’T OWN YOUR SEXUALITY.
ALL THE EXAMPLES THAT I
MENTIONED. ALL THE EXAMPLES THAT I
MENTIONED.
SO THAT IS — IT’S SUBSTANCE. MENTIONED.
SO THAT IS — IT’S SUBSTANCE.
WHEN I CALL FOR A SO THAT IS — IT’S SUBSTANCE.
WHEN I CALL FOR A
REFORMATION, I’M CALLING FOR WHEN I CALL FOR A
REFORMATION, I’M CALLING FOR
AN EDITING, A REVIEW OF THAT, REFORMATION, I’M CALLING FOR
AN EDITING, A REVIEW OF THAT,
SO THAT MEN WHO DO NOT WANT AN EDITING, A REVIEW OF THAT,
SO THAT MEN WHO DO NOT WANT
TO OPPRESS WOMEN CAN FIND SO THAT MEN WHO DO NOT WANT
TO OPPRESS WOMEN CAN FIND
CONSISTENCY WITHIN THE TO OPPRESS WOMEN CAN FIND
CONSISTENCY WITHIN THE
SCRIPTURE AND THE WAY THEY CONSISTENCY WITHIN THE
SCRIPTURE AND THE WAY THEY
PRACTICE ISLAM. SCRIPTURE AND THE WAY THEY
PRACTICE ISLAM.
RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU SEE WHEN PRACTICE ISLAM.
RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU SEE WHEN
IT COMES TO VIOLENCE AGAINST RIGHT NOW WHAT YOU SEE WHEN
IT COMES TO VIOLENCE AGAINST
WOMEN OR RELIGIOUS MINORITIES IT COMES TO VIOLENCE AGAINST
WOMEN OR RELIGIOUS MINORITIES
, OR SHEAS AND WOMEN OR RELIGIOUS MINORITIES
, OR SHEAS AND
SUNNIS — SHIAS AND SUNNIS, , OR SHEAS AND
SUNNIS — SHIAS AND SUNNIS,
THEY ARE MUSLIMS WHO ARE PUT SUNNIS — SHIAS AND SUNNIS,
THEY ARE MUSLIMS WHO ARE PUT
IN A POSITION, THEY WANT TO THEY ARE MUSLIMS WHO ARE PUT
IN A POSITION, THEY WANT TO
LIVE, AND THEY DO LIVE LIVES IN A POSITION, THEY WANT TO
LIVE, AND THEY DO LIVE LIVES
THAT ARE NOT CONSONANT WITH LIVE, AND THEY DO LIVE LIVES
THAT ARE NOT CONSONANT WITH
WHAT THE CURAN SAYS AND THE THAT ARE NOT CONSONANT WITH
WHAT THE CURAN SAYS AND THE
EXAMPLE OF THE PROPHET WHAT THE CURAN SAYS AND THE
EXAMPLE OF THE PROPHET
MOHAMMED, AND I THINK THE WAY EXAMPLE OF THE PROPHET
MOHAMMED, AND I THINK THE WAY
FORWARD IS TO STOP THE MOHAMMED, AND I THINK THE WAY
FORWARD IS TO STOP THE
DENIAL, THE EVASION, AND TO FORWARD IS TO STOP THE
DENIAL, THE EVASION, AND TO
LOOK AT THIS AND TO MODIFY DENIAL, THE EVASION, AND TO
LOOK AT THIS AND TO MODIFY
IT. LOOK AT THIS AND TO MODIFY
IT.
WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT IT.
WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT
ALLOWS US TO DO THAT. WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT
ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.
THE UNITED STATES IS FOUNDED ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.
THE UNITED STATES IS FOUNDED
ON INNOVATION. THE UNITED STATES IS FOUNDED
ON INNOVATION.
AND THERE’S THIS ENORMOUS ON INNOVATION.
AND THERE’S THIS ENORMOUS
OPPORTUNITY TODAY FOR AND THERE’S THIS ENORMOUS
OPPORTUNITY TODAY FOR
MUSLIMS, AS WE LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY FOR
MUSLIMS, AS WE LOOK AT THE
WORLD WE WERE BORN IN AND THE MUSLIMS, AS WE LOOK AT THE
WORLD WE WERE BORN IN AND THE
WORLD WE COME FROM, THERE IS WORLD WE WERE BORN IN AND THE
WORLD WE COME FROM, THERE IS
THIS ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITY WORLD WE COME FROM, THERE IS
THIS ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITY
HERE IN THE U.S. TO LOOK AT THIS ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITY
HERE IN THE U.S. TO LOOK AT
SCRIPTURE IN THE EYE AND TO HERE IN THE U.S. TO LOOK AT
SCRIPTURE IN THE EYE AND TO
INNOVATE AND TO REFORM. SCRIPTURE IN THE EYE AND TO
INNOVATE AND TO REFORM.
AND UNLESS THAT IS DONE THAT INNOVATE AND TO REFORM.
AND UNLESS THAT IS DONE THAT
DISSIDENCE WILL BE THERE AND AND UNLESS THAT IS DONE THAT
DISSIDENCE WILL BE THERE AND
THE PEOPLE WHO INVOKE THE DISSIDENCE WILL BE THERE AND
THE PEOPLE WHO INVOKE THE
VERSES AND THE PROPHETS TO THE PEOPLE WHO INVOKE THE
VERSES AND THE PROPHETS TO
OBEC TIFY WOMEN, THE VIOLENCE VERSES AND THE PROPHETS TO
OBEC TIFY WOMEN, THE VIOLENCE
WILL ALWAYS BE THERE. OBEC TIFY WOMEN, THE VIOLENCE
WILL ALWAYS BE THERE.
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR WILL ALWAYS BE THERE.
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
ISLAM. THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
ISLAM.
I’M WAITING FOR A CHALLENGE, ISLAM.
I’M WAITING FOR A CHALLENGE,
WHERE IT’S NOT IN THE CURAN. I’M WAITING FOR A CHALLENGE,
WHERE IT’S NOT IN THE CURAN.
YOU SHOULD GO TO A WEBSITE, WHERE IT’S NOT IN THE CURAN.
YOU SHOULD GO TO A WEBSITE,
ISLAM, A RELIGION OF FEASTS, YOU SHOULD GO TO A WEBSITE,
ISLAM, A RELIGION OF FEASTS,
AND SOMEONE HAS DOCUMENTED ISLAM, A RELIGION OF FEASTS,
AND SOMEONE HAS DOCUMENTED
109 VERSES FROM THE CURAN, IN AND SOMEONE HAS DOCUMENTED
109 VERSES FROM THE CURAN, IN
THE HADITH, IN THE WORLD WE 109 VERSES FROM THE CURAN, IN
THE HADITH, IN THE WORLD WE
LIVE, CURAN IS A SMALL BOOK THE HADITH, IN THE WORLD WE
LIVE, CURAN IS A SMALL BOOK
COMPARED — AND EVERYONE CAN LIVE, CURAN IS A SMALL BOOK
COMPARED — AND EVERYONE CAN
SEE — COMPARED — AND EVERYONE CAN
SEE —
>>I’M ONLY COMING TOES AS A SEE —
>>I’M ONLY COMING TOES AS A
MODERATE, AND LOOKING FOR >>I’M ONLY COMING TOES AS A
MODERATE, AND LOOKING FOR
CLARITY BUT YOU CAN DO THE MODERATE, AND LOOKING FOR
CLARITY BUT YOU CAN DO THE
SAME THING WITH THE OLD CLARITY BUT YOU CAN DO THE
SAME THING WITH THE OLD
TESTAMENT. SAME THING WITH THE OLD
TESTAMENT.
>>BUT THE CHRISTIANS HAVE TESTAMENT.
>>BUT THE CHRISTIANS HAVE
GONE THROUGH THAT, THEY’VE >>BUT THE CHRISTIANS HAVE
GONE THROUGH THAT, THEY’VE
HAD THEIR CRUSADES AND WITCH GONE THROUGH THAT, THEY’VE
HAD THEIR CRUSADES AND WITCH
BURNINGS AND THEY’RE PAST HAD THEIR CRUSADES AND WITCH
BURNINGS AND THEY’RE PAST
THAT SO VIOLENCE IS NOW AN BURNINGS AND THEY’RE PAST
THAT SO VIOLENCE IS NOW AN
ISSUE OF THE FRINGE. THAT SO VIOLENCE IS NOW AN
ISSUE OF THE FRINGE.
TRUE LEADERSHIP, A ISSUE OF THE FRINGE.
TRUE LEADERSHIP, A
COMPASSIONATE LEADERSHIP TRUE LEADERSHIP, A
COMPASSIONATE LEADERSHIP
WOULD BE A LEADERSHIP THAT COMPASSIONATE LEADERSHIP
WOULD BE A LEADERSHIP THAT
WOULD NOW MODIFY, INNOVATE WOULD BE A LEADERSHIP THAT
WOULD NOW MODIFY, INNOVATE
AND TRANSFORM. WOULD NOW MODIFY, INNOVATE
AND TRANSFORM.
OF COURSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF AND TRANSFORM.
OF COURSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF
PASSAGES. OF COURSE THERE ARE PLENTY OF
PASSAGES.
PART OF THE WORK WE ARE PASSAGES.
PART OF THE WORK WE ARE
ATTEMPTING TO DO IN MY PART OF THE WORK WE ARE
ATTEMPTING TO DO IN MY
ORGANIZATION, IF YOU’RE GOING ATTEMPTING TO DO IN MY
ORGANIZATION, IF YOU’RE GOING
TO GO TO A WEBSITE, GO TO ORGANIZATION, IF YOU’RE GOING
TO GO TO A WEBSITE, GO TO
KW*EUL YAM FOUNDATION.ORG. TO GO TO A WEBSITE, GO TO
KW*EUL YAM FOUNDATION.ORG.
PART OF THE WORK WE’RE DOING, KW*EUL YAM FOUNDATION.ORG.
PART OF THE WORK WE’RE DOING,
THE TWIN CHALLENGES THAT I PART OF THE WORK WE’RE DOING,
THE TWIN CHALLENGES THAT I
MENTIONED, AT LEAST IN THE TWIN CHALLENGES THAT I
MENTIONED, AT LEAST IN
FUNDAMENTALISM, I DO THE WORK MENTIONED, AT LEAST IN
FUNDAMENTALISM, I DO THE WORK
ON THE ISLAM SIDE BECAUSE, AS FUNDAMENTALISM, I DO THE WORK
ON THE ISLAM SIDE BECAUSE, AS
I MENTIONED AT THE CHART, I’M ON THE ISLAM SIDE BECAUSE, AS
I MENTIONED AT THE CHART, I’M
NOT A DEVOUT RELIGIOUS LEADER I MENTIONED AT THE CHART, I’M
NOT A DEVOUT RELIGIOUS LEADER
SO I DISCUSS INTEGRATION, NOT A DEVOUT RELIGIOUS LEADER
SO I DISCUSS INTEGRATION,
SOCIAL OCCASION, POLICES WITH SO I DISCUSS INTEGRATION,
SOCIAL OCCASION, POLICES WITH
SOME OF THESE ISSUES, BUT SOCIAL OCCASION, POLICES WITH
SOME OF THESE ISSUES, BUT
WE’VE GOT SOMEBODY AT KW*EUL SOME OF THESE ISSUES, BUT
WE’VE GOT SOMEBODY AT KW*EUL
YAM WHO IS A U.K. LEADING WE’VE GOT SOMEBODY AT KW*EUL
YAM WHO IS A U.K. LEADING
REFORM THEE THEOLOGIAN AND WHATE YAM WHO IS A U.K. LEADING
REFORM THEE THEOLOGIAN AND WHATE
IS ATTEMPTING TO DO IS LOOK REFORM THEE THEOLOGIAN AND WHATE
IS ATTEMPTING TO DO IS LOOK
AT THESE GENUINELY IS ATTEMPTING TO DO IS LOOK
AT THESE GENUINELY
CHALLENGING PASSAGES IN THE AT THESE GENUINELY
CHALLENGING PASSAGES IN THE
CURAN. CHALLENGING PASSAGES IN THE
CURAN.
THERE ARE THOSE THAT CURAN.
THERE ARE THOSE THAT
APPARENTLY LEND TO A STRONG THERE ARE THOSE THAT
APPARENTLY LEND TO A STRONG
INTERPRETATION THAT A HUSBAND APPARENTLY LEND TO A STRONG
INTERPRETATION THAT A HUSBAND
IS ALLOWED TO SUB JU GATE THE INTERPRETATION THAT A HUSBAND
IS ALLOWED TO SUB JU GATE THE
WIFE, POLYGAMY, SLAVERY, ALL IS ALLOWED TO SUB JU GATE THE
WIFE, POLYGAMY, SLAVERY, ALL
THESE ARE IN THE CURAN, AND WIFE, POLYGAMY, SLAVERY, ALL
THESE ARE IN THE CURAN, AND
AS YOU MENTIONED, ALSO IN THE THESE ARE IN THE CURAN, AND
AS YOU MENTIONED, ALSO IN THE
OLD TESTAMENT. AS YOU MENTIONED, ALSO IN THE
OLD TESTAMENT.
SO WE NEED THEOLOGIANS TO OLD TESTAMENT.
SO WE NEED THEOLOGIANS TO
REINTERPRET THIS IN A CONTEXT SO WE NEED THEOLOGIANS TO
REINTERPRET THIS IN A CONTEXT
THAT MAKES SENSE. REINTERPRET THIS IN A CONTEXT
THAT MAKES SENSE.
MY CHALLENGE TO LITERALISTS, THAT MAKES SENSE.
MY CHALLENGE TO LITERALISTS,
PEOPLE LIKE AL-QAEDA MY CHALLENGE TO LITERALISTS,
PEOPLE LIKE AL-QAEDA
TERRORISTS IS THE FOLLOWING. PEOPLE LIKE AL-QAEDA
TERRORISTS IS THE FOLLOWING.
IF YOU’RE GOING TO USE A TERRORISTS IS THE FOLLOWING.
IF YOU’RE GOING TO USE A
PASSAGE OF THE CURAN THAT IF YOU’RE GOING TO USE A
PASSAGE OF THE CURAN THAT
ALLOWS YOU TO BEAT YOUR WIFE PASSAGE OF THE CURAN THAT
ALLOWS YOU TO BEAT YOUR WIFE
AND SUBJUGATE YOUR WIFE, ALLOWS YOU TO BEAT YOUR WIFE
AND SUBJUGATE YOUR WIFE,
LIKEWISE WE HAVE TO TAKE AND SUBJUGATE YOUR WIFE,
LIKEWISE WE HAVE TO TAKE
EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH MEANS LIKEWISE WE HAVE TO TAKE
EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH MEANS
THE REINTRODUCTION OF EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH MEANS
THE REINTRODUCTION OF
SLAVERY, IT MEANS EVERYTHING THE REINTRODUCTION OF
SLAVERY, IT MEANS EVERYTHING
PRACTICED IN THE MEDIEVAL ERA SLAVERY, IT MEANS EVERYTHING
PRACTICED IN THE MEDIEVAL ERA
NEEDS TO BE REINTRODUCED, PRACTICED IN THE MEDIEVAL ERA
NEEDS TO BE REINTRODUCED,
DEFEND SLAVERY, CONCUBINES, NEEDS TO BE REINTRODUCED,
DEFEND SLAVERY, CONCUBINES,
BECAUSE A LITERAL DEFEND SLAVERY, CONCUBINES,
BECAUSE A LITERAL
INTERPRETATION CAN BE TAKEN BECAUSE A LITERAL
INTERPRETATION CAN BE TAKEN
FROM ANY OF THE SCRIPTURES. INTERPRETATION CAN BE TAKEN
FROM ANY OF THE SCRIPTURES.
SO THERE ARE PASSAGES FROM ANY OF THE SCRIPTURES.
SO THERE ARE PASSAGES
PROBLEMATIC, THEY DO NEED TO SO THERE ARE PASSAGES
PROBLEMATIC, THEY DO NEED TO
BE LOOKED AT. PROBLEMATIC, THEY DO NEED TO
BE LOOKED AT.
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH SCHOLARS BE LOOKED AT.
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH SCHOLARS
WHO ARE ATTEMPTING THIS WORK. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH SCHOLARS
WHO ARE ATTEMPTING THIS WORK.
MORE ARE NEEDED. WHO ARE ATTEMPTING THIS WORK.
MORE ARE NEEDED.
>>THANK YOU. MORE ARE NEEDED.
>>THANK YOU.
>>THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU.
>>THANK YOU.
THERE ARE PASSAGES IN THE OLD >>THANK YOU.
THERE ARE PASSAGES IN THE OLD
TESTAMENT, BUT WHAT PEOPLE THERE ARE PASSAGES IN THE OLD
TESTAMENT, BUT WHAT PEOPLE
DON’T REALLY UNDERSTAND IS A TESTAMENT, BUT WHAT PEOPLE
DON’T REALLY UNDERSTAND IS A
LOT OF THIS, AS YOU MENTIONED DON’T REALLY UNDERSTAND IS A
LOT OF THIS, AS YOU MENTIONED
EARLIER, A LOT OF THE LOT OF THIS, AS YOU MENTIONED
EARLIER, A LOT OF THE
DEVELOPMENTS OF THE EARLIER, A LOT OF THE
DEVELOPMENTS OF THE
JURISPRUDENCE AND DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS OF THE
JURISPRUDENCE AND DIFFERENT
OPINIONS OF LAW WERE JURISPRUDENCE AND DIFFERENT
OPINIONS OF LAW WERE
DEVELOPED PHAERPBGS MANY OPINIONS OF LAW WERE
DEVELOPED PHAERPBGS MANY
YEARS AGO, HUNDREDS — 500, DEVELOPED PHAERPBGS MANY
YEARS AGO, HUNDREDS — 500,
100,000 YEARS AGO. YEARS AGO, HUNDREDS — 500,
100,000 YEARS AGO.
UNFORTUNATELY, MOST PEOPLE 100,000 YEARS AGO.
UNFORTUNATELY, MOST PEOPLE
FROM TODAY, PEOPLE FROM THE UNFORTUNATELY, MOST PEOPLE
FROM TODAY, PEOPLE FROM THE
RIGHT, INCLUDING WHO YOU FROM TODAY, PEOPLE FROM THE
RIGHT, INCLUDING WHO YOU
REFERRED TO AS AL-QAEDA, HAVE RIGHT, INCLUDING WHO YOU
REFERRED TO AS AL-QAEDA, HAVE
NOT STUDIED THIS. REFERRED TO AS AL-QAEDA, HAVE
NOT STUDIED THIS.
WHEN YOU STUDY OUR NOT STUDIED THIS.
WHEN YOU STUDY OUR
JURISPRUDENCE, AND SEEK WHEN YOU STUDY OUR
JURISPRUDENCE, AND SEEK
OPINIONS, AND THERE’S A JURISPRUDENCE, AND SEEK
OPINIONS, AND THERE’S A
FAMOUS QUESTION, ASK A JEW1 OPINIONS, AND THERE’S A
FAMOUS QUESTION, ASK A JEW1
QUESTION, GET FIVE ANSWERS, FAMOUS QUESTION, ASK A JEW1
QUESTION, GET FIVE ANSWERS,
WHAT’S OUR TRADITION. QUESTION, GET FIVE ANSWERS,
WHAT’S OUR TRADITION.
THE JEWISH PRINT IS EXTREMELY WHAT’S OUR TRADITION.
THE JEWISH PRINT IS EXTREMELY
SOPHISTICATED, AND ITS THE JEWISH PRINT IS EXTREMELY
SOPHISTICATED, AND ITS
HERITAGE HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN. SOPHISTICATED, AND ITS
HERITAGE HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN.
MUCH OF OUR LITERARY HERITAGE HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN.
MUCH OF OUR LITERARY
HERITAGE, OUR INTELLECTUAL MUCH OF OUR LITERARY
HERITAGE, OUR INTELLECTUAL
HERITAGE, MOST OF THESE HERITAGE, OUR INTELLECTUAL
HERITAGE, MOST OF THESE
QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN HERITAGE, MOST OF THESE
QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN
ADDRESSED. QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN
ADDRESSED.
WHEN YOU BEGAN STUDYING IT, ADDRESSED.
WHEN YOU BEGAN STUDYING IT,
YOU DISCOVERED THAT SCHOLARS WHEN YOU BEGAN STUDYING IT,
YOU DISCOVERED THAT SCHOLARS
FROM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN YOU DISCOVERED THAT SCHOLARS
FROM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN
CENTURIES AGO HAD ADDRESSED FROM, YOU KNOW, SEVEN
CENTURIES AGO HAD ADDRESSED
THESE QUESTIONS AND THESE CENTURIES AGO HAD ADDRESSED
THESE QUESTIONS AND THESE
PEOPLE ARE NOW ASKING IT ALL THESE QUESTIONS AND THESE
PEOPLE ARE NOW ASKING IT ALL
OVER AGAIN AS IF IT HAD NOT PEOPLE ARE NOW ASKING IT ALL
OVER AGAIN AS IF IT HAD NOT
BEEN DONE. OVER AGAIN AS IF IT HAD NOT
BEEN DONE.
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, YES, BEEN DONE.
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, YES,
IT IS NOT PERFECTION. NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, YES,
IT IS NOT PERFECTION.
EVEN IN AMERICA, THERE IS IT IS NOT PERFECTION.
EVEN IN AMERICA, THERE IS
ONGOING ISSUES ABOUT, YOU EVEN IN AMERICA, THERE IS
ONGOING ISSUES ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, EQUALITY OF PAY, OR ONGOING ISSUES ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, EQUALITY OF PAY, OR
BETWEEN GENDERS, UNTIL KNOW, EQUALITY OF PAY, OR
BETWEEN GENDERS, UNTIL
RECENTLY. BETWEEN GENDERS, UNTIL
RECENTLY.
SO IN THE MUSLIM WORLD, RECENTLY.
SO IN THE MUSLIM WORLD,
THINGS AREN’T PERFECT. SO IN THE MUSLIM WORLD,
THINGS AREN’T PERFECT.
BUT YOU GO TO DIFFERENT THINGS AREN’T PERFECT.
BUT YOU GO TO DIFFERENT
COUNTRIES, YOU WILL NOT SEE BUT YOU GO TO DIFFERENT
COUNTRIES, YOU WILL NOT SEE
THAT THE ISSUES OF — TO COUNTRIES, YOU WILL NOT SEE
THAT THE ISSUES OF — TO
CLAIM THIS ISSUE, TO FORM A THAT THE ISSUES OF — TO
CLAIM THIS ISSUE, TO FORM A
NEGATIVE ACROSS THE MUSLIM CLAIM THIS ISSUE, TO FORM A
NEGATIVE ACROSS THE MUSLIM
WORLD IS A MYTH. NEGATIVE ACROSS THE MUSLIM
WORLD IS A MYTH.
>>THAT’S BECAUSE YOU’RE A WORLD IS A MYTH.
>>THAT’S BECAUSE YOU’RE A
MAN. >>THAT’S BECAUSE YOU’RE A
MAN.
>>NO! MAN.
>>NO!
>> GO TO MALAYSIA, TO MANY >>NO!
>> GO TO MALAYSIA, TO MANY
COUNTRIES. >> GO TO MALAYSIA, TO MANY
COUNTRIES.
MANY OF THESE ISSUES THAT YOU COUNTRIES.
MANY OF THESE ISSUES THAT YOU
ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVE MANY OF THESE ISSUES THAT YOU
ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVE
DIFFERENT STATUS. ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVE
DIFFERENT STATUS.
THERE HAVE BEEN FIVE WOMEN DIFFERENT STATUS.
THERE HAVE BEEN FIVE WOMEN
HEADS OF STATE. THERE HAVE BEEN FIVE WOMEN
HEADS OF STATE.
WE ARE WAITING FOR A FEMALE HEADS OF STATE.
WE ARE WAITING FOR A FEMALE
PRESIDENT IN THE UNITED WE ARE WAITING FOR A FEMALE
PRESIDENT IN THE UNITED
STATES. PRESIDENT IN THE UNITED
STATES.
>>WE MUST HAVE A MUSLIM STATES.
>>WE MUST HAVE A MUSLIM
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED >>WE MUST HAVE A MUSLIM
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES.
>>I MUST — UNLESS YOU STATES.
>>I MUST — UNLESS YOU
BELIEVE THAT OBAMA IS ONE! >>I MUST — UNLESS YOU
BELIEVE THAT OBAMA IS ONE!
>> BUT THE FACT OF THE BELIEVE THAT OBAMA IS ONE!
>> BUT THE FACT OF THE
MATTER IS — AND A LOT OF >> BUT THE FACT OF THE
MATTER IS — AND A LOT OF
THESE THINGS HAVE TO DO WITH MATTER IS — AND A LOT OF
THESE THINGS HAVE TO DO WITH
THE PARTICULAR CULTURES THESE THINGS HAVE TO DO WITH
THE PARTICULAR CULTURES
INVOLVED. THE PARTICULAR CULTURES
INVOLVED.
WOMEN CAN’T DRIVE IN SAUDI INVOLVED.
WOMEN CAN’T DRIVE IN SAUDI
ARABIA, BUT WOMEN ARE DOING WOMEN CAN’T DRIVE IN SAUDI
ARABIA, BUT WOMEN ARE DOING
ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN OTHER ARABIA, BUT WOMEN ARE DOING
ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN OTHER
COUNTRIES. ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN OTHER
COUNTRIES.
>>THERE IS A STUDY, 99.3% OF COUNTRIES.
>>THERE IS A STUDY, 99.3% OF
EGYPTIAN WOMEN ARE SUBJECTED >>THERE IS A STUDY, 99.3% OF
EGYPTIAN WOMEN ARE SUBJECTED
TO SEXUAL HARASSMENT. EGYPTIAN WOMEN ARE SUBJECTED
TO SEXUAL HARASSMENT.
THEY CAN’T LEAVE THEIR HOMES. TO SEXUAL HARASSMENT.
THEY CAN’T LEAVE THEIR HOMES.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT? THEY CAN’T LEAVE THEIR HOMES.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?
>>THAT’S TERRIBLE. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?
>>THAT’S TERRIBLE.
>>I’M VERY MUCH AGAINST IT. >>THAT’S TERRIBLE.
>>I’M VERY MUCH AGAINST IT.
BUT I’M SAYING THAT YOU >>I’M VERY MUCH AGAINST IT.
BUT I’M SAYING THAT YOU
CANNOT MAKE A GENERALIZED BUT I’M SAYING THAT YOU
CANNOT MAKE A GENERALIZED
STATEMENT AND PAINT THIS CANNOT MAKE A GENERALIZED
STATEMENT AND PAINT THIS
CAN’T THAT WOMEN CAN’T DRIVE STATEMENT AND PAINT THIS
CAN’T THAT WOMEN CAN’T DRIVE
ALL OVER THE MUSLIM WORLD. CAN’T THAT WOMEN CAN’T DRIVE
ALL OVER THE MUSLIM WORLD.
THAT’S NOT TRUE. ALL OVER THE MUSLIM WORLD.
THAT’S NOT TRUE.
>>I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE THAT’S NOT TRUE.
>>I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE
CURRENT, THE NEXT SEGMENT HAS >>I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE
CURRENT, THE NEXT SEGMENT HAS
PUT THE ISSUE OF WOMEN’S CURRENT, THE NEXT SEGMENT HAS
PUT THE ISSUE OF WOMEN’S
RIGHTS AS NUMBER ONE ON THE PUT THE ISSUE OF WOMEN’S
RIGHTS AS NUMBER ONE ON THE
AGENDA. RIGHTS AS NUMBER ONE ON THE
AGENDA.
WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO AGENDA.
WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO
EDUCATE PEOPLE, TO EDUCATE WE HAVE A COMMITMENT TO
EDUCATE PEOPLE, TO EDUCATE
IMAMS IN AFGHANISTAN ON THE EDUCATE PEOPLE, TO EDUCATE
IMAMS IN AFGHANISTAN ON THE
RIGHTS OF DAUGHTER, ACCORDING IMAMS IN AFGHANISTAN ON THE
RIGHTS OF DAUGHTER, ACCORDING
TO ISLAMIC LAW, WHICH PEOPLE RIGHTS OF DAUGHTER, ACCORDING
TO ISLAMIC LAW, WHICH PEOPLE
DIDN’T KNOW. TO ISLAMIC LAW, WHICH PEOPLE
DIDN’T KNOW.
THERE’S A LOT OFIG CENTERANS DIDN’T KNOW.
THERE’S A LOT OFIG CENTERANS
IN THE MUSLIM — OF THERE’S A LOT OFIG CENTERANS
IN THE MUSLIM — OF
IGNORANCE. IN THE MUSLIM — OF
IGNORANCE.
THIS ISSUE OF MALALA, IT’S A IGNORANCE.
THIS ISSUE OF MALALA, IT’S A
TRAVESTY, THE PROPHET HAS THIS ISSUE OF MALALA, IT’S A
TRAVESTY, THE PROPHET HAS
SAID IN HADITH, THE MUSLIM IS TRAVESTY, THE PROPHET HAS
SAID IN HADITH, THE MUSLIM IS
TO LEARN FROM THE CRADLE TO SAID IN HADITH, THE MUSLIM IS
TO LEARN FROM THE CRADLE TO
THE GRAVE. TO LEARN FROM THE CRADLE TO
THE GRAVE.
WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF WOMEN WHO THE GRAVE.
WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF WOMEN WHO
ARE SCHOLARS, SO THIS IDEA OF WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF WOMEN WHO
ARE SCHOLARS, SO THIS IDEA OF
SHOOTING MALALA BECAUSE SHE ARE SCHOLARS, SO THIS IDEA OF
SHOOTING MALALA BECAUSE SHE
WANTED TO GET AN EDUCATION, SHOOTING MALALA BECAUSE SHE
WANTED TO GET AN EDUCATION,
IT’S FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS WANTED TO GET AN EDUCATION,
IT’S FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS
WITH OUR FUNDAMENTAL IT’S FUNDAMENTALLY AT ODDS
WITH OUR FUNDAMENTAL
HERITAGE. WITH OUR FUNDAMENTAL
HERITAGE.
THESE ARE THE ISSUES WHICH WE HERITAGE.
THESE ARE THE ISSUES WHICH WE
NEED TO EDUCATE OUR PEOPLE THESE ARE THE ISSUES WHICH WE
NEED TO EDUCATE OUR PEOPLE
ON. NEED TO EDUCATE OUR PEOPLE
ON.
>>LET ME BRING TO YOU, AND I ON.
>>LET ME BRING TO YOU, AND I
THINK THE ANSWER THAT YOU’VE >>LET ME BRING TO YOU, AND I
THINK THE ANSWER THAT YOU’VE
GIVEN TO THE NEXT QUESTION THINK THE ANSWER THAT YOU’VE
GIVEN TO THE NEXT QUESTION
SOUNDS LIKE YES, LINDA ASKS GIVEN TO THE NEXT QUESTION
SOUNDS LIKE YES, LINDA ASKS
ARE MODERATE MUSLIMS SIMPLY SOUNDS LIKE YES, LINDA ASKS
ARE MODERATE MUSLIMS SIMPLY
CHOOSING TO IGNORE VIOLENT ARE MODERATE MUSLIMS SIMPLY
CHOOSING TO IGNORE VIOLENT
PASSAGES IN THE CURAN, SEEING CHOOSING TO IGNORE VIOLENT
PASSAGES IN THE CURAN, SEEING
THEM AS A PRODUCT OF CERTAIN PASSAGES IN THE CURAN, SEEING
THEM AS A PRODUCT OF CERTAIN
TIME AND PLACE, JUST AS MOST THEM AS A PRODUCT OF CERTAIN
TIME AND PLACE, JUST AS MOST
CHRISTIANS DO WITH THE TIME AND PLACE, JUST AS MOST
CHRISTIANS DO WITH THE
STPWHAOEUBL. CHRISTIANS DO WITH THE
STPWHAOEUBL.
>>IT’S NOT ONLY TRUE, BUT STPWHAOEUBL.
>>IT’S NOT ONLY TRUE, BUT
WHAT PEOPLE — PEOPLE NEED TO >>IT’S NOT ONLY TRUE, BUT
WHAT PEOPLE — PEOPLE NEED TO
UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURAN IS WHAT PEOPLE — PEOPLE NEED TO
UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURAN IS
NOT — NOT EVERY VERSE IS UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURAN IS
NOT — NOT EVERY VERSE IS
REGARDED AS RELEVANT OR AS NOT — NOT EVERY VERSE IS
REGARDED AS RELEVANT OR AS
UNIVERSAL. REGARDED AS RELEVANT OR AS
UNIVERSAL.
THERE’S A MYTH THAT MANY UNIVERSAL.
THERE’S A MYTH THAT MANY
MUSLIMS IN THIS LAST CENTURY THERE’S A MYTH THAT MANY
MUSLIMS IN THIS LAST CENTURY
HAVE BEGUN TO ADOPT, THAT MUSLIMS IN THIS LAST CENTURY
HAVE BEGUN TO ADOPT, THAT
EVERY VERSE IN THE CURAN IS HAVE BEGUN TO ADOPT, THAT
EVERY VERSE IN THE CURAN IS
ETERNAL APPLICABLE IN EVERY EVERY VERSE IN THE CURAN IS
ETERNAL APPLICABLE IN EVERY
CONTEXT. ETERNAL APPLICABLE IN EVERY
CONTEXT.
THIS IS NOT PART OF OUR CONTEXT.
THIS IS NOT PART OF OUR
INTELLECTUAL JUDICIAL THIS IS NOT PART OF OUR
INTELLECTUAL JUDICIAL
TRADITION. INTELLECTUAL JUDICIAL
TRADITION.
THIS IS WHERE MISTAKES HAVE TRADITION.
THIS IS WHERE MISTAKES HAVE
BEGUN TO OCCUR. THIS IS WHERE MISTAKES HAVE
BEGUN TO OCCUR.
SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF BEGUN TO OCCUR.
SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF
MODERATES, YES. SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF
MODERATES, YES.
BUT THOSE WHO ARE SCHOLARLY MODERATES, YES.
BUT THOSE WHO ARE SCHOLARLY
AND UNDERSTAND THE BUT THOSE WHO ARE SCHOLARLY
AND UNDERSTAND THE
JURISPRUDENCE ARE ABLE TO AND UNDERSTAND THE
JURISPRUDENCE ARE ABLE TO
ARGUE. JURISPRUDENCE ARE ABLE TO
ARGUE.
THIS IS WHY THE WORK THEY DO ARGUE.
THIS IS WHY THE WORK THEY DO
IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE YOU THIS IS WHY THE WORK THEY DO
IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE YOU
CANNOT CREATE CHANGE FROM THE IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE YOU
CANNOT CREATE CHANGE FROM THE
OUTSIDE. CANNOT CREATE CHANGE FROM THE
OUTSIDE.
YOU HAVE TO CREATE CHANGE OUTSIDE.
YOU HAVE TO CREATE CHANGE
FROM WITHIN. YOU HAVE TO CREATE CHANGE
FROM WITHIN.
THE AMERICAN CATHOLIC FROM WITHIN.
THE AMERICAN CATHOLIC
BISHOPS, THE WRITINGS OF THE AMERICAN CATHOLIC
BISHOPS, THE WRITINGS OF
PEOPLE LIKE JOHN COURTNEY BISHOPS, THE WRITINGS OF
PEOPLE LIKE JOHN COURTNEY
MURRAY, THAT CHANGED THE PEOPLE LIKE JOHN COURTNEY
MURRAY, THAT CHANGED THE
VATICAN’S POSITION ON MURRAY, THAT CHANGED THE
VATICAN’S POSITION ON
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND VATICAN’S POSITION ON
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND
STATE, UNTIL VATICAN TWO IN SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND
STATE, UNTIL VATICAN TWO IN
1965, THE VATICAN DIDN’T STATE, UNTIL VATICAN TWO IN
1965, THE VATICAN DIDN’T
SUBSCRIBE TO A SEPARATION OF 1965, THE VATICAN DIDN’T
SUBSCRIBE TO A SEPARATION OF
CHURCH AND STATE. SUBSCRIBE TO A SEPARATION OF
CHURCH AND STATE.
SO IT HAS TO BE DONE FROM CHURCH AND STATE.
SO IT HAS TO BE DONE FROM
SCHOLARSHIP AND FROM WITHIN. SO IT HAS TO BE DONE FROM
SCHOLARSHIP AND FROM WITHIN.
>>IF CHANGE NEEDS TO COME SCHOLARSHIP AND FROM WITHIN.
>>IF CHANGE NEEDS TO COME
FROM INSIDE — YOU COMMENTED >>IF CHANGE NEEDS TO COME
FROM INSIDE — YOU COMMENTED
ON THIS, BUT YOU STEPPED FROM INSIDE — YOU COMMENTED
ON THIS, BUT YOU STEPPED
OUTSIDE, WHERE DOES IT PUT ON THIS, BUT YOU STEPPED
OUTSIDE, WHERE DOES IT PUT
YOU IN THIS? OUTSIDE, WHERE DOES IT PUT
YOU IN THIS?
>>IT’S NOT ONLY ME. YOU IN THIS?
>>IT’S NOT ONLY ME.
IT’S NOT THAT THEY — >>IT’S NOT ONLY ME.
IT’S NOT THAT THEY —
THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF IT’S NOT THAT THEY —
THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF
ISLAM. THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF
ISLAM.
THERE HAVE BEEN INDIVIDUALS ISLAM.
THERE HAVE BEEN INDIVIDUALS
WHO CALL FOR SOME FORM OF THERE HAVE BEEN INDIVIDUALS
WHO CALL FOR SOME FORM OF
INNOVATION, BUT THEN WHAT WHO CALL FOR SOME FORM OF
INNOVATION, BUT THEN WHAT
HAPPENS? INNOVATION, BUT THEN WHAT
HAPPENS?
THEY GET OXRA SIZED, THEY GET HAPPENS?
THEY GET OXRA SIZED, THEY GET
KICKED OUT, THEY ARE THROWN THEY GET OXRA SIZED, THEY GET
KICKED OUT, THEY ARE THROWN
INTO EXILE OR PRISON OR THEY KICKED OUT, THEY ARE THROWN
INTO EXILE OR PRISON OR THEY
ARE KILLED, AND THAT NEEDS TO INTO EXILE OR PRISON OR THEY
ARE KILLED, AND THAT NEEDS TO
STOP. ARE KILLED, AND THAT NEEDS TO
STOP.
I THINK IT’S A HUGE PROGRESS STOP.
I THINK IT’S A HUGE PROGRESS
THAT THE THREE OF US ARE I THINK IT’S A HUGE PROGRESS
THAT THE THREE OF US ARE
SITTING HERE TONIGHT. THAT THE THREE OF US ARE
SITTING HERE TONIGHT.
>>BUT THAT’S A DIFFERENT SITTING HERE TONIGHT.
>>BUT THAT’S A DIFFERENT
QUESTION FROM THE ONE — YOU >>BUT THAT’S A DIFFERENT
QUESTION FROM THE ONE — YOU
MADE A PERSONAL CHOICE TO QUESTION FROM THE ONE — YOU
MADE A PERSONAL CHOICE TO
LEAVE ISLAM. MADE A PERSONAL CHOICE TO
LEAVE ISLAM.
YOU DID NOT LEAVE ISLAM LEAVE ISLAM.
YOU DID NOT LEAVE ISLAM
BECAUSE YOU RAISED QUESTIONS YOU DID NOT LEAVE ISLAM
BECAUSE YOU RAISED QUESTIONS
AND CHALLENGES AND WERE BECAUSE YOU RAISED QUESTIONS
AND CHALLENGES AND WERE
PUSHED OUT. AND CHALLENGES AND WERE
PUSHED OUT.
YOU ACTUALLY WROTE THAT YOU PUSHED OUT.
YOU ACTUALLY WROTE THAT YOU
WERE ENJOYING A GLASS OF WINE YOU ACTUALLY WROTE THAT YOU
WERE ENJOYING A GLASS OF WINE
AND SAID WHY SHOULD I GO TO WERE ENJOYING A GLASS OF WINE
AND SAID WHY SHOULD I GO TO
HELL FOR THIS WAS KIND OF AND SAID WHY SHOULD I GO TO
HELL FOR THIS WAS KIND OF
YOUR TURNING POINT MOMENT. HELL FOR THIS WAS KIND OF
YOUR TURNING POINT MOMENT.
SO IT WAS YOUR CHOICE. YOUR TURNING POINT MOMENT.
SO IT WAS YOUR CHOICE.
>>I DIDN’T GO OUT AND SAY I SO IT WAS YOUR CHOICE.
>>I DIDN’T GO OUT AND SAY I
AM NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE >>I DIDN’T GO OUT AND SAY I
AM NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE
COMMUNITY. AM NO LONGER A MEMBER OF THE
COMMUNITY.
BUT JUST BY SEEKING COMMUNITY.
BUT JUST BY SEEKING
CONSISTENCE WITH MY MORAL BUT JUST BY SEEKING
CONSISTENCE WITH MY MORAL
PRACTICE AND MY LIFESTYLE, I CONSISTENCE WITH MY MORAL
PRACTICE AND MY LIFESTYLE, I
WAS TOLD BY THE COMMUNITY, PRACTICE AND MY LIFESTYLE, I
WAS TOLD BY THE COMMUNITY,
YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US, YOU WAS TOLD BY THE COMMUNITY,
YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US, YOU
ARE AN INFEDERALIL, AND BEING YOU ARE NOT ONE OF US, YOU
ARE AN INFEDERALIL, AND BEING
CALLED AN INFIDDLE AND LIAR ARE AN INFEDERALIL, AND BEING
CALLED AN INFIDDLE AND LIAR
AND TRADER AND SO ON, I CALLED AN INFIDDLE AND LIAR
AND TRADER AND SO ON, I
ADOPTED THE TITLE OF INFIDDLE AND TRADER AND SO ON, I
ADOPTED THE TITLE OF INFIDDLE
AS SOMETHING THAT I AM PROUD ADOPTED THE TITLE OF INFIDDLE
AS SOMETHING THAT I AM PROUD
OF BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT I AS SOMETHING THAT I AM PROUD
OF BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT I
LOOK AT MYSELF HONESTLY. OF BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT I
LOOK AT MYSELF HONESTLY.
>>I’LL BRING THIS FOR THE LOOK AT MYSELF HONESTLY.
>>I’LL BRING THIS FOR THE
LAST TIME. I’M REALLY ASKING, >>I’LL BRING THIS FOR THE
LAST TIME. I’M REALLY ASKING,
IF YOU STEPPED OUTSIDE THE LAST TIME. I’M REALLY ASKING,
IF YOU STEPPED OUTSIDE THE
PHASE TO THE POINT THAT YOU IF YOU STEPPED OUTSIDE THE
PHASE TO THE POINT THAT YOU
CALLED YOURSELF AN ATHEIST, PHASE TO THE POINT THAT YOU
CALLED YOURSELF AN ATHEIST,
WHAT STANDING DOES IT GIVE CALLED YOURSELF AN ATHEIST,
WHAT STANDING DOES IT GIVE
YOU IN THE CONVERSATION TO WHAT STANDING DOES IT GIVE
YOU IN THE CONVERSATION TO
TALK ABOUT THE CHANGE THAT — YOU IN THE CONVERSATION TO
TALK ABOUT THE CHANGE THAT —
I’M FOLLOWING THE IMAM’S TALK ABOUT THE CHANGE THAT —
I’M FOLLOWING THE IMAM’S
POINT OF WORK FROM WITHIN. I’M FOLLOWING THE IMAM’S
POINT OF WORK FROM WITHIN.
WHERE ARE YOU AT THIS POINT? POINT OF WORK FROM WITHIN.
WHERE ARE YOU AT THIS POINT?
>>FIRST OF ALL, AS SOMEONE WHERE ARE YOU AT THIS POINT?
>>FIRST OF ALL, AS SOMEONE
WHO HAS — WHEN YOU SAY >>FIRST OF ALL, AS SOMEONE
WHO HAS — WHEN YOU SAY
STEPPED OUT, I DON’T MEAN WHO HAS — WHEN YOU SAY
STEPPED OUT, I DON’T MEAN
STEPPED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY STEPPED OUT, I DON’T MEAN
STEPPED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY
BUT STEPPED OUT OF THE IDEA STEPPED OUT OF THE COMMUNITY
BUT STEPPED OUT OF THE IDEA
THAT I’M GOING TO BURN IN BUT STEPPED OUT OF THE IDEA
THAT I’M GOING TO BURN IN
HELL UNLESS I SUBMIT TO A GOD THAT I’M GOING TO BURN IN
HELL UNLESS I SUBMIT TO A GOD
WHO DE PHAOUPBSS ALL KINDS OF HELL UNLESS I SUBMIT TO A GOD
WHO DE PHAOUPBSS ALL KINDS OF
THINGS THAT I FIND IMMORAL, WHO DE PHAOUPBSS ALL KINDS OF
THINGS THAT I FIND IMMORAL,
SO I FIND THAT REACHING THAT THINGS THAT I FIND IMMORAL,
SO I FIND THAT REACHING THAT
MENTAL STATE OF CONSISTENCE SO I FIND THAT REACHING THAT
MENTAL STATE OF CONSISTENCE
AND BEING AT PEACE WITH WHAT MENTAL STATE OF CONSISTENCE
AND BEING AT PEACE WITH WHAT
I AM AND WHO I AM, IT’S SO AND BEING AT PEACE WITH WHAT
I AM AND WHO I AM, IT’S SO
MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO NOW I AM AND WHO I AM, IT’S SO
MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO NOW
LOOK BACK AND READ THE CURAN, MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO NOW
LOOK BACK AND READ THE CURAN,
BUT THIS TIME, WITH NEW EYES LOOK BACK AND READ THE CURAN,
BUT THIS TIME, WITH NEW EYES
SAND THINK HERE ARE THINGS BUT THIS TIME, WITH NEW EYES
SAND THINK HERE ARE THINGS
THAT I WOULD EDIT OUT. SAND THINK HERE ARE THINGS
THAT I WOULD EDIT OUT.
A LOOK AT THE PROPHET THAT I WOULD EDIT OUT.
A LOOK AT THE PROPHET
MOHAMMED, I CAN COME TO — I A LOOK AT THE PROPHET
MOHAMMED, I CAN COME TO — I
MEAN, I RECOGNIZE THINGS THAT MOHAMMED, I CAN COME TO — I
MEAN, I RECOGNIZE THINGS THAT
HE, FOR INSTANCE, SAID, AT MEAN, I RECOGNIZE THINGS THAT
HE, FOR INSTANCE, SAID, AT
THAT POINT, THE KILLING AND HE, FOR INSTANCE, SAID, AT
THAT POINT, THE KILLING AND
BURYING OF LITTLE GIRLS, THAT THAT POINT, THE KILLING AND
BURYING OF LITTLE GIRLS, THAT
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS BURYING OF LITTLE GIRLS, THAT
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS
FORBIDDEN. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS
FORBIDDEN.
IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SEVENTH FORBIDDEN.
IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SEVENTH
CENTURY, THE PROPHET MOHAMMED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SEVENTH
CENTURY, THE PROPHET MOHAMMED
MADE OR CREATED LAWS THAT CENTURY, THE PROPHET MOHAMMED
MADE OR CREATED LAWS THAT
ADVANCED THE POSITION OF MADE OR CREATED LAWS THAT
ADVANCED THE POSITION OF
WOMEN AT THAT TIME, BUT IT’S ADVANCED THE POSITION OF
WOMEN AT THAT TIME, BUT IT’S
ALSO POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT HIS WOMEN AT THAT TIME, BUT IT’S
ALSO POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT HIS
OWN LIFESTYLE CRITICALLY AND ALSO POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT HIS
OWN LIFESTYLE CRITICALLY AND
WHAT CAME AFTERWARDS AND TO OWN LIFESTYLE CRITICALLY AND
WHAT CAME AFTERWARDS AND TO
SAY IN THE 20TH AND 21ST WHAT CAME AFTERWARDS AND TO
SAY IN THE 20TH AND 21ST
CENTURY, WE NEED TO REFLECT SAY IN THE 20TH AND 21ST
CENTURY, WE NEED TO REFLECT
ON THIS AND REFORM THIS, AND CENTURY, WE NEED TO REFLECT
ON THIS AND REFORM THIS, AND
IT SEEMS TO ME AS IF YOU — ON THIS AND REFORM THIS, AND
IT SEEMS TO ME AS IF YOU —
IF YOU REMAIN A BELIEVER, A IT SEEMS TO ME AS IF YOU —
IF YOU REMAIN A BELIEVER, A
MUSLIM BELIEVER, THAT IT IF YOU REMAIN A BELIEVER, A
MUSLIM BELIEVER, THAT IT
BECOMES VERY HARD TO ARGUE MUSLIM BELIEVER, THAT IT
BECOMES VERY HARD TO ARGUE
WITH THE CONCEPT OF GOD, OR BECOMES VERY HARD TO ARGUE
WITH THE CONCEPT OF GOD, OR
TO ARGUE WITH THE MORAL GUIDE WITH THE CONCEPT OF GOD, OR
TO ARGUE WITH THE MORAL GUIDE
OF ISLAM. TO ARGUE WITH THE MORAL GUIDE
OF ISLAM.
I MEAN, THIS GENTLEMEN OF ISLAM.
I MEAN, THIS GENTLEMEN
SITTING HERE TONIGHT I MEAN, THIS GENTLEMEN
SITTING HERE TONIGHT
DEMONSTRATE THAT. SITTING HERE TONIGHT
DEMONSTRATE THAT.
THE CURAN IS FOREVER PERFECT. DEMONSTRATE THAT.
THE CURAN IS FOREVER PERFECT.
EVERYONE HAS MISUNDERSTOOD IT THE CURAN IS FOREVER PERFECT.
EVERYONE HAS MISUNDERSTOOD IT
CURAN IS FOREVER PERFECT. EVERYONE HAS MISUNDERSTOOD IT
CURAN IS FOREVER PERFECT.
CRITICIZE IT AND HAVE CURAN IS FOREVER PERFECT.
CRITICIZE IT AND HAVE
MISUNDERSTOOD IT. CRITICIZE IT AND HAVE
MISUNDERSTOOD IT.
IF YOU BECOME AN ATHEIST, MISUNDERSTOOD IT.
IF YOU BECOME AN ATHEIST,
THEN YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT IF YOU BECOME AN ATHEIST,
THEN YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT
FLINCHING. THEN YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT
FLINCHING.
>>I THINK THE VERY FACT FLINCHING.
>>I THINK THE VERY FACT
WE’RE HERE, I MEAN, THE ROLE >>I THINK THE VERY FACT
WE’RE HERE, I MEAN, THE ROLE
THAT AAYAN CAN HAVE IN THIS WE’RE HERE, I MEAN, THE ROLE
THAT AAYAN CAN HAVE IN THIS
DEBATE, I THINK SHE HAS A THAT AAYAN CAN HAVE IN THIS
DEBATE, I THINK SHE HAS A
ROLE, AND I THINK THAT I’M DEBATE, I THINK SHE HAS A
ROLE, AND I THINK THAT I’M
GOING TO GET INTO A LOT OF ROLE, AND I THINK THAT I’M
GOING TO GET INTO A LOT OF
TROUBLE FOR SAYING THIS, BUT GOING TO GET INTO A LOT OF
TROUBLE FOR SAYING THIS, BUT
SHE HAS A ROLE, AND IT’S TROUBLE FOR SAYING THIS, BUT
SHE HAS A ROLE, AND IT’S
CRUCIAL, AND THAT IS THAT SHE HAS A ROLE, AND IT’S
CRUCIAL, AND THAT IS THAT
THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE CRUCIAL, AND THAT IS THAT
THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE
TAKEN FAR TOO LONG TO HAPPEN THESE CONVERSATIONS HAVE
TAKEN FAR TOO LONG TO HAPPEN
WITHIN MUSLIM COMMUNITIES. TAKEN FAR TOO LONG TO HAPPEN
WITHIN MUSLIM COMMUNITIES.
WE AS MUSLIMS HAVE TO COME TO WITHIN MUSLIM COMMUNITIES.
WE AS MUSLIMS HAVE TO COME TO
TERMS. WE AS MUSLIMS HAVE TO COME TO
TERMS.
WE HAVE TO COME TO TERMS WITH TERMS.
WE HAVE TO COME TO TERMS WITH
THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE A WE HAVE TO COME TO TERMS WITH
THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE A
PORTION FROM WITHIN OUR THE FACT THAT THERE WILL BE A
PORTION FROM WITHIN OUR
COMMUNITIES WHOSE CONSCIENCE PORTION FROM WITHIN OUR
COMMUNITIES WHOSE CONSCIENCE
DICK STATE TOSS THEM THEY NO COMMUNITIES WHOSE CONSCIENCE
DICK STATE TOSS THEM THEY NO
LONGER WANT TO BELIEVE IN THE DICK STATE TOSS THEM THEY NO
LONGER WANT TO BELIEVE IN THE
FAITH AND WE HAVE TO COME LONGER WANT TO BELIEVE IN THE
FAITH AND WE HAVE TO COME
WITH TERMS WITH HOW TO DEAL FAITH AND WE HAVE TO COME
WITH TERMS WITH HOW TO DEAL
WITH THAT IN A CIVIL CONTEXT WITH TERMS WITH HOW TO DEAL
WITH THAT IN A CIVIL CONTEXT
AND HAVE CIVIL CONVERSATIONS. WITH THAT IN A CIVIL CONTEXT
AND HAVE CIVIL CONVERSATIONS.
I SPEAK TO AAYAN ON STAGE, I AND HAVE CIVIL CONVERSATIONS.
I SPEAK TO AAYAN ON STAGE, I
LIKE HER, SHE WAS VERY POLITE I SPEAK TO AAYAN ON STAGE, I
LIKE HER, SHE WAS VERY POLITE
TO THE LADIES. LIKE HER, SHE WAS VERY POLITE
TO THE LADIES.
I CALL UPON EVERY OTHER TO THE LADIES.
I CALL UPON EVERY OTHER
MUSLIM LISTENING TONIGHT, I CALL UPON EVERY OTHER
MUSLIM LISTENING TONIGHT,
THEY WILL COME ACROSS MUSLIM LISTENING TONIGHT,
THEY WILL COME ACROSS
EX-MUSLIMS IN THEIR LIFE, THEY WILL COME ACROSS
EX-MUSLIMS IN THEIR LIFE,
BECAUSE THEY ARE A GROWING EX-MUSLIMS IN THEIR LIFE,
BECAUSE THEY ARE A GROWING
NUMBER, TO RECONCILE BECAUSE THEY ARE A GROWING
NUMBER, TO RECONCILE
THEMSELVES TO THIS FACT, THAT NUMBER, TO RECONCILE
THEMSELVES TO THIS FACT, THAT
THERE WILL BE PEOPLE AMONG THEMSELVES TO THIS FACT, THAT
THERE WILL BE PEOPLE AMONG
THESE COMMUNITIES WHOSE THERE WILL BE PEOPLE AMONG
THESE COMMUNITIES WHOSE
CONSCIENCE DICTATES TO THEM THESE COMMUNITIES WHOSE
CONSCIENCE DICTATES TO THEM
THEY NO LONGER WANT TO CONSCIENCE DICTATES TO THEM
THEY NO LONGER WANT TO
BELIEVE AND OUR RESPONSE TO THEY NO LONGER WANT TO
BELIEVE AND OUR RESPONSE TO
THAT MUSTING — MUST BE THAT BELIEVE AND OUR RESPONSE TO
THAT MUSTING — MUST BE THAT
IMAM IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER, THAT MUSTING — MUST BE THAT
IMAM IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER,
HE IS NOT SWEARING AT HER, IMAM IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER,
HE IS NOT SWEARING AT HER,
SPITTING AT HER AND OTHER HE IS NOT SWEARING AT HER,
SPITTING AT HER AND OTHER
MUSLIMS NEED TO TAKE LESSON SPITTING AT HER AND OTHER
MUSLIMS NEED TO TAKE LESSON
FROM THIS, BECAUSE FRANK MUSLIMS NEED TO TAKE LESSON
FROM THIS, BECAUSE FRANK
WILL, OUT THERE ON THE FROM THIS, BECAUSE FRANK
WILL, OUT THERE ON THE
STREETS, THAT IS THE SORT OF WILL, OUT THERE ON THE
STREETS, THAT IS THE SORT OF
REACTION, IT’S A SEVERE, STREETS, THAT IS THE SORT OF
REACTION, IT’S A SEVERE,
VIOLENT REACTION. REACTION, IT’S A SEVERE,
VIOLENT REACTION.
>>ON THE QUESTION OF VIOLENT REACTION.
>>ON THE QUESTION OF
LEADERSHIP, WE HAVE THIS >>ON THE QUESTION OF
LEADERSHIP, WE HAVE THIS
QUESTION THAT IS SIGNED LEADERSHIP, WE HAVE THIS
QUESTION THAT IS SIGNED
LUTHERAN IN WILLIAMSBURG. QUESTION THAT IS SIGNED
LUTHERAN IN WILLIAMSBURG.
>>FRITZ LUTHERANS IN LUTHERAN IN WILLIAMSBURG.
>>FRITZ LUTHERANS IN
WILLIAMSBURG. >>FRITZ LUTHERANS IN
WILLIAMSBURG.
THEY ASK, ARE THERE LEADERS WILLIAMSBURG.
THEY ASK, ARE THERE LEADERS
IN ISLAM WHO ARE CHOSEN TO BE THEY ASK, ARE THERE LEADERS
IN ISLAM WHO ARE CHOSEN TO BE
SPOKESMEN ON A WIDER PLAIN, IN ISLAM WHO ARE CHOSEN TO BE
SPOKESMEN ON A WIDER PLAIN,
SUCH AS A POPE OR PRESIDING SPOKESMEN ON A WIDER PLAIN,
SUCH AS A POPE OR PRESIDING
BISHOP? SUCH AS A POPE OR PRESIDING
BISHOP?
I’M WONDERING WHEN BISHOP?
I’M WONDERING WHEN
ANEXTREMIST PERPETUATES AN I’M WONDERING WHEN
ANEXTREMIST PERPETUATES AN
ACT OF VIOLENCE IN PRAISE OF ANEXTREMIST PERPETUATES AN
ACT OF VIOLENCE IN PRAISE OF
ALLAH, ARE THERE LEADERS ACT OF VIOLENCE IN PRAISE OF
ALLAH, ARE THERE LEADERS
BEYOND THE LOCAL MUSLIM ALLAH, ARE THERE LEADERS
BEYOND THE LOCAL MUSLIM
COMMUNITIES WHO ARE IN THE BEYOND THE LOCAL MUSLIM
COMMUNITIES WHO ARE IN THE
POSITION OF CONDEMNING SUCH COMMUNITIES WHO ARE IN THE
POSITION OF CONDEMNING SUCH
AN ACT? POSITION OF CONDEMNING SUCH
AN ACT?
>>OUR PROBLEM IS THAT WE AN ACT?
>>OUR PROBLEM IS THAT WE
DON’T HAVE A CHURCH IN THE >>OUR PROBLEM IS THAT WE
DON’T HAVE A CHURCH IN THE
SENSE THAT THE CHURCHES HAVE DON’T HAVE A CHURCH IN THE
SENSE THAT THE CHURCHES HAVE
AN ORGANIZED AND VISUALIZED SENSE THAT THE CHURCHES HAVE
AN ORGANIZED AND VISUALIZED
CHURCH. AN ORGANIZED AND VISUALIZED
CHURCH.
SO WE DON’T HAVE PEOPLE WHO CHURCH.
SO WE DON’T HAVE PEOPLE WHO
ARE THE, YOU MIGHT SAY, THE SO WE DON’T HAVE PEOPLE WHO
ARE THE, YOU MIGHT SAY, THE
EQUIVALENT OF A POPE, OR THE ARE THE, YOU MIGHT SAY, THE
EQUIVALENT OF A POPE, OR THE
HEAD OF A CHURCH TO MAKE EQUIVALENT OF A POPE, OR THE
HEAD OF A CHURCH TO MAKE
THOSE PRONOUNCEMENTS. HEAD OF A CHURCH TO MAKE
THOSE PRONOUNCEMENTS.
HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN THOSE PRONOUNCEMENTS.
HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN
ISLAMIC SCHOLARS WHO HAVE HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN
ISLAMIC SCHOLARS WHO HAVE
POSITIONS LIKE THE CHIEF ISLAMIC SCHOLARS WHO HAVE
POSITIONS LIKE THE CHIEF
MUFTIS OR MAJOR MUSLIM POSITIONS LIKE THE CHIEF
MUFTIS OR MAJOR MUSLIM
SCHOLARS WHO HAVE MADE SUCH MUFTIS OR MAJOR MUSLIM
SCHOLARS WHO HAVE MADE SUCH
PRONOUNCEMENTS. SCHOLARS WHO HAVE MADE SUCH
PRONOUNCEMENTS.
>>AND CON — AND CONDEMN PRONOUNCEMENTS.
>>AND CON — AND CONDEMN
THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE. >>AND CON — AND CONDEMN
THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THESE MESSAGES THESE ACTS OF VIOLENCE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THESE MESSAGES
ARE NOT HEARD. UNFORTUNATELY, THESE MESSAGES
ARE NOT HEARD.
>>WHY? ARE NOT HEARD.
>>WHY?
>>THE MEDIA DOESN’T COVER >>WHY?
>>THE MEDIA DOESN’T COVER
IT. >>THE MEDIA DOESN’T COVER
IT.
I, FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER 9/11, I IT.
I, FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER 9/11, I
WAS PART OF THE GROUP OF THE I, FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER 9/11, I
WAS PART OF THE GROUP OF THE
PEOPLE WHO CONDEMNED 9/11. WAS PART OF THE GROUP OF THE
PEOPLE WHO CONDEMNED 9/11.
I WAS APPROACHED — I’LL GIVE PEOPLE WHO CONDEMNED 9/11.
I WAS APPROACHED — I’LL GIVE
YOU A PARTICULAR STORY. I WAS APPROACHED — I’LL GIVE
YOU A PARTICULAR STORY.
THIS IS ONE OF SEVERAL. YOU A PARTICULAR STORY.
THIS IS ONE OF SEVERAL.
I WAS APPROACHED BY THE THIS IS ONE OF SEVERAL.
I WAS APPROACHED BY THE
RELIGIOUS EDITOR OF THE “NEW I WAS APPROACHED BY THE
RELIGIOUS EDITOR OF THE “NEW
YORK TIMES” ON AN ISSUE OF RELIGIOUS EDITOR OF THE “NEW
YORK TIMES” ON AN ISSUE OF
THE FATWA RAISED BY THE YORK TIMES” ON AN ISSUE OF
THE FATWA RAISED BY THE
MUSLIM CHAPLAIN OF THE U.S. THE FATWA RAISED BY THE
MUSLIM CHAPLAIN OF THE U.S.
ARMED FORCES WHO RAISED THE MUSLIM CHAPLAIN OF THE U.S.
ARMED FORCES WHO RAISED THE
QUESTION AS TO WHETHER IT WAS ARMED FORCES WHO RAISED THE
QUESTION AS TO WHETHER IT WAS
OKAY FOR MUSLIMS TO FIGHT IN QUESTION AS TO WHETHER IT WAS
OKAY FOR MUSLIMS TO FIGHT IN
THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN OKAY FOR MUSLIMS TO FIGHT IN
THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN
AGAINST BIN LADEN AND TO KILL THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN
AGAINST BIN LADEN AND TO KILL
HIM BECAUSE IT WOULD BE AGAINST BIN LADEN AND TO KILL
HIM BECAUSE IT WOULD BE
KILLING A FELLOW MUSLIM. HIM BECAUSE IT WOULD BE
KILLING A FELLOW MUSLIM.
THIS QUESTION WAS GIVEN TO KILLING A FELLOW MUSLIM.
THIS QUESTION WAS GIVEN TO
FIVE MAJOR MUFTIS IN THE ARAB THIS QUESTION WAS GIVEN TO
FIVE MAJOR MUFTIS IN THE ARAB
WORLD AND THEY DEFINED THIS FIVE MAJOR MUFTIS IN THE ARAB
WORLD AND THEY DEFINED THIS
ACT OF 9/11 AS AN ACT OF WORLD AND THEY DEFINED THIS
ACT OF 9/11 AS AN ACT OF
TERRORISM, HIRABAH, AND SAID ACT OF 9/11 AS AN ACT OF
TERRORISM, HIRABAH, AND SAID
IT IS A CAPITAL CRIME, AND TERRORISM, HIRABAH, AND SAID
IT IS A CAPITAL CRIME, AND
THIS WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH IT IS A CAPITAL CRIME, AND
THIS WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH
ISLAMIC LAW. THIS WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH
ISLAMIC LAW.
I BEGGED THEM TO PUT THIS ISLAMIC LAW.
I BEGGED THEM TO PUT THIS
STORY ON THE FRONT PAGE OF I BEGGED THEM TO PUT THIS
STORY ON THE FRONT PAGE OF
THE NATION CHALLENGE SECTION, STORY ON THE FRONT PAGE OF
THE NATION CHALLENGE SECTION,
IF NOT THE FRONT PAGE OF THE THE NATION CHALLENGE SECTION,
IF NOT THE FRONT PAGE OF THE
FIRST SECTION. IF NOT THE FRONT PAGE OF THE
FIRST SECTION.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS BURIED FIRST SECTION.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS BURIED
ON PAGE EIGHT OF THE NATION UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS BURIED
ON PAGE EIGHT OF THE NATION
CHALLENGE SECTION. ON PAGE EIGHT OF THE NATION
CHALLENGE SECTION.
THESE KINDS OF STORIES, I CHALLENGE SECTION.
THESE KINDS OF STORIES, I
THINK — THAT PARTICULAR — I THESE KINDS OF STORIES, I
THINK — THAT PARTICULAR — I
SAID THIS PARTICULAR STORY THINK — THAT PARTICULAR — I
SAID THIS PARTICULAR STORY
ABOUT THIS FATWA, AND SAID THIS PARTICULAR STORY
ABOUT THIS FATWA, AND
JURISPRUDENCE AND THE LOGIC ABOUT THIS FATWA, AND
JURISPRUDENCE AND THE LOGIC
BEHIND IT WOULD BE VERY JURISPRUDENCE AND THE LOGIC
BEHIND IT WOULD BE VERY
INTERESTING TO AMERICANS AND BEHIND IT WOULD BE VERY
INTERESTING TO AMERICANS AND
BE VERY IMPORTANT TO SHOW THE INTERESTING TO AMERICANS AND
BE VERY IMPORTANT TO SHOW THE
KIND OF UNDERSTANDING, THE BE VERY IMPORTANT TO SHOW THE
KIND OF UNDERSTANDING, THE
KIND OF OPINIONS WHICH ARE KIND OF UNDERSTANDING, THE
KIND OF OPINIONS WHICH ARE
AVAILABLE IN THE MUSLIM WORLD KIND OF OPINIONS WHICH ARE
AVAILABLE IN THE MUSLIM WORLD
ON THE ISSUE OF WOMEN. AVAILABLE IN THE MUSLIM WORLD
ON THE ISSUE OF WOMEN.
AND AGAIN, YOU’RE NOT AWARE ON THE ISSUE OF WOMEN.
AND AGAIN, YOU’RE NOT AWARE
OF THIS, BUT THE RETIRED AND AGAIN, YOU’RE NOT AWARE
OF THIS, BUT THE RETIRED
CHIEF JUSTICE OF MALAYSIA HAS OF THIS, BUT THE RETIRED
CHIEF JUSTICE OF MALAYSIA HAS
A VERY INTERESTING PAPER ON CHIEF JUSTICE OF MALAYSIA HAS
A VERY INTERESTING PAPER ON
THE ISSUE OF WOMEN, AND HOW A VERY INTERESTING PAPER ON
THE ISSUE OF WOMEN, AND HOW
HE INTERPRETED THE ISSUE OF THE ISSUE OF WOMEN, AND HOW
HE INTERPRETED THE ISSUE OF
— NOT HAVING BEEN FIXED BY HE INTERPRETED THE ISSUE OF
— NOT HAVING BEEN FIXED BY
THE TIME OF PROPHET BUT — NOT HAVING BEEN FIXED BY
THE TIME OF PROPHET BUT
HAVING BEEN INVOLVED. THE TIME OF PROPHET BUT
HAVING BEEN INVOLVED.
THE BANNING OF SLAVERY IS HAVING BEEN INVOLVED.
THE BANNING OF SLAVERY IS
CONSISTENT WITH THESEITH THE BANNING OF SLAVERY IS
CONSISTENT WITH THESEITH
O’CLOCKS. CONSISTENT WITH THESEITH
O’CLOCKS.
SO HE ARGUED ON A SIMILAR O’CLOCKS.
SO HE ARGUED ON A SIMILAR
BASIS, ACCOMPLISHED FOR WOMEN SO HE ARGUED ON A SIMILAR
BASIS, ACCOMPLISHED FOR WOMEN
IN THAT TIME, THAT WE TOO AS BASIS, ACCOMPLISHED FOR WOMEN
IN THAT TIME, THAT WE TOO AS
TIME GOES ON HAVE TO ADVANCE IN THAT TIME, THAT WE TOO AS
TIME GOES ON HAVE TO ADVANCE
THE ULTIMATE OBJECTIVES OF TIME GOES ON HAVE TO ADVANCE
THE ULTIMATE OBJECTIVES OF
ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE TO THE ULTIMATE OBJECTIVES OF
ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE TO
CONTINUOUSLY PERFECT THE ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE TO
CONTINUOUSLY PERFECT THE
REALITY OF THE COMMUNITY TO CONTINUOUSLY PERFECT THE
REALITY OF THE COMMUNITY TO
THE IDEALS OF OUR FAITH. REALITY OF THE COMMUNITY TO
THE IDEALS OF OUR FAITH.
SO THESE DEBATES HAVE BEEN THE IDEALS OF OUR FAITH.
SO THESE DEBATES HAVE BEEN
GOING ON. SO THESE DEBATES HAVE BEEN
GOING ON.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU GOING ON.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU
DON’T HEAR ABOUT THEM. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU
DON’T HEAR ABOUT THEM.
>>THERE’S NO CHARGE. DON’T HEAR ABOUT THEM.
>>THERE’S NO CHARGE.
THERE’S NO CALL COUNTRY THAT >>THERE’S NO CHARGE.
THERE’S NO CALL COUNTRY THAT
CAN SAY NOW, THIS IS THE THERE’S NO CALL COUNTRY THAT
CAN SAY NOW, THIS IS THE
DIRECTION WE’RE GOING IN. CAN SAY NOW, THIS IS THE
DIRECTION WE’RE GOING IN.
BUT TODAY, I’VE BEEN FOLLOW DIRECTION WE’RE GOING IN.
BUT TODAY, I’VE BEEN FOLLOW
ING THE ARAB SPRING AND BUT TODAY, I’VE BEEN FOLLOW
ING THE ARAB SPRING AND
I SEE GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENTS, ING THE ARAB SPRING AND
I SEE GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENTS,
WOMEN THAT ORGANIZE I SEE GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENTS,
WOMEN THAT ORGANIZE
THEMSELVES IN THE VARIOUS WOMEN THAT ORGANIZE
THEMSELVES IN THE VARIOUS
COUNTRIES WHO ARE FIGHTING THEMSELVES IN THE VARIOUS
COUNTRIES WHO ARE FIGHTING
FOR THEIR RIGHTS, HEM SEXUALS COUNTRIES WHO ARE FIGHTING
FOR THEIR RIGHTS, HEM SEXUALS
WHO ORGANIZE THEMSELVES, FOR THEIR RIGHTS, HEM SEXUALS
WHO ORGANIZE THEMSELVES,
EX-MUSLIMS, MAAJID, WHAT IS WHO ORGANIZE THEMSELVES,
EX-MUSLIMS, MAAJID, WHAT IS
YOUR STATUS. EX-MUSLIMS, MAAJID, WHAT IS
YOUR STATUS.
ALMOST — YOUR STATUS.
ALMOST —
>>GET EXCOMMUNICATED. ALMOST —
>>GET EXCOMMUNICATED.
>>ALMOSTEX MUSLIM. >>GET EXCOMMUNICATED.
>>ALMOSTEX MUSLIM.
SO THERE ARE — >>ALMOSTEX MUSLIM.
SO THERE ARE —
>>[LAUGHTER] SO THERE ARE —
>>[LAUGHTER]
>>IS SHE GOING TO GET ME >>[LAUGHTER]
>>IS SHE GOING TO GET ME
KILLED OR WHAT? >>IS SHE GOING TO GET ME
KILLED OR WHAT?
>>I’M HAPPY WITH YOUR KILLED OR WHAT?
>>I’M HAPPY WITH YOUR
EVOLUTION. >>I’M HAPPY WITH YOUR
EVOLUTION.
WE DEBATED THREE YEARS AGO. EVOLUTION.
WE DEBATED THREE YEARS AGO.
WHAT YOU SAID TONIGHT AND WE DEBATED THREE YEARS AGO.
WHAT YOU SAID TONIGHT AND
THREE YEARS AGO ARE QUITE WHAT YOU SAID TONIGHT AND
THREE YEARS AGO ARE QUITE
DIFFERENT AND IT’S AN THREE YEARS AGO ARE QUITE
DIFFERENT AND IT’S AN
EVOLUTION I’M HAPPY WITH! DIFFERENT AND IT’S AN
EVOLUTION I’M HAPPY WITH!
>> [LAUGHTER] EVOLUTION I’M HAPPY WITH!
>> [LAUGHTER]
>>THERE ARE THESE SEEMINGLY >> [LAUGHTER]
>>THERE ARE THESE SEEMINGLY
SMALL GROUPS, BUT THEY ARE A >>THERE ARE THESE SEEMINGLY
SMALL GROUPS, BUT THEY ARE A
GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE, AND SMALL GROUPS, BUT THEY ARE A
GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE, AND
I THINK IN A WAY, IT IS GOOD GROWING NUMBER OF PEOPLE, AND
I THINK IN A WAY, IT IS GOOD
THAT WE NO LONGER NEED — AND I THINK IN A WAY, IT IS GOOD
THAT WE NO LONGER NEED — AND
I REALLY MEAN RESPECTFULLY — THAT WE NO LONGER NEED — AND
I REALLY MEAN RESPECTFULLY —
THE HOUSE OF ISLAM IS NO I REALLY MEAN RESPECTFULLY —
THE HOUSE OF ISLAM IS NO
LONGER GOING TO RELY ON THE THE HOUSE OF ISLAM IS NO
LONGER GOING TO RELY ON THE
CLERGYMEN AND MUSLIM SCHOLARS LONGER GOING TO RELY ON THE
CLERGYMEN AND MUSLIM SCHOLARS
TO ADVANCE THE QUALITY OF CLERGYMEN AND MUSLIM SCHOLARS
TO ADVANCE THE QUALITY OF
THEIR LIVES AND TO LIVE TO ADVANCE THE QUALITY OF
THEIR LIVES AND TO LIVE
ACCORDING TO THEIR THEIR LIVES AND TO LIVE
ACCORDING TO THEIR
CONSCIENCES. ACCORDING TO THEIR
CONSCIENCES.
PEOPLE ARE TAKING THAT CONSCIENCES.
PEOPLE ARE TAKING THAT
OPPORTUNITY THEMSELVES. PEOPLE ARE TAKING THAT
OPPORTUNITY THEMSELVES.
AND IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF OPPORTUNITY THEMSELVES.
AND IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF
TIME BEFORE EITHER THERE IS A AND IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF
TIME BEFORE EITHER THERE IS A
REFORMATION OR THE MAJORITY TIME BEFORE EITHER THERE IS A
REFORMATION OR THE MAJORITY
OF MUSLIMS WILL BE REFORMATION OR THE MAJORITY
OF MUSLIMS WILL BE
EX-MUSLIMS. OF MUSLIMS WILL BE
EX-MUSLIMS.
>>[APPLAUSE] EX-MUSLIMS.
>>[APPLAUSE]
>>I HAVE A QUESTION. >>[APPLAUSE]
>>I HAVE A QUESTION.
IT’S NOT SIGNED, BUT IT’S A >>I HAVE A QUESTION.
IT’S NOT SIGNED, BUT IT’S A
PRETTY GOOD QUESTION. IT’S NOT SIGNED, BUT IT’S A
PRETTY GOOD QUESTION.
THE WORD JIHAD HAS NOT COME PRETTY GOOD QUESTION.
THE WORD JIHAD HAS NOT COME
UP ONCE TONIGHT. THE WORD JIHAD HAS NOT COME
UP ONCE TONIGHT.
IS THIS TERM NOT A HUGE PART UP ONCE TONIGHT.
IS THIS TERM NOT A HUGE PART
OF THE PERCEPTION OF ISLAM AS IS THIS TERM NOT A HUGE PART
OF THE PERCEPTION OF ISLAM AS
A VIOLENT RELIGION? OF THE PERCEPTION OF ISLAM AS
A VIOLENT RELIGION?
>>CERTAINLY. A VIOLENT RELIGION?
>>CERTAINLY.
THE WORD JIHAD MEANS TO >>CERTAINLY.
THE WORD JIHAD MEANS TO
STRIVE IN THE WAY OF GOD, AND THE WORD JIHAD MEANS TO
STRIVE IN THE WAY OF GOD, AND
STRIVING IN THE WAY OF GOD IS STRIVE IN THE WAY OF GOD, AND
STRIVING IN THE WAY OF GOD IS
SOMETHING THAT ALL OF US ARE STRIVING IN THE WAY OF GOD IS
SOMETHING THAT ALL OF US ARE
MEANT TO DO. SOMETHING THAT ALL OF US ARE
MEANT TO DO.
THE WORD JIHAD IN OUR MEANT TO DO.
THE WORD JIHAD IN OUR
JURISPRUDENCE, THEOLOGIES, THE WORD JIHAD IN OUR
JURISPRUDENCE, THEOLOGIES,
REFERS NOT ONLY TO AN ACT OF JURISPRUDENCE, THEOLOGIES,
REFERS NOT ONLY TO AN ACT OF
A JUST WAR, BUT THE PROPHET REFERS NOT ONLY TO AN ACT OF
A JUST WAR, BUT THE PROPHET
SAID IN ONE OF HIS MAJOR A JUST WAR, BUT THE PROPHET
SAID IN ONE OF HIS MAJOR
SAYINGS AFTER HE CAME BACK SAID IN ONE OF HIS MAJOR
SAYINGS AFTER HE CAME BACK
FROM BATTLE, HE SAID WE ARE SAYINGS AFTER HE CAME BACK
FROM BATTLE, HE SAID WE ARE
RETURNING FROM THE MINOR FROM BATTLE, HE SAID WE ARE
RETURNING FROM THE MINOR
JIHAD TO THE GREATER JIHAD, RETURNING FROM THE MINOR
JIHAD TO THE GREATER JIHAD,
AND WHEN HIS COMPANIONS WERE JIHAD TO THE GREATER JIHAD,
AND WHEN HIS COMPANIONS WERE
BOTHERED BY IT, HE SAID THE AND WHEN HIS COMPANIONS WERE
BOTHERED BY IT, HE SAID THE
JIHAD AGAINST ITSELF, SO THE BOTHERED BY IT, HE SAID THE
JIHAD AGAINST ITSELF, SO THE
CONCEPT OF JIHAD REALLY IS JIHAD AGAINST ITSELF, SO THE
CONCEPT OF JIHAD REALLY IS
THE CONSTANT STRIVING THAT WE CONCEPT OF JIHAD REALLY IS
THE CONSTANT STRIVING THAT WE
HAVE TO IMPROVE BOTH THE CONSTANT STRIVING THAT WE
HAVE TO IMPROVE BOTH
OURSELVES AND OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE TO IMPROVE BOTH
OURSELVES AND OUR COMMUNITIES
AND THE WORLD, OR A PWR-B OURSELVES AND OUR COMMUNITIES
AND THE WORLD, OR A PWR-B
PLACE. AND THE WORLD, OR A PWR-B
PLACE.
— TO BE BETTER PLACE. PLACE.
— TO BE BETTER PLACE.
OF COURSE, THE MILITARY — TO BE BETTER PLACE.
OF COURSE, THE MILITARY
ASPECT IS ONE INTERPRETATION, OF COURSE, THE MILITARY
ASPECT IS ONE INTERPRETATION,
AND THAT’S THE ONE WHICH HAS ASPECT IS ONE INTERPRETATION,
AND THAT’S THE ONE WHICH HAS
BECOME MORE EMPHASIZED IN THE AND THAT’S THE ONE WHICH HAS
BECOME MORE EMPHASIZED IN THE
PERCEPTION OF MANY NONMUSLIMS BECOME MORE EMPHASIZED IN THE
PERCEPTION OF MANY NONMUSLIMS
AND IN THE PERCEPTION OF THE PERCEPTION OF MANY NONMUSLIMS
AND IN THE PERCEPTION OF THE
MILITANTS, THE KIND OF PEOPLE AND IN THE PERCEPTION OF THE
MILITANTS, THE KIND OF PEOPLE
WHO RECRUIT THE KIND OF MILITANTS, THE KIND OF PEOPLE
WHO RECRUIT THE KIND OF
PEOPLE THAT MAAJID WAS. WHO RECRUIT THE KIND OF
PEOPLE THAT MAAJID WAS.
>>SO JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT, PEOPLE THAT MAAJID WAS.
>>SO JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT,
WHAT AAYAN SAID ABOUT MY >>SO JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT,
WHAT AAYAN SAID ABOUT MY
STATE OF FAITH — LOOK, I WHAT AAYAN SAID ABOUT MY
STATE OF FAITH — LOOK, I
WANT TO TELL A STORY HERE, STATE OF FAITH — LOOK, I
WANT TO TELL A STORY HERE,
OKAY? WANT TO TELL A STORY HERE,
OKAY?
I JOINED THE RADICAL ISLAMIST OKAY?
I JOINED THE RADICAL ISLAMIST
GROUP, HIZB UT-TAHRIR, AT 16 I JOINED THE RADICAL ISLAMIST
GROUP, HIZB UT-TAHRIR, AT 16
YEARS OLD. GROUP, HIZB UT-TAHRIR, AT 16
YEARS OLD.
I USED TO TRY AND RECRUIT YEARS OLD.
I USED TO TRY AND RECRUIT
PEOPLE. I USED TO TRY AND RECRUIT
PEOPLE.
AS I MENTIONED, I DIDN’T PEOPLE.
AS I MENTIONED, I DIDN’T
SKWRAOEUPB FELLOW MOSQUE. AS I MENTIONED, I DIDN’T
SKWRAOEUPB FELLOW MOSQUE.
WE TRIED TO RECRUIT PEOPLE SKWRAOEUPB FELLOW MOSQUE.
WE TRIED TO RECRUIT PEOPLE
FROM MOSQUES. WE TRIED TO RECRUIT PEOPLE
FROM MOSQUES.
AROUND THE AGE OF 18 YEARS FROM MOSQUES.
AROUND THE AGE OF 18 YEARS
OLD, I WAS PUNCHED AROUND THE AROUND THE AGE OF 18 YEARS
OLD, I WAS PUNCHED AROUND THE
FACE OUTSIDE OF A MOSQUE BY A OLD, I WAS PUNCHED AROUND THE
FACE OUTSIDE OF A MOSQUE BY A
MOSQUE WORSHIPER WHO CAME OUT FACE OUTSIDE OF A MOSQUE BY A
MOSQUE WORSHIPER WHO CAME OUT
AND SAID YOU ARE RUINING OUR MOSQUE WORSHIPER WHO CAME OUT
AND SAID YOU ARE RUINING OUR
IMAGE AND RELIGION. AND SAID YOU ARE RUINING OUR
IMAGE AND RELIGION.
YOU ARE PERVERTING OUR FAITH. IMAGE AND RELIGION.
YOU ARE PERVERTING OUR FAITH.
GET AWAY FROM HERE. YOU ARE PERVERTING OUR FAITH.
GET AWAY FROM HERE.
I REFUSED TO MOVE. GET AWAY FROM HERE.
I REFUSED TO MOVE.
MY FLYER THAT I WAS HANDING I REFUSED TO MOVE.
MY FLYER THAT I WAS HANDING
OUT SIMPLY SAID MOHAMMED WAS MY FLYER THAT I WAS HANDING
OUT SIMPLY SAID MOHAMMED WAS
A POLITICIAN. OUT SIMPLY SAID MOHAMMED WAS
A POLITICIAN.
THAT’S ALL IT SAID. A POLITICIAN.
THAT’S ALL IT SAID.
AND THAT PROVOKED HIM, THAT’S ALL IT SAID.
AND THAT PROVOKED HIM,
BECAUSE HE SAID HOW DARE YOU AND THAT PROVOKED HIM,
BECAUSE HE SAID HOW DARE YOU
BRING POLITICS INTO OUR BECAUSE HE SAID HOW DARE YOU
BRING POLITICS INTO OUR
MOSQUE, GET AWAY FROM HERE. BRING POLITICS INTO OUR
MOSQUE, GET AWAY FROM HERE.
AND HE PUNCHED ME IN THE FACE MOSQUE, GET AWAY FROM HERE.
AND HE PUNCHED ME IN THE FACE
AND BASICALLY THERE WAS A BIT AND HE PUNCHED ME IN THE FACE
AND BASICALLY THERE WAS A BIT
OF A STRUGGLE AND I LEFT IN AND BASICALLY THERE WAS A BIT
OF A STRUGGLE AND I LEFT IN
THE END. OF A STRUGGLE AND I LEFT IN
THE END.
I WAS TOO SMALL TO SORT OF — THE END.
I WAS TOO SMALL TO SORT OF —
HE WAS QUITE A BIG MAN. I WAS TOO SMALL TO SORT OF —
HE WAS QUITE A BIG MAN.
>>I BET YOU LIKE THAT GUY HE WAS QUITE A BIG MAN.
>>I BET YOU LIKE THAT GUY
NOW. >>I BET YOU LIKE THAT GUY
NOW.
>>WELL, THIS IS WHAT NOW.
>>WELL, THIS IS WHAT
HAPPENED NEXT. >>WELL, THIS IS WHAT
HAPPENED NEXT.
FAST FORWARD 10 YEARS, WELL, HAPPENED NEXT.
FAST FORWARD 10 YEARS, WELL,
15 YEARS, AND I LEFT H*EUB FAST FORWARD 10 YEARS, WELL,
15 YEARS, AND I LEFT H*EUB
H*EUB, AND I BEGAN TRYING TO 15 YEARS, AND I LEFT H*EUB
H*EUB, AND I BEGAN TRYING TO
— I WAS IN PAKISTAN, AND I’M H*EUB, AND I BEGAN TRYING TO
— I WAS IN PAKISTAN, AND I’M
BASICALLY TRYING TO TELL — I WAS IN PAKISTAN, AND I’M
BASICALLY TRYING TO TELL
YOUNG MUSLIMS THERE THAT WE BASICALLY TRYING TO TELL
YOUNG MUSLIMS THERE THAT WE
MUST NOT CRIT KAOEUZ OUR YOUNG MUSLIMS THERE THAT WE
MUST NOT CRIT KAOEUZ OUR
RELIGION — CRITICIZE OUR MUST NOT CRIT KAOEUZ OUR
RELIGION — CRITICIZE OUR
RELIGION AND I GOT PUNCHED IN RELIGION — CRITICIZE OUR
RELIGION AND I GOT PUNCHED IN
THE FACE AGAIN! RELIGION AND I GOT PUNCHED IN
THE FACE AGAIN!
THIS TIME, BAY MEMBER OF MY THE FACE AGAIN!
THIS TIME, BAY MEMBER OF MY
FORMER GROUP. THIS TIME, BAY MEMBER OF MY
FORMER GROUP.
HE JUMPED ACROSS AND — HE FORMER GROUP.
HE JUMPED ACROSS AND — HE
WAS AN AMATEUR BOXER SO AGAIN HE JUMPED ACROSS AND — HE
WAS AN AMATEUR BOXER SO AGAIN
I HAD NO CHANCE, HE KNOCKED WAS AN AMATEUR BOXER SO AGAIN
I HAD NO CHANCE, HE KNOCKED
ME TO THE FLOOR. I HAD NO CHANCE, HE KNOCKED
ME TO THE FLOOR.
THE MORALE IS THE FOLLOWING: ME TO THE FLOOR.
THE MORALE IS THE FOLLOWING:
LOOK, DEBATES MOVE ON AND THE MORALE IS THE FOLLOWING:
LOOK, DEBATES MOVE ON AND
IDEAS CHANGE. LOOK, DEBATES MOVE ON AND
IDEAS CHANGE.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED IDEAS CHANGE.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED
PREACHING ISLAMISM, IT WAS WHEN I FIRST STARTED
PREACHING ISLAMISM, IT WAS
ALIEN TO MUZ FILM EARS TO THE PREACHING ISLAMISM, IT WAS
ALIEN TO MUZ FILM EARS TO THE
POINT WHERE IT PROVOKED ALIEN TO MUZ FILM EARS TO THE
POINT WHERE IT PROVOKED
VIOLENCE. POINT WHERE IT PROVOKED
VIOLENCE.
BY THE TIME I TRIED TO VIOLENCE.
BY THE TIME I TRIED TO
REVERSE THE ISLAMISM THAT I BY THE TIME I TRIED TO
REVERSE THE ISLAMISM THAT I
PLAYED A PART IN PROPAGATING, REVERSE THE ISLAMISM THAT I
PLAYED A PART IN PROPAGATING,
IT WAS A DEFAULT, AND SAYING PLAYED A PART IN PROPAGATING,
IT WAS A DEFAULT, AND SAYING
WE MUST DIVORCE ISLAM FROM IT WAS A DEFAULT, AND SAYING
WE MUST DIVORCE ISLAM FROM
POLITICS BECAME ALIEN TO WE MUST DIVORCE ISLAM FROM
POLITICS BECAME ALIEN TO
MUSLIM EARS, AND THIS IS MY POLITICS BECAME ALIEN TO
MUSLIM EARS, AND THIS IS MY
POINT. MUSLIM EARS, AND THIS IS MY
POINT.
WHEN I DEBATED YOU TWO YEARS POINT.
WHEN I DEBATED YOU TWO YEARS
AGO, BASICALLY THE DEBATE HAS WHEN I DEBATED YOU TWO YEARS
AGO, BASICALLY THE DEBATE HAS
MOVED. AGO, BASICALLY THE DEBATE HAS
MOVED.
IT’S SHIFTED EVEN SINCE THEN. MOVED.
IT’S SHIFTED EVEN SINCE THEN.
I AM ABLE TO SAY A LOT MORE IT’S SHIFTED EVEN SINCE THEN.
I AM ABLE TO SAY A LOT MORE
THINGS OPENLY NOW THAN I WAS I AM ABLE TO SAY A LOT MORE
THINGS OPENLY NOW THAN I WAS
EVEN THEN. THINGS OPENLY NOW THAN I WAS
EVEN THEN.
>>EVEN IN TWO YEARS. EVEN THEN.
>>EVEN IN TWO YEARS.
>>EVEN WITHIN TWO YEARS. >>EVEN IN TWO YEARS.
>>EVEN WITHIN TWO YEARS.
THE DEBATE HAS SHIFTED TO A >>EVEN WITHIN TWO YEARS.
THE DEBATE HAS SHIFTED TO A
POINT WHERE I CAN SIT HERE THE DEBATE HAS SHIFTED TO A
POINT WHERE I CAN SIT HERE
AND SAY OPENLY, FEELING POINT WHERE I CAN SIT HERE
AND SAY OPENLY, FEELING
RELATIVELY MORE SECURE FOR MY AND SAY OPENLY, FEELING
RELATIVELY MORE SECURE FOR MY
POSITION IN BRITAIN, THAT WE RELATIVELY MORE SECURE FOR MY
POSITION IN BRITAIN, THAT WE
HAVE TO AS MUSLIMS COME TO POSITION IN BRITAIN, THAT WE
HAVE TO AS MUSLIMS COME TO
TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT WHEN HAVE TO AS MUSLIMS COME TO
TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT WHEN
PEOPLE’S CONSCIENCE TELLS TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT WHEN
PEOPLE’S CONSCIENCE TELLS
THEM TO LEAVE THE FAITH, THEY PEOPLE’S CONSCIENCE TELLS
THEM TO LEAVE THE FAITH, THEY
ARE OBHRAOEUPBLG DOLLARS TO THEM TO LEAVE THE FAITH, THEY
ARE OBHRAOEUPBLG DOLLARS TO
— OBAOEUPBLG DOLLARS — ARE OBHRAOEUPBLG DOLLARS TO
— OBAOEUPBLG DOLLARS —
OBLIGED TO FOLLOW THEIR — OBAOEUPBLG DOLLARS —
OBLIGED TO FOLLOW THEIR
CONSCIENCE. OBLIGED TO FOLLOW THEIR
CONSCIENCE.
I CAN SAY THAT CONFIDENTLY CONSCIENCE.
I CAN SAY THAT CONFIDENTLY
BECAUSE I KNOW AMONG THE I CAN SAY THAT CONFIDENTLY
BECAUSE I KNOW AMONG THE
THEOLOGICAL DISCOURSE THAT BECAUSE I KNOW AMONG THE
THEOLOGICAL DISCOURSE THAT
DEBATE GLOBALLY HAS SHIFTED, THEOLOGICAL DISCOURSE THAT
DEBATE GLOBALLY HAS SHIFTED,
SO I AM OPTIMISTIC THAT DEBATE GLOBALLY HAS SHIFTED,
SO I AM OPTIMISTIC THAT
THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD AS SO I AM OPTIMISTIC THAT
THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD AS
WELL. THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD AS
WELL.
>>ONE COMMENT. WELL.
>>ONE COMMENT.
IN 2003, WE MET AN AYATOLLAH, >>ONE COMMENT.
IN 2003, WE MET AN AYATOLLAH,
WHOSE NAME I SHALL NOT IN 2003, WE MET AN AYATOLLAH,
WHOSE NAME I SHALL NOT
MENTION, WHO WAS UNDER HOUSE WHOSE NAME I SHALL NOT
MENTION, WHO WAS UNDER HOUSE
ARREST AT THE TIME, AND HE MENTION, WHO WAS UNDER HOUSE
ARREST AT THE TIME, AND HE
TOLD US, WHOEVER FOLLOWS HIS ARREST AT THE TIME, AND HE
TOLD US, WHOEVER FOLLOWS HIS
OR HER CONSCIENCE, TRULY TOLD US, WHOEVER FOLLOWS HIS
OR HER CONSCIENCE, TRULY
FOLLOWS THEIR CONSCIENCE, IS OR HER CONSCIENCE, TRULY
FOLLOWS THEIR CONSCIENCE, IS
A MUSLIM, EVEN IF THEY ARE FOLLOWS THEIR CONSCIENCE, IS
A MUSLIM, EVEN IF THEY ARE
PROSY SIZED. A MUSLIM, EVEN IF THEY ARE
PROSY SIZED.
— PROSELYTIZED. PROSY SIZED.
— PROSELYTIZED.
>>SO YOU’RE IN! — PROSELYTIZED.
>>SO YOU’RE IN!
>> THE NEXT QUESTION, I AM >>SO YOU’RE IN!
>> THE NEXT QUESTION, I AM
VIRTUALLY CERTAIN YOU HAVE >> THE NEXT QUESTION, I AM
VIRTUALLY CERTAIN YOU HAVE
NOT PREPARED AN ANSWER FOR VIRTUALLY CERTAIN YOU HAVE
NOT PREPARED AN ANSWER FOR
THIS, ANY ONE OF THE THREE OF NOT PREPARED AN ANSWER FOR
THIS, ANY ONE OF THE THREE OF
YOU. THIS, ANY ONE OF THE THREE OF
YOU.
WE CHANGE THE WORLD BY WHAT YOU.
WE CHANGE THE WORLD BY WHAT
WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN. WE CHANGE THE WORLD BY WHAT
WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN.
WHAT WOULD MOHAMMED SAY IF HE WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN.
WHAT WOULD MOHAMMED SAY IF HE
WERE A MODERN DAY PROPHET TO WHAT WOULD MOHAMMED SAY IF HE
WERE A MODERN DAY PROPHET TO
ALL OUR CHILDREN ON FACEBOOK WERE A MODERN DAY PROPHET TO
ALL OUR CHILDREN ON FACEBOOK
AND TWITTER? ALL OUR CHILDREN ON FACEBOOK
AND TWITTER?
AND PLEASE REMEMBER, THAT BY AND TWITTER?
AND PLEASE REMEMBER, THAT BY
OUR CHILDREN, WE MEAN AND PLEASE REMEMBER, THAT BY
OUR CHILDREN, WE MEAN
CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, BUDDHIST, OUR CHILDREN, WE MEAN
CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, BUDDHIST,
AGNOSTIC, ATHEIST AND SO ON. CHRISTIAN, MUSLIM, BUDDHIST,
AGNOSTIC, ATHEIST AND SO ON.
>>WELL, I CAN’T SPEAK FOR A AGNOSTIC, ATHEIST AND SO ON.
>>WELL, I CAN’T SPEAK FOR A
DEAD MAN. >>WELL, I CAN’T SPEAK FOR A
DEAD MAN.
IT’S A HYPOTHETICAL. DEAD MAN.
IT’S A HYPOTHETICAL.
I WOULD SAY THAT FOR PEOPLE IT’S A HYPOTHETICAL.
I WOULD SAY THAT FOR PEOPLE
WHO, YOU KNOW — MOHAMMED I WOULD SAY THAT FOR PEOPLE
WHO, YOU KNOW — MOHAMMED
CAME, AND HE INNOVATED WHO, YOU KNOW — MOHAMMED
CAME, AND HE INNOVATED
RELIGION PH MECCA — IN CAME, AND HE INNOVATED
RELIGION PH MECCA — IN
MECCA, IN HIS OWN TILE AND RELIGION PH MECCA — IN
MECCA, IN HIS OWN TILE AND
PERHAPS HE WOULD INNOVATE. MECCA, IN HIS OWN TILE AND
PERHAPS HE WOULD INNOVATE.
HE WOULD PROBABLY THROW ONE PERHAPS HE WOULD INNOVATE.
HE WOULD PROBABLY THROW ONE
SIDE OF THE CURAN INTO THE HE WOULD PROBABLY THROW ONE
SIDE OF THE CURAN INTO THE
RUBBISH BIN AND SAY LET’S SIDE OF THE CURAN INTO THE
RUBBISH BIN AND SAY LET’S
START ALL OVER AGAIN. RUBBISH BIN AND SAY LET’S
START ALL OVER AGAIN.
AND MAYBE HE WAS THE ONLY ONE START ALL OVER AGAIN.
AND MAYBE HE WAS THE ONLY ONE
THAT WHO COULD DO IT. AND MAYBE HE WAS THE ONLY ONE
THAT WHO COULD DO IT.
>>IF HE HAD DONE THAT, HE THAT WHO COULD DO IT.
>>IF HE HAD DONE THAT, HE
WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF >>IF HE HAD DONE THAT, HE
WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF
GOD TO DO SO, SO IT WOULD WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF
GOD TO DO SO, SO IT WOULD
STILL BE A REVELATION. GOD TO DO SO, SO IT WOULD
STILL BE A REVELATION.
>>WHY DO YOU NEED PROPHET STILL BE A REVELATION.
>>WHY DO YOU NEED PROPHET
TOSS MAKE CHANGES? >>WHY DO YOU NEED PROPHET
TOSS MAKE CHANGES?
>>I DIDN’T SAY — I WAS TOSS MAKE CHANGES?
>>I DIDN’T SAY — I WAS
SAYING — >>I DIDN’T SAY — I WAS
SAYING —
>>ARE WE ON FACEBOOK? SAYING —
>>ARE WE ON FACEBOOK?
>>TAS — FACEBOOK AND >>ARE WE ON FACEBOOK?
>>TAS — FACEBOOK AND
TWITTER. >>TAS — FACEBOOK AND
TWITTER.
>>THE PROPHET MOHAMMED WAS TWITTER.
>>THE PROPHET MOHAMMED WAS
RELATIVELY PROGRESSIVE FOR >>THE PROPHET MOHAMMED WAS
RELATIVELY PROGRESSIVE FOR
THE DESERT AGE THEY CAME RELATIVELY PROGRESSIVE FOR
THE DESERT AGE THEY CAME
FROM, RIGHT? THE DESERT AGE THEY CAME
FROM, RIGHT?
SO I THINK IN THAT SPIRIT, IF FROM, RIGHT?
SO I THINK IN THAT SPIRIT, IF
HE WAS AROUND TODAY, HE WOULD SO I THINK IN THAT SPIRIT, IF
HE WAS AROUND TODAY, HE WOULD
PROBABLY TELL THE MUSLIMS HE WAS AROUND TODAY, HE WOULD
PROBABLY TELL THE MUSLIMS
THAT HE SEES TO GET OUT THE PROBABLY TELL THE MUSLIMS
THAT HE SEES TO GET OUT THE
STONE AGE, OUT OF THE THAT HE SEES TO GET OUT THE
STONE AGE, OUT OF THE
MEDIEVAL ERA, AND GET WITH STONE AGE, OUT OF THE
MEDIEVAL ERA, AND GET WITH
THE TIMES. MEDIEVAL ERA, AND GET WITH
THE TIMES.
>>DAVID AND JANE CURNEY ASK, THE TIMES.
>>DAVID AND JANE CURNEY ASK,
WHAT CAN AMERICA DO TO HELP? >>DAVID AND JANE CURNEY ASK,
WHAT CAN AMERICA DO TO HELP?
>>I HAVE A REQUEST. WHAT CAN AMERICA DO TO HELP?
>>I HAVE A REQUEST.
AMERICANS, SINCE >>I HAVE A REQUEST.
AMERICANS, SINCE
SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, HAS BEEN AMERICANS, SINCE
SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, HAS BEEN
HELPING AND FOCUSING, AND SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, HAS BEEN
HELPING AND FOCUSING, AND
PICKING LEADERS, THOSE WHO HELPING AND FOCUSING, AND
PICKING LEADERS, THOSE WHO
SAY ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PICKING LEADERS, THOSE WHO
SAY ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF
PEACE AND WHO TRY TO SAY ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF
PEACE AND WHO TRY TO
INTERPRET THIS AND TRIES TO PEACE AND WHO TRY TO
INTERPRET THIS AND TRIES TO
TELL US WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR. INTERPRET THIS AND TRIES TO
TELL US WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR.
I WANT TO SAY, PLEASE, TELL US WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR.
I WANT TO SAY, PLEASE,
AMERICANS, WHETHER IT IS I WANT TO SAY, PLEASE,
AMERICANS, WHETHER IT IS
POLITICIANS OR CIVIL SOCIETY, AMERICANS, WHETHER IT IS
POLITICIANS OR CIVIL SOCIETY,
THERE ARE NOW INDIVIDUALS, POLITICIANS OR CIVIL SOCIETY,
THERE ARE NOW INDIVIDUALS,
ESPECIALLY IN THOSE ARAB THERE ARE NOW INDIVIDUALS,
ESPECIALLY IN THOSE ARAB
SPRING COUNTRIES, WOMEN ESPECIALLY IN THOSE ARAB
SPRING COUNTRIES, WOMEN
FIGHTING FOR OUR WOMEN’S SPRING COUNTRIES, WOMEN
FIGHTING FOR OUR WOMEN’S
RIGHTS, HOMOSEXUAL MUSLIMS FIGHTING FOR OUR WOMEN’S
RIGHTS, HOMOSEXUAL MUSLIMS
FIGHTING FOR THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS, HOMOSEXUAL MUSLIMS
FIGHTING FOR THEIR CIVIL
RIGHTS, RELIGIOUS MINORITIES, FIGHTING FOR THEIR CIVIL
RIGHTS, RELIGIOUS MINORITIES,
THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS AND RIGHTS, RELIGIOUS MINORITIES,
THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS AND
THE GROUPS THAT YOU NEED TO THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS AND
THE GROUPS THAT YOU NEED TO
HELP. THE GROUPS THAT YOU NEED TO
HELP.
THEY ARE FLOUNDERING, THEY HELP.
THEY ARE FLOUNDERING, THEY
ARE UNDERRESOURCED, AND THEY THEY ARE FLOUNDERING, THEY
ARE UNDERRESOURCED, AND THEY
ARE OUR ALEYES WHEN IT COMES ARE UNDERRESOURCED, AND THEY
ARE OUR ALEYES WHEN IT COMES
TO OUR — ALLIES WHEN IT ARE OUR ALEYES WHEN IT COMES
TO OUR — ALLIES WHEN IT
COMES TO OUR VALUE SYSTEMS OF TO OUR — ALLIES WHEN IT
COMES TO OUR VALUE SYSTEMS OF
INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM AND COMES TO OUR VALUE SYSTEMS OF
INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM AND
CONSCIENCE. INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM AND
CONSCIENCE.
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED CONSCIENCE.
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED
OUR HELP. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO NEED
OUR HELP.
WE NEED TO SHIFT AND START OUR HELP.
WE NEED TO SHIFT AND START
HELPING THEM. WE NEED TO SHIFT AND START
HELPING THEM.
>> HELPING THEM.
>>
>>IMAM, SAME QUESTION, WHAT >>
>>IMAM, SAME QUESTION, WHAT
CAN AMERICA DO TO HELP? >>IMAM, SAME QUESTION, WHAT
CAN AMERICA DO TO HELP?
>>AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, CAN AMERICA DO TO HELP?
>>AS I MENTIONED EARLIER,
THE REAL BATTLEFRONT IS NOT >>AS I MENTIONED EARLIER,
THE REAL BATTLEFRONT IS NOT
BETWEEN AMERICANS AND MUSLIMS THE REAL BATTLEFRONT IS NOT
BETWEEN AMERICANS AND MUSLIMS
AND OTHER FAITH TRADITIONS BETWEEN AMERICANS AND MUSLIMS
AND OTHER FAITH TRADITIONS
BUT REALLY IS TO GET WHAT I AND OTHER FAITH TRADITIONS
BUT REALLY IS TO GET WHAT I
CALL A COALITION OF BUT REALLY IS TO GET WHAT I
CALL A COALITION OF
MODERATES, TEAMS TO FOCUS ON CALL A COALITION OF
MODERATES, TEAMS TO FOCUS ON
THE SPECIFIC ISSUES WHICH MODERATES, TEAMS TO FOCUS ON
THE SPECIFIC ISSUES WHICH
HAVE CREATED THIS SENSE OF THE SPECIFIC ISSUES WHICH
HAVE CREATED THIS SENSE OF
DIVISION AND TO STKREPBGEN HAVE CREATED THIS SENSE OF
DIVISION AND TO STKREPBGEN
THE MODERATE VOICE, AND DIVISION AND TO STKREPBGEN
THE MODERATE VOICE, AND
ADDRESS THE CAUSE, THE THE MODERATE VOICE, AND
ADDRESS THE CAUSE, THE
UNDERLYING CAUSE, OF THE ADDRESS THE CAUSE, THE
UNDERLYING CAUSE, OF THE
PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE TODAY, UNDERLYING CAUSE, OF THE
PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE TODAY,
AND TO WORK TOGETHER. PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE TODAY,
AND TO WORK TOGETHER.
IT REQUIRES A — TO WORK AND TO WORK TOGETHER.
IT REQUIRES A — TO WORK
TOGETHER ON SEVERAL FRONTS, IT REQUIRES A — TO WORK
TOGETHER ON SEVERAL FRONTS,
POLITICAL FRONT, ADDRESSING TOGETHER ON SEVERAL FRONTS,
POLITICAL FRONT, ADDRESSING
POLITICAL ISSUES, ADDRESS THE POLITICAL FRONT, ADDRESSING
POLITICAL ISSUES, ADDRESS THE
ISSUES OF GOVERNANCE, ADDRESS POLITICAL ISSUES, ADDRESS THE
ISSUES OF GOVERNANCE, ADDRESS
THE ISSUES OF HUMAN RIGHTS, ISSUES OF GOVERNANCE, ADDRESS
THE ISSUES OF HUMAN RIGHTS,
AND VARIOUS CIVIL RIGHTS, THE ISSUES OF HUMAN RIGHTS,
AND VARIOUS CIVIL RIGHTS,
INCLUDING THOSE THAT AAYAN AND VARIOUS CIVIL RIGHTS,
INCLUDING THOSE THAT AAYAN
HAD MENTIONED. INCLUDING THOSE THAT AAYAN
HAD MENTIONED.
CREATING A RULE OF LAW, A HAD MENTIONED.
CREATING A RULE OF LAW, A
PROPER RULE OF LAW. CREATING A RULE OF LAW, A
PROPER RULE OF LAW.
AND THE ISLAMIC RULE OF LAW PROPER RULE OF LAW.
AND THE ISLAMIC RULE OF LAW
FROM A TRADITION THAT IS AN AND THE ISLAMIC RULE OF LAW
FROM A TRADITION THAT IS AN
ENLIGHTENED TRADITION. FROM A TRADITION THAT IS AN
ENLIGHTENED TRADITION.
BECAUSE OUR TRADITION IN ITS ENLIGHTENED TRADITION.
BECAUSE OUR TRADITION IN ITS
FUNDAMENTAL TIME WAS BECAUSE OUR TRADITION IN ITS
FUNDAMENTAL TIME WAS
PROGRESSIVE AND WAS AN FUNDAMENTAL TIME WAS
PROGRESSIVE AND WAS AN
ENLIGHTENED TRADITION. PROGRESSIVE AND WAS AN
ENLIGHTENED TRADITION.
TO BRING THAT TRADITION BACK. ENLIGHTENED TRADITION.
TO BRING THAT TRADITION BACK.
AND THAT I THINK IS AMONG THE TO BRING THAT TRADITION BACK.
AND THAT I THINK IS AMONG THE
THINGS THAT ARE MOST AND THAT I THINK IS AMONG THE
THINGS THAT ARE MOST
IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS. THINGS THAT ARE MOST
IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS.
POLITICAL, THEOLOGICAL, IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS.
POLITICAL, THEOLOGICAL,
RELIGIOUS, AND LEGAL. POLITICAL, THEOLOGICAL,
RELIGIOUS, AND LEGAL.
>>BUT WHAT’S THE AMERICAN RELIGIOUS, AND LEGAL.
>>BUT WHAT’S THE AMERICAN
ROLE IN THAT? >>BUT WHAT’S THE AMERICAN
ROLE IN THAT?
>>AMERICA HAS A LOT OF ROLE IN THAT?
>>AMERICA HAS A LOT OF
INFLUENCE, BECAUSE AMERICA IS >>AMERICA HAS A LOT OF
INFLUENCE, BECAUSE AMERICA IS
— HAS SOFT POWER. INFLUENCE, BECAUSE AMERICA IS
— HAS SOFT POWER.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE VERY — HAS SOFT POWER.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE VERY
STRONG PRESENCES IN MANY YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE VERY
STRONG PRESENCES IN MANY
PARTS OF THE WORLD. STRONG PRESENCES IN MANY
PARTS OF THE WORLD.
BUT ALSO, THERE’S SOMETHING PARTS OF THE WORLD.
BUT ALSO, THERE’S SOMETHING
ELSE. BUT ALSO, THERE’S SOMETHING
ELSE.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE ROLE OF ELSE.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE ROLE OF
AMERICAN RELIGION, LET ME WHEN I LOOK AT THE ROLE OF
AMERICAN RELIGION, LET ME
CALL IT THAT — IN OTHER AMERICAN RELIGION, LET ME
CALL IT THAT — IN OTHER
WORDS, IF YOU LOOK AT — THE CALL IT THAT — IN OTHER
WORDS, IF YOU LOOK AT — THE
AMERICAN CATHOLICS HAD AN WORDS, IF YOU LOOK AT — THE
AMERICAN CATHOLICS HAD AN
ENORMOUS INFLUENCE ON THE AMERICAN CATHOLICS HAD AN
ENORMOUS INFLUENCE ON THE
VATICAN. ENORMOUS INFLUENCE ON THE
VATICAN.
AMERICAN JUDAISM REFRAMED VATICAN.
AMERICAN JUDAISM REFRAMED
GLOBAL JUDAISM. AMERICAN JUDAISM REFRAMED
GLOBAL JUDAISM.
THAT IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT GLOBAL JUDAISM.
THAT IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT
THE DEVELOPMENT OF A ROBUST THAT IS WHY I BELIEVE THAT
THE DEVELOPMENT OF A ROBUST
AMERICAN ISLAM WILL ALSO HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT OF A ROBUST
AMERICAN ISLAM WILL ALSO HAVE
A PROCEED FOUND EFFECT UPON AMERICAN ISLAM WILL ALSO HAVE
A PROCEED FOUND EFFECT UPON
THE MUSLIM WORLD, BECAUSE A PROCEED FOUND EFFECT UPON
THE MUSLIM WORLD, BECAUSE
AMERICA IS THE MODERN ROME. THE MUSLIM WORLD, BECAUSE
AMERICA IS THE MODERN ROME.
IT’S A MODERN — IT’S THE NEW AMERICA IS THE MODERN ROME.
IT’S A MODERN — IT’S THE NEW
GLOBAL SUPERPOWER. IT’S A MODERN — IT’S THE NEW
GLOBAL SUPERPOWER.
AND ALREADY, MUSLIMS, GLOBAL SUPERPOWER.
AND ALREADY, MUSLIMS,
AMERICAN MUSLIMS, HAVE BEEN AND ALREADY, MUSLIMS,
AMERICAN MUSLIMS, HAVE BEEN
PLAYING AND PUNCHING ABOVE AMERICAN MUSLIMS, HAVE BEEN
PLAYING AND PUNCHING ABOVE
THEIR WEIGHT IN MANY CASES. PLAYING AND PUNCHING ABOVE
THEIR WEIGHT IN MANY CASES.
I MEAN, THE FACT THAT THEIR WEIGHT IN MANY CASES.
I MEAN, THE FACT THAT
DEMOCRACY IS BEING ADVANCED I MEAN, THE FACT THAT
DEMOCRACY IS BEING ADVANCED
IN MANY COUNTRIES EVEN WITH DEMOCRACY IS BEING ADVANCED
IN MANY COUNTRIES EVEN WITH
GREAT DIFFICULTY IS BECAUSE IN MANY COUNTRIES EVEN WITH
GREAT DIFFICULTY IS BECAUSE
AMERICANS ARE LOBBYING OUR GREAT DIFFICULTY IS BECAUSE
AMERICANS ARE LOBBYING OUR
GOVERNMENT FOR THE VALUES AMERICANS ARE LOBBYING OUR
GOVERNMENT FOR THE VALUES
THAT MUSLIMS SHARE. GOVERNMENT FOR THE VALUES
THAT MUSLIMS SHARE.
THE PAKISTANI YOUNG MEN WHO THAT MUSLIMS SHARE.
THE PAKISTANI YOUNG MEN WHO
ARE FIGHTING, I’M SURE AT THE THE PAKISTANI YOUNG MEN WHO
ARE FIGHTING, I’M SURE AT THE
SAME TIME THEY ARE ASKING IF ARE FIGHTING, I’M SURE AT THE
SAME TIME THEY ARE ASKING IF
THEY CAN HAVE A VISA TO COME SAME TIME THEY ARE ASKING IF
THEY CAN HAVE A VISA TO COME
TO THE UNITED STATES. THEY CAN HAVE A VISA TO COME
TO THE UNITED STATES.
>>A BRITISH PASSPORT. TO THE UNITED STATES.
>>A BRITISH PASSPORT.
>>MY POINT IS, WHEREVER I >>A BRITISH PASSPORT.
>>MY POINT IS, WHEREVER I
HAVE GONE, I’VE FOUND THAT >>MY POINT IS, WHEREVER I
HAVE GONE, I’VE FOUND THAT
PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT FOR HAVE GONE, I’VE FOUND THAT
PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT FOR
THEIR OWN COUNTRY THE KIND OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT FOR
THEIR OWN COUNTRY THE KIND OF
LIFESTYLE WE HAVE HERE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY THE KIND OF
LIFESTYLE WE HAVE HERE IN
AMERICA. LIFESTYLE WE HAVE HERE IN
AMERICA.
>>YOU CAN BROADEN IT OUT IF AMERICA.
>>YOU CAN BROADEN IT OUT IF
YOU WANT TO. >>YOU CAN BROADEN IT OUT IF
YOU WANT TO.
>>I THINK WE SHOULD REFRAME YOU WANT TO.
>>I THINK WE SHOULD REFRAME
THE DEBATE. >>I THINK WE SHOULD REFRAME
THE DEBATE.
NOT EVERY MUSLIM IDENTIFIES THE DEBATE.
NOT EVERY MUSLIM IDENTIFIES
AS A MUSLIM, YOU KNOW? NOT EVERY MUSLIM IDENTIFIES
AS A MUSLIM, YOU KNOW?
IF I WERE TO SAY ME, YOU, AS A MUSLIM, YOU KNOW?
IF I WERE TO SAY ME, YOU,
JOHN, IN RICHMOND, ON AN IF I WERE TO SAY ME, YOU,
JOHN, IN RICHMOND, ON AN
AVERAGE SATURDAY NIGHT, THE JOHN, IN RICHMOND, ON AN
AVERAGE SATURDAY NIGHT, THE
FIRST THING YOU WOULD SAY TO AVERAGE SATURDAY NIGHT, THE
FIRST THING YOU WOULD SAY TO
ME WHEN YOU INTRODUCED FIRST THING YOU WOULD SAY TO
ME WHEN YOU INTRODUCED
YOURSELF WOULDN’T BE HI, I’M ME WHEN YOU INTRODUCED
YOURSELF WOULDN’T BE HI, I’M
JOHN, I’M A CHRISTIAN. YOURSELF WOULDN’T BE HI, I’M
JOHN, I’M A CHRISTIAN.
MAYBE IT WOULD, BUT I DON’T JOHN, I’M A CHRISTIAN.
MAYBE IT WOULD, BUT I DON’T
THINK SO. MAYBE IT WOULD, BUT I DON’T
THINK SO.
I DON’T GET THAT IMPRESSION THINK SO.
I DON’T GET THAT IMPRESSION
FROM YOU. I DON’T GET THAT IMPRESSION
FROM YOU.
SO LIKEWISE, MOST MUSLIMS FROM YOU.
SO LIKEWISE, MOST MUSLIMS
DON’T PRIMARILY IDENTIFY AS SO LIKEWISE, MOST MUSLIMS
DON’T PRIMARILY IDENTIFY AS
MUSLIMS WHEN INTERACTING DON’T PRIMARILY IDENTIFY AS
MUSLIMS WHEN INTERACTING
GENERALLY WITH PEOPLE. MUSLIMS WHEN INTERACTING
GENERALLY WITH PEOPLE.
AS THE ANSWER, SOME ARE GENERALLY WITH PEOPLE.
AS THE ANSWER, SOME ARE
HOMOSEXUAL, FEMINIST, SOME AS THE ANSWER, SOME ARE
HOMOSEXUAL, FEMINIST, SOME
ARE MUSLIM AND DEVOUT AND DO HOMOSEXUAL, FEMINIST, SOME
ARE MUSLIM AND DEVOUT AND DO
IDENTIFY PRIMARILY AS ARE MUSLIM AND DEVOUT AND DO
IDENTIFY PRIMARILY AS
MUSLIMS. IDENTIFY PRIMARILY AS
MUSLIMS.
OTHERS ARE MUSLIM MUSLIMS.
OTHERS ARE MUSLIM
PROFESSIONALS. OTHERS ARE MUSLIM
PROFESSIONALS.
NOT EVERYONE WEARS THE SAME PROFESSIONALS.
NOT EVERYONE WEARS THE SAME
HAT. NOT EVERYONE WEARS THE SAME
HAT.
NOW, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN WE HAT.
NOW, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN WE
ENGAGE, WE FORCE THE NOW, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN WE
ENGAGE, WE FORCE THE
CONVERSATION DOWN ONE NARROW ENGAGE, WE FORCE THE
CONVERSATION DOWN ONE NARROW
TRAIN OF THOUGHT, AND THAT’S CONVERSATION DOWN ONE NARROW
TRAIN OF THOUGHT, AND THAT’S
BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE TRAIN OF THOUGHT, AND THAT’S
BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE
QUESTIONS QUESTION ASK. BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE
QUESTIONS QUESTION ASK.
IF WE WERE TO ENGAGE AND SAY QUESTIONS QUESTION ASK.
IF WE WERE TO ENGAGE AND SAY
HOW DOES IT FEEL BEING A IF WE WERE TO ENGAGE AND SAY
HOW DOES IT FEEL BEING A
MUSLIM IN PAKISTAN, THE HOW DOES IT FEEL BEING A
MUSLIM IN PAKISTAN, THE
PERSON WOULD IMMEDIATELY PUT MUSLIM IN PAKISTAN, THE
PERSON WOULD IMMEDIATELY PUT
THEIR MUSLIM HATS ON AND SAY PERSON WOULD IMMEDIATELY PUT
THEIR MUSLIM HATS ON AND SAY
AS A MUSLIM IN PAKISTAN — THEIR MUSLIM HATS ON AND SAY
AS A MUSLIM IN PAKISTAN —
AND WHAT THAT DOES, IT AS A MUSLIM IN PAKISTAN —
AND WHAT THAT DOES, IT
EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM OF AND WHAT THAT DOES, IT
EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM OF
THE IDENTITY POLITICS I SPOKE EXACERBATES THE PROBLEM OF
THE IDENTITY POLITICS I SPOKE
ABOUT. THE IDENTITY POLITICS I SPOKE
ABOUT.
BASICALLY, THEN, WE ABOUT.
BASICALLY, THEN, WE
IMMEDIATELY SET UP A SCENARIO BASICALLY, THEN, WE
IMMEDIATELY SET UP A SCENARIO
WHERE WE’RE IDENTIFYING AS IMMEDIATELY SET UP A SCENARIO
WHERE WE’RE IDENTIFYING AS
CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM, WHEN WHERE WE’RE IDENTIFYING AS
CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM, WHEN
THAT CONVERSATION COULD HAVE CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM, WHEN
THAT CONVERSATION COULD HAVE
BEEN A TEACHER IS A TEACHER THAT CONVERSATION COULD HAVE
BEEN A TEACHER IS A TEACHER
OR STUDENT TO STUDENT, HUMAN BEEN A TEACHER IS A TEACHER
OR STUDENT TO STUDENT, HUMAN
TO HUMAN. OR STUDENT TO STUDENT, HUMAN
TO HUMAN.
I WE — I THINK WE NEED TO TO HUMAN.
I WE — I THINK WE NEED TO
RECALIBRATE THE WAY WE I WE — I THINK WE NEED TO
RECALIBRATE THE WAY WE
APPROACH THIS DEBATE. RECALIBRATE THE WAY WE
APPROACH THIS DEBATE.
>>THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING APPROACH THIS DEBATE.
>>THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING
POINT. >>THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING
POINT.
IT BROUGHT BACK TO ME THE POINT.
IT BROUGHT BACK TO ME THE
TIME I WAS COVERING MOSCOW AT IT BROUGHT BACK TO ME THE
TIME I WAS COVERING MOSCOW AT
THE COLLAPSE OF THE SOVIET TIME I WAS COVERING MOSCOW AT
THE COLLAPSE OF THE SOVIET
UNION AND MY EDITORS WERE THE COLLAPSE OF THE SOVIET
UNION AND MY EDITORS WERE
ALWAYS ASKING ME TO GO OUT UNION AND MY EDITORS WERE
ALWAYS ASKING ME TO GO OUT
AND ASK RUSSIANS DO YOU HAVE ALWAYS ASKING ME TO GO OUT
AND ASK RUSSIANS DO YOU HAVE
HOPE FOR THE FUTURE AND I WAS AND ASK RUSSIANS DO YOU HAVE
HOPE FOR THE FUTURE AND I WAS
REPORTING, THE RUSSIANS HAVE HOPE FOR THE FUTURE AND I WAS
REPORTING, THE RUSSIANS HAVE
NO HOPE FOR THE FUTURE! REPORTING, THE RUSSIANS HAVE
NO HOPE FOR THE FUTURE!
NOT THAT THEY WEREN’T — THAT NO HOPE FOR THE FUTURE!
NOT THAT THEY WEREN’T — THAT
THEY WERE HAVING THANK NOT THAT THEY WEREN’T — THAT
THEY WERE HAVING THANK
CONVERSATION. THEY WERE HAVING THANK
CONVERSATION.
WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE CONVERSATION.
WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE
QUESTION AND IT’S VERY WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE
QUESTION AND IT’S VERY
FORWARD LOOKING. QUESTION AND IT’S VERY
FORWARD LOOKING.
AND MAYBE ONE WORE TWO FORWARD LOOKING.
AND MAYBE ONE WORE TWO
SENTENCES FROM EACH OF YOU. AND MAYBE ONE WORE TWO
SENTENCES FROM EACH OF YOU.
FIFTY YEARS FROM NOW, DO YOU SENTENCES FROM EACH OF YOU.
FIFTY YEARS FROM NOW, DO YOU
BELIEVE THE WORLD WILL STILL FIFTY YEARS FROM NOW, DO YOU
BELIEVE THE WORLD WILL STILL
HAVE REASON TO ASK THE BELIEVE THE WORLD WILL STILL
HAVE REASON TO ASK THE
QUESTION THAT WE HAVE BEEN HAVE REASON TO ASK THE
QUESTION THAT WE HAVE BEEN
ASKING TONIGHT, IN OTHER QUESTION THAT WE HAVE BEEN
ASKING TONIGHT, IN OTHER
WORDS, IS THERE ANY ASKING TONIGHT, IN OTHER
WORDS, IS THERE ANY
SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN SIGHT? WORDS, IS THERE ANY
SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN SIGHT?
IMAM? SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN SIGHT?
IMAM?
>>I BELIEVE THAT IN 50 IMAM?
>>I BELIEVE THAT IN 50
YEARS, WE WILL HAVE A MUCH >>I BELIEVE THAT IN 50
YEARS, WE WILL HAVE A MUCH
BETTER PLACE, IF WE HAVE YEARS, WE WILL HAVE A MUCH
BETTER PLACE, IF WE HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO ABOUT IT. BETTER PLACE, IF WE HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO ABOUT IT.
>>AAYAN? ANYTHING TO DO ABOUT IT.
>>AAYAN?
>>OF COURSE, I HOPE THAT IN >>AAYAN?
>>OF COURSE, I HOPE THAT IN
50 YEARS, THAT THE VIOLENCE >>OF COURSE, I HOPE THAT IN
50 YEARS, THAT THE VIOLENCE
WE SEE TODAY THAT IS 50 YEARS, THAT THE VIOLENCE
WE SEE TODAY THAT IS
INSROEBLGD — INVOKED, THAT’S WE SEE TODAY THAT IS
INSROEBLGD — INVOKED, THAT’S
PERPETRATED IN THE NAME OF INSROEBLGD — INVOKED, THAT’S
PERPETRATED IN THE NAME OF
ISLAM, WILL NOT BE THERE, BUT PERPETRATED IN THE NAME OF
ISLAM, WILL NOT BE THERE, BUT
WE’VE ENTERED NOW WITH THE ISLAM, WILL NOT BE THERE, BUT
WE’VE ENTERED NOW WITH THE
ARAB SPRING A PERIOD WHEN WE’VE ENTERED NOW WITH THE
ARAB SPRING A PERIOD WHEN
THERE IS A HUGE DEMOGRAPHY OF ARAB SPRING A PERIOD WHEN
THERE IS A HUGE DEMOGRAPHY OF
YOUNG PEOPLE, WHO LIVE IN AND THERE IS A HUGE DEMOGRAPHY OF
YOUNG PEOPLE, WHO LIVE IN AND
ARE STRUGGLING TO LIVE IN AND YOUNG PEOPLE, WHO LIVE IN AND
ARE STRUGGLING TO LIVE IN AND
SUR SIFE IN SOCIETIES THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO LIVE IN AND
SUR SIFE IN SOCIETIES THAT
ARE YOU A AUTHORIZETARIAN, SUR SIFE IN SOCIETIES THAT
ARE YOU A AUTHORIZETARIAN,
AND WHERE THERE ARE RELIGIOUS ARE YOU A AUTHORIZETARIAN,
AND WHERE THERE ARE RELIGIOUS
FANATICS, AND THAT HAS JUST AND WHERE THERE ARE RELIGIOUS
FANATICS, AND THAT HAS JUST
STARTED TO PLAY ITSELF OUT. FANATICS, AND THAT HAS JUST
STARTED TO PLAY ITSELF OUT.
I LEFT SOMALI — I LEFT STARTED TO PLAY ITSELF OUT.
I LEFT SOMALI — I LEFT
SOMALIA IN 1990 NOVEMBER, AND I LEFT SOMALI — I LEFT
SOMALIA IN 1990 NOVEMBER, AND
IN JANUARY 1991 THE CIVIL WAR SOMALIA IN 1990 NOVEMBER, AND
IN JANUARY 1991 THE CIVIL WAR
STARTED AND NOW IT IS OVER 20 IN JANUARY 1991 THE CIVIL WAR
STARTED AND NOW IT IS OVER 20
YEARS, AND SOMALIA IS STILL STARTED AND NOW IT IS OVER 20
YEARS, AND SOMALIA IS STILL
IN CIVIL WAR. YEARS, AND SOMALIA IS STILL
IN CIVIL WAR.
SO TWO DECADES, THREE IN CIVIL WAR.
SO TWO DECADES, THREE
DECADES, FOUR DECADES, ARE SO TWO DECADES, THREE
DECADES, FOUR DECADES, ARE
REALLY NOT THAT MUCH. DECADES, FOUR DECADES, ARE
REALLY NOT THAT MUCH.
I DON’T WANT TO BE REALLY NOT THAT MUCH.
I DON’T WANT TO BE
OVEROPTIMISTIC. I DON’T WANT TO BE
OVEROPTIMISTIC.
I REALLY HOPE THAT THINGS OVEROPTIMISTIC.
I REALLY HOPE THAT THINGS
CHANGE, BUT WE HAVE TO GUARD I REALLY HOPE THAT THINGS
CHANGE, BUT WE HAVE TO GUARD
OURSELVES TODAY FOR MORE CHANGE, BUT WE HAVE TO GUARD
OURSELVES TODAY FOR MORE
VIOLENCE, PARTICULARLY INTRA OURSELVES TODAY FOR MORE
VIOLENCE, PARTICULARLY INTRA
ISLAM, SUNNIS AND SHIITES. VIOLENCE, PARTICULARLY INTRA
ISLAM, SUNNIS AND SHIITES.
IRAN IS DEVELOPING A BOMB, ISLAM, SUNNIS AND SHIITES.
IRAN IS DEVELOPING A BOMB,
SAUDI ARABIA IS COMPETING AND IRAN IS DEVELOPING A BOMB,
SAUDI ARABIA IS COMPETING AND
SUPPORTING PAKISTAN TO GET SAUDI ARABIA IS COMPETING AND
SUPPORTING PAKISTAN TO GET
THAT BOMB. SUPPORTING PAKISTAN TO GET
THAT BOMB.
EGYPT MAY WANT ONE, TURKEY THAT BOMB.
EGYPT MAY WANT ONE, TURKEY
MAY WANT ONE. EGYPT MAY WANT ONE, TURKEY
MAY WANT ONE.
THESE ARE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE MAY WANT ONE.
THESE ARE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE
SCENARIOS TO CONSIDER, AND THESE ARE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE
SCENARIOS TO CONSIDER, AND
IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS SCENARIOS TO CONSIDER, AND
IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS
GOING TO BE RESOLVED QUICKLY. IT’S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS
GOING TO BE RESOLVED QUICKLY.
I HOPE IT IS, BUT A LITTLE GOING TO BE RESOLVED QUICKLY.
I HOPE IT IS, BUT A LITTLE
CAUTION. I HOPE IT IS, BUT A LITTLE
CAUTION.
>>LAST WORD? CAUTION.
>>LAST WORD?
>>IT’S VERY EASY FOR US TO >>LAST WORD?
>>IT’S VERY EASY FOR US TO
BE PESSIMISTIC. >>IT’S VERY EASY FOR US TO
BE PESSIMISTIC.
LET’S NOT FORGET ONE THING. BE PESSIMISTIC.
LET’S NOT FORGET ONE THING.
TAKE OURSELVES BACK 60 YEARS LET’S NOT FORGET ONE THING.
TAKE OURSELVES BACK 60 YEARS
AGO, IN THE PAST, AND WE WERE TAKE OURSELVES BACK 60 YEARS
AGO, IN THE PAST, AND WE WERE
LOCKED IN WORLD WAR II, IN AGO, IN THE PAST, AND WE WERE
LOCKED IN WORLD WAR II, IN
THE MOST TERRIBLE CONFLICT LOCKED IN WORLD WAR II, IN
THE MOST TERRIBLE CONFLICT
THAT THE HISTORY OF MAN KNOWS THE MOST TERRIBLE CONFLICT
THAT THE HISTORY OF MAN KNOWS
AND NOW EUROPE HAS AN THAT THE HISTORY OF MAN KNOWS
AND NOW EUROPE HAS AN
ECONOMIC UNION — FINE, IT’S AND NOW EUROPE HAS AN
ECONOMIC UNION — FINE, IT’S
NOT DOING TOO WELL AT THE ECONOMIC UNION — FINE, IT’S
NOT DOING TOO WELL AT THE
MOMENT, BUT WE’RE NOT NOT DOING TOO WELL AT THE
MOMENT, BUT WE’RE NOT
FIGHTING EACH OTHER ANYMORE, MOMENT, BUT WE’RE NOT
FIGHTING EACH OTHER ANYMORE,
SO THE MIDDLE EAST, THOUGH IT FIGHTING EACH OTHER ANYMORE,
SO THE MIDDLE EAST, THOUGH IT
LOOKS LIKE IT’S A MESS, IT’S SO THE MIDDLE EAST, THOUGH IT
LOOKS LIKE IT’S A MESS, IT’S
NOT WORLD WAR II. LOOKS LIKE IT’S A MESS, IT’S
NOT WORLD WAR II.
I THINK 50 YEARS IN THE NOT WORLD WAR II.
I THINK 50 YEARS IN THE
FUTURE, WE MAY END UP WITH A I THINK 50 YEARS IN THE
FUTURE, WE MAY END UP WITH A
SCENARIO WHERE PEOPLE HAVE FUTURE, WE MAY END UP WITH A
SCENARIO WHERE PEOPLE HAVE
DECIDED TO RECONCILE A LOT OF SCENARIO WHERE PEOPLE HAVE
DECIDED TO RECONCILE A LOT OF
THESE ISSUES. DECIDED TO RECONCILE A LOT OF
THESE ISSUES.
WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS THESE ISSUES.
WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS
EVERYONE HAVING WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS
EVERYONE HAVING
COFFEE-COLORED CHILDREN, MEN EVERYONE HAVING
COFFEE-COLORED CHILDREN, MEN
SPEAKING ITALIAN AND THE COFFEE-COLORED CHILDREN, MEN
SPEAKING ITALIAN AND THE
WOMEN SPEAKING FRENCH! SPEAKING ITALIAN AND THE
WOMEN SPEAKING FRENCH!
>> ALL RIGHT. WOMEN SPEAKING FRENCH!
>> ALL RIGHT.
WELL, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, IT’S >> ALL RIGHT.
WELL, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, IT’S
A SATURDAY NIGHT, AND WE WILL WELL, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, IT’S
A SATURDAY NIGHT, AND WE WILL
SEE YOU ALL THERE. A SATURDAY NIGHT, AND WE WILL
SEE YOU ALL THERE.
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NIGHT, SEE YOU ALL THERE.
THANK YOU, AND GOOD NIGHT,
EVERYONE! THANK YOU, AND GOOD NIGHT,
EVERYONE!
>> THANK YOU. EVERYONE!
>> THANK YOU.
I’M JON DONVAN. >> THANK YOU.
I’M JON DONVAN.
YOU WERE JUST WATCHING A I’M JON DONVAN.
YOU WERE JUST WATCHING A
CONVERSATION THAT TOOK PLACE YOU WERE JUST WATCHING A
CONVERSATION THAT TOOK PLACE
UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE CONVERSATION THAT TOOK PLACE
UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE
RICHMOND FORUM. UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE
RICHMOND FORUM.
THIS PAST SATURDAY, AT THE RICHMOND FORUM.
THIS PAST SATURDAY, AT THE
LANDMARK THEATER BEFORE A THIS PAST SATURDAY, AT THE
LANDMARK THEATER BEFORE A
SOLD OUT CROWD, WHERE THE LANDMARK THEATER BEFORE A
SOLD OUT CROWD, WHERE THE
TOPIC WAS ISLAM AND THE SOLD OUT CROWD, WHERE THE
TOPIC WAS ISLAM AND THE
QUESTION PHRASE WAS THIS. TOPIC WAS ISLAM AND THE
QUESTION PHRASE WAS THIS.
IF IZ — IS ISLAM A RELIGION QUESTION PHRASE WAS THIS.
IF IZ — IS ISLAM A RELIGION
OF VIOLENCE OR PEACE AND THE IF IZ — IS ISLAM A RELIGION
OF VIOLENCE OR PEACE AND THE
PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION OF VIOLENCE OR PEACE AND THE
PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION
THAT IS ABOUT TO UNFOLD NOW PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION
THAT IS ABOUT TO UNFOLD NOW
IS TO BRING THIS CONVERSATION THAT IS ABOUT TO UNFOLD NOW
IS TO BRING THIS CONVERSATION
BACK TO RICHMOND, TO THIS IS TO BRING THIS CONVERSATION
BACK TO RICHMOND, TO THIS
COMMUNITY. BACK TO RICHMOND, TO THIS
COMMUNITY.
AND I WANT TO INTRODUCE THREE COMMUNITY.
AND I WANT TO INTRODUCE THREE
CITIZENS, DENIZENS OF AND I WANT TO INTRODUCE THREE
CITIZENS, DENIZENS OF
RICHMOND WHO WILLER TAKING CITIZENS, DENIZENS OF
RICHMOND WHO WILLER TAKING
PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, RICHMOND WHO WILLER TAKING
PART OF THIS CONVERSATION,
FROM NEAREST ME, IMAM AMMAR PART OF THIS CONVERSATION,
FROM NEAREST ME, IMAM AMMAR
AMONETTE, WHO LEADS THE FROM NEAREST ME, IMAM AMMAR
AMONETTE, WHO LEADS THE
ISLAMIC CENTER FOR VIRGINIA, AMONETTE, WHO LEADS THE
ISLAMIC CENTER FOR VIRGINIA,
THE REVEREND BILL SACHS OF ISLAMIC CENTER FOR VIRGINIA,
THE REVEREND BILL SACHS OF
THE SAINT STEPHEN’S EPIS THE REVEREND BILL SACHS OF
THE SAINT STEPHEN’S EPIS
COPAP CHURCH AND CENTER FOR THE SAINT STEPHEN’S EPIS
COPAP CHURCH AND CENTER FOR
INTER FAITH RECONCILIATION COPAP CHURCH AND CENTER FOR
INTER FAITH RECONCILIATION
AND RABBI BEN ROMER OF THE INTER FAITH RECONCILIATION
AND RABBI BEN ROMER OF THE
CONGREGATION OR OMI. AND RABBI BEN ROMER OF THE
CONGREGATION OR OMI.
I’M GOING TO SHARE QUICKLY, CONGREGATION OR OMI.
I’M GOING TO SHARE QUICKLY,
THE THREE OF YOU ARE LONG I’M GOING TO SHARE QUICKLY,
THE THREE OF YOU ARE LONG
TIME FRIENDS. THE THREE OF YOU ARE LONG
TIME FRIENDS.
OBVIOUSLY, CONNECTED BY THE TIME FRIENDS.
OBVIOUSLY, CONNECTED BY THE
PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, JUST OBVIOUSLY, CONNECTED BY THE
PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, JUST
AS WE WERE BEGINNING, THAT PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, JUST
AS WE WERE BEGINNING, THAT
FOOD UNITES ALL OF YOU. AS WE WERE BEGINNING, THAT
FOOD UNITES ALL OF YOU.
A LOT OF OTHER THINGS UNITE FOOD UNITES ALL OF YOU.
A LOT OF OTHER THINGS UNITE
ALL OF YOU. A LOT OF OTHER THINGS UNITE
ALL OF YOU.
WHAT IS IT THAT BRINGS THE ALL OF YOU.
WHAT IS IT THAT BRINGS THE
THREE OF YOU TOGETHER? WHAT IS IT THAT BRINGS THE
THREE OF YOU TOGETHER?
AND WHEN DID YOU CONNECT WITH THREE OF YOU TOGETHER?
AND WHEN DID YOU CONNECT WITH
ONE ANOTHER? AND WHEN DID YOU CONNECT WITH
ONE ANOTHER?
>>REVEREND? ONE ANOTHER?
>>REVEREND?
>>FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS, >>REVEREND?
>>FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS,
MAYBE, WE HAVE PERIODICALLY >>FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS,
MAYBE, WE HAVE PERIODICALLY
BEEN HAVING LUNCH, AND WE MAYBE, WE HAVE PERIODICALLY
BEEN HAVING LUNCH, AND WE
HAVE OTHER COLLEAGUES IN ALL BEEN HAVING LUNCH, AND WE
HAVE OTHER COLLEAGUES IN ALL
OF OUR FAITHS WHO HAVE COME HAVE OTHER COLLEAGUES IN ALL
OF OUR FAITHS WHO HAVE COME
IN THE GROUP. OF OUR FAITHS WHO HAVE COME
IN THE GROUP.
WE’VE DONE OTHER THINGS, IN THE GROUP.
WE’VE DONE OTHER THINGS,
WE’VE DONE JOINT HABITAT FOR WE’VE DONE OTHER THINGS,
WE’VE DONE JOINT HABITAT FOR
HUMANITY PROJECTS, GONE TO WE’VE DONE JOINT HABITAT FOR
HUMANITY PROJECTS, GONE TO
MONTICELLO, THOMAS HUMANITY PROJECTS, GONE TO
MONTICELLO, THOMAS
JEFFERSON’S HOME, TO TALK MONTICELLO, THOMAS
JEFFERSON’S HOME, TO TALK
ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM JEFFERSON’S HOME, TO TALK
ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
IN AMERICA. ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
IN AMERICA.
WE’VE FOUND, BY GOD’S GRACE, IN AMERICA.
WE’VE FOUND, BY GOD’S GRACE,
AN INCREDIBLE ABILITY TO TALK WE’VE FOUND, BY GOD’S GRACE,
AN INCREDIBLE ABILITY TO TALK
TO ONE ANOTHER ABOUT AN INCREDIBLE ABILITY TO TALK
TO ONE ANOTHER ABOUT
ANYTHING. TO ONE ANOTHER ABOUT
ANYTHING.
>>EVEN THE HARD ANYTHING.
>>EVEN THE HARD
CONVERSATIONS? >>EVEN THE HARD
CONVERSATIONS?
>>PARDON ME? CONVERSATIONS?
>>PARDON ME?
>>EVEN THE HARD >>PARDON ME?
>>EVEN THE HARD
CONVERSATIONS? >>EVEN THE HARD
CONVERSATIONS?
>>EVEN THE HARD CONVERSATIONS?
>>EVEN THE HARD
CONVERSATIONS. >>EVEN THE HARD
CONVERSATIONS.
WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL. CONVERSATIONS.
WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL.
>>LET ME GET TO WHAT MAY BE WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL.
>>LET ME GET TO WHAT MAY BE
A HARD CONVERSATION, AND THAT >>LET ME GET TO WHAT MAY BE
A HARD CONVERSATION, AND THAT
IS THE NOTION THAT WHAT WE A HARD CONVERSATION, AND THAT
IS THE NOTION THAT WHAT WE
SAW WAS A CONVERSATION, WHERE IS THE NOTION THAT WHAT WE
SAW WAS A CONVERSATION, WHERE
WE WERE ACTUALLY WEIGHING THE SAW WAS A CONVERSATION, WHERE
WE WERE ACTUALLY WEIGHING THE
PEACE BELIEVENESS — WE WERE ACTUALLY WEIGHING THE
PEACE BELIEVENESS —
PEACEABLENESS OF ONE PEACE BELIEVENESS —
PEACEABLENESS OF ONE
RELIGIOUS FAITH. PEACEABLENESS OF ONE
RELIGIOUS FAITH.
IT WAS THIS ONE QUESTION, IS RELIGIOUS FAITH.
IT WAS THIS ONE QUESTION, IS
ISLAM A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE IT WAS THIS ONE QUESTION, IS
ISLAM A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE
OR PEACE. ISLAM A RELIGION OF VIOLENCE
OR PEACE.
TO A MUSLIM IN ITSELF, LET’S OR PEACE.
TO A MUSLIM IN ITSELF, LET’S
FACE IT, THAT WOULD REPRESENT TO A MUSLIM IN ITSELF, LET’S
FACE IT, THAT WOULD REPRESENT
SOMETHING OF AN AFFRONT TO FACE IT, THAT WOULD REPRESENT
SOMETHING OF AN AFFRONT TO
HAVE THAT ON A POSTER. SOMETHING OF AN AFFRONT TO
HAVE THAT ON A POSTER.
AT THE SAME TIME, LET’S HAVE THAT ON A POSTER.
AT THE SAME TIME, LET’S
RECOGNIZE THAT TO A LARGE AT THE SAME TIME, LET’S
RECOGNIZE THAT TO A LARGE
PART OF THE AMERICAN RECOGNIZE THAT TO A LARGE
PART OF THE AMERICAN
POPULATION, THE STORY OF PART OF THE AMERICAN
POPULATION, THE STORY OF
ISLAM AS VIOLENT IS THE ONE POPULATION, THE STORY OF
ISLAM AS VIOLENT IS THE ONE
THAT THEY KNOW, WHICH WAS THE ISLAM AS VIOLENT IS THE ONE
THAT THEY KNOW, WHICH WAS THE
PURPOSE OF OUR EVEN HAVING THAT THEY KNOW, WHICH WAS THE
PURPOSE OF OUR EVEN HAVING
THAT CONVERSATION IN THE PURPOSE OF OUR EVEN HAVING
THAT CONVERSATION IN THE
FIRST PLACE. THAT CONVERSATION IN THE
FIRST PLACE.
BUT AN INTERESTING QUESTION FIRST PLACE.
BUT AN INTERESTING QUESTION
CAME FROM THE AUDIENCE, AMONG BUT AN INTERESTING QUESTION
CAME FROM THE AUDIENCE, AMONG
HUNDREDS OF QUESTION, AND CAME FROM THE AUDIENCE, AMONG
HUNDREDS OF QUESTION, AND
MOST WERE ACTUALLY HUNDREDS OF QUESTION, AND
MOST WERE ACTUALLY
SPECTACULAR. MOST WERE ACTUALLY
SPECTACULAR.
BUT A MAN NAMED BRAMAN SPECTACULAR.
BUT A MAN NAMED BRAMAN
HILLMAN WROTE ARE THERE ANY BUT A MAN NAMED BRAMAN
HILLMAN WROTE ARE THERE ANY
VIABLE METHODS TO REFRAME THE HILLMAN WROTE ARE THERE ANY
VIABLE METHODS TO REFRAME THE
DISCOURSE AND IF SO, WHAT ARE VIABLE METHODS TO REFRAME THE
DISCOURSE AND IF SO, WHAT ARE
THEY, AND IF NOT, HOW CAN DISCOURSE AND IF SO, WHAT ARE
THEY, AND IF NOT, HOW CAN
THEY BE DEVELOPED. THEY, AND IF NOT, HOW CAN
THEY BE DEVELOPED.
SO IMAM, LET ME ASK YOU THEY BE DEVELOPED.
SO IMAM, LET ME ASK YOU
THIS:FULS THE QUESTION THAT SO IMAM, LET ME ASK YOU
THIS:FULS THE QUESTION THAT
WAS PUT BEFORE THE AUDIENCE THIS:FULS THE QUESTION THAT
WAS PUT BEFORE THE AUDIENCE
AT THE FORUM THE RIGHT WAS PUT BEFORE THE AUDIENCE
AT THE FORUM THE RIGHT
QUESTION TO BE ASKING? AT THE FORUM THE RIGHT
QUESTION TO BE ASKING?
>>WELL, NO. QUESTION TO BE ASKING?
>>WELL, NO.
YOU HAVE TO REALIZE, THE >>WELL, NO.
YOU HAVE TO REALIZE, THE
RICHMOND FORUM IS PART OF YOU HAVE TO REALIZE, THE
RICHMOND FORUM IS PART OF
RICHMOND, AND IT AFFECTS RICHMOND FORUM IS PART OF
RICHMOND, AND IT AFFECTS
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN RICHMOND, AND IT AFFECTS
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN
RICHMOND. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN
RICHMOND.
THERE ARE UPWARDS OF 10,000 RICHMOND.
THERE ARE UPWARDS OF 10,000
MUSLIMS WHO ARE NEIGHBORS THERE ARE UPWARDS OF 10,000
MUSLIMS WHO ARE NEIGHBORS
HERE IN THIS CITY AND IN THE MUSLIMS WHO ARE NEIGHBORS
HERE IN THIS CITY AND IN THE
REGION. HERE IN THIS CITY AND IN THE
REGION.
AND PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW WHO REGION.
AND PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW WHO
THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE. AND PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW WHO
THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE.
AND WHEN YOU FRAME SOMETHING THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE.
AND WHEN YOU FRAME SOMETHING
IN A GENERAL WAY, IT SOUNDS AND WHEN YOU FRAME SOMETHING
IN A GENERAL WAY, IT SOUNDS
LIKE YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT IN A GENERAL WAY, IT SOUNDS
LIKE YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
THIS SCARY FORCE THAT IS FROM LIKE YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
THIS SCARY FORCE THAT IS FROM
FAR AWAY. THIS SCARY FORCE THAT IS FROM
FAR AWAY.
NOT THAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT FAR AWAY.
NOT THAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE AND NOT THAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE AND
WORK AND GO TO SCHOOL WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE AND
WORK AND GO TO SCHOOL WITH
YOU. WORK AND GO TO SCHOOL WITH
YOU.
SO HOW WE FRAME THINGS LIKE YOU.
SO HOW WE FRAME THINGS LIKE
THAT AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY AND SO HOW WE FRAME THINGS LIKE
THAT AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY AND
EVERY MEMBER IN OUR THAT AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY AND
EVERY MEMBER IN OUR
COMMUNITY. EVERY MEMBER IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
WE COULD HAVE TURNED THAT AND COMMUNITY.
WE COULD HAVE TURNED THAT AND
MADE IT ABOUT ANOTHER WE COULD HAVE TURNED THAT AND
MADE IT ABOUT ANOTHER
RELIGION, BUT I’M PRETTY SURE MADE IT ABOUT ANOTHER
RELIGION, BUT I’M PRETTY SURE
THAT IF IT WERE ABOUT JUDAISM RELIGION, BUT I’M PRETTY SURE
THAT IF IT WERE ABOUT JUDAISM
THAT PERHAPS THE JEWISH THAT IF IT WERE ABOUT JUDAISM
THAT PERHAPS THE JEWISH
COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT PERHAPS THE JEWISH
COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE BEEN
CONSULTED ABOUT THAT, YOU COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE BEEN
CONSULTED ABOUT THAT, YOU
KNOW, AND IF WE BROUGHT CONSULTED ABOUT THAT, YOU
KNOW, AND IF WE BROUGHT
EXTREMIST VIEWPOINTS ABOUT KNOW, AND IF WE BROUGHT
EXTREMIST VIEWPOINTS ABOUT
ANY CHRISTIAN OR ANY TPOERLS EXTREMIST VIEWPOINTS ABOUT
ANY CHRISTIAN OR ANY TPOERLS
OF ANY RELIGION, THAT WE ANY CHRISTIAN OR ANY TPOERLS
OF ANY RELIGION, THAT WE
WOULD CONSULT WITH THE LOCAL OF ANY RELIGION, THAT WE
WOULD CONSULT WITH THE LOCAL
COMMUNITY THAT’S GOING TO BE WOULD CONSULT WITH THE LOCAL
COMMUNITY THAT’S GOING TO BE
AFFECTED DIRECTLY BY THAT. COMMUNITY THAT’S GOING TO BE
AFFECTED DIRECTLY BY THAT.
>>RABBI, YOU WERE AT THE AFFECTED DIRECTLY BY THAT.
>>RABBI, YOU WERE AT THE
CONVERSATION. >>RABBI, YOU WERE AT THE
CONVERSATION.
YOU WERE IN THE AUDIENCE. CONVERSATION.
YOU WERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
WHAT DID YOU TAKE AWAY FROM YOU WERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
WHAT DID YOU TAKE AWAY FROM
IT THAT ACTUALLY WOULD WHAT DID YOU TAKE AWAY FROM
IT THAT ACTUALLY WOULD
ADDRESS THE IMAM’S POINT TO IT THAT ACTUALLY WOULD
ADDRESS THE IMAM’S POINT TO
THE BROADER COMMUNITY HAVING ADDRESS THE IMAM’S POINT TO
THE BROADER COMMUNITY HAVING
A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING OF THE BROADER COMMUNITY HAVING
A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING OF
WHO THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE? A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING OF
WHO THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE?
>>WELL, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY WHO THEIR NEIGHBORS ARE?
>>WELL, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY
WAS OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY >>WELL, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY
WAS OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY
WHO WAS THERE, BUT I THINK WAS OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY
WHO WAS THERE, BUT I THINK
THE INTERCHANGE WAS HELPFUL WHO WAS THERE, BUT I THINK
THE INTERCHANGE WAS HELPFUL
AMONG PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT THE INTERCHANGE WAS HELPFUL
AMONG PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT
HAVE ANY BACKGROUND, AMONG PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT
HAVE ANY BACKGROUND,
UNDERSTAND THE DIVERSITY AND HAVE ANY BACKGROUND,
UNDERSTAND THE DIVERSITY AND
DIFFICULTY OF THE DISCUSSION, UNDERSTAND THE DIVERSITY AND
DIFFICULTY OF THE DISCUSSION,
AND SO IT WAS HELPFUL BY DIFFICULTY OF THE DISCUSSION,
AND SO IT WAS HELPFUL BY
GETTING PEOPLE IN, BUT IT’S AND SO IT WAS HELPFUL BY
GETTING PEOPLE IN, BUT IT’S
AT TIMES ALMOST INFLAMMATORY GETTING PEOPLE IN, BUT IT’S
AT TIMES ALMOST INFLAMMATORY
BY THE FRAMEWORK THAT YOU AT TIMES ALMOST INFLAMMATORY
BY THE FRAMEWORK THAT YOU
USE. BY THE FRAMEWORK THAT YOU
USE.
AND FOR ME, THE CHALLENGE IS USE.
AND FOR ME, THE CHALLENGE IS
WHO DO YOU FRAME THE AND FOR ME, THE CHALLENGE IS
WHO DO YOU FRAME THE
DISCUSSION. WHO DO YOU FRAME THE
DISCUSSION.
AND THE MINUTE YOU SAY DISCUSSION.
AND THE MINUTE YOU SAY
VIOLENCE, THERE WE GO. AND THE MINUTE YOU SAY
VIOLENCE, THERE WE GO.
AND I KNOW THAT’S HOW WE TALK VIOLENCE, THERE WE GO.
AND I KNOW THAT’S HOW WE TALK
ABOUT THINGS. AND I KNOW THAT’S HOW WE TALK
ABOUT THINGS.
IT’S ALWAYS THE ALARMING ABOUT THINGS.
IT’S ALWAYS THE ALARMING
HEADLINES. IT’S ALWAYS THE ALARMING
HEADLINES.
BUT FOR US HERE, THE PART OF HEADLINES.
BUT FOR US HERE, THE PART OF
WHAT’S GOING ON IS WE MEET BUT FOR US HERE, THE PART OF
WHAT’S GOING ON IS WE MEET
ONCE A YEAR AND WE SHARE WHAT’S GOING ON IS WE MEET
ONCE A YEAR AND WE SHARE
FOOD, WE SHARE THOUGHTS, AND ONCE A YEAR AND WE SHARE
FOOD, WE SHARE THOUGHTS, AND
WE MEET EACH OTHER, AND IN A FOOD, WE SHARE THOUGHTS, AND
WE MEET EACH OTHER, AND IN A
TRILOGUE, JEWISH, CHRISTIANS, WE MEET EACH OTHER, AND IN A
TRILOGUE, JEWISH, CHRISTIANS,
MUSLIMS TALKING TOGETHER, WE TRILOGUE, JEWISH, CHRISTIANS,
MUSLIMS TALKING TOGETHER, WE
MEET WITH EACH OTHER AND TALK MUSLIMS TALKING TOGETHER, WE
MEET WITH EACH OTHER AND TALK
WITH EACH OTHER, RATHER THAN MEET WITH EACH OTHER AND TALK
WITH EACH OTHER, RATHER THAN
AT, AND THAT’S ONE OF THE WITH EACH OTHER, RATHER THAN
AT, AND THAT’S ONE OF THE
CHALLENGES IN A DIFFICULT AT, AND THAT’S ONE OF THE
CHALLENGES IN A DIFFICULT
SITUATION LIKE THIS, WHERE CHALLENGES IN A DIFFICULT
SITUATION LIKE THIS, WHERE
YOU BRING UP TOPICS, AND THEN SITUATION LIKE THIS, WHERE
YOU BRING UP TOPICS, AND THEN
AFTER TALKING TOGETHER, WALK YOU BRING UP TOPICS, AND THEN
AFTER TALKING TOGETHER, WALK
AWAY. AFTER TALKING TOGETHER, WALK
AWAY.
>>I THINK THE REAL ISSUE IS AWAY.
>>I THINK THE REAL ISSUE IS
THAT WE ARE NOT IN ANY >>I THINK THE REAL ISSUE IS
THAT WE ARE NOT IN ANY
SUFFICIENT WAY TALKING TO AND THAT WE ARE NOT IN ANY
SUFFICIENT WAY TALKING TO AND
WITH ONE ANOTHER. SUFFICIENT WAY TALKING TO AND
WITH ONE ANOTHER.
I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO THIS WITH ONE ANOTHER.
I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO THIS
DURING THE PROGRAM, SOMEONE I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO THIS
DURING THE PROGRAM, SOMEONE
D. WHEN YOU SAID THAT ONE OF DURING THE PROGRAM, SOMEONE
D. WHEN YOU SAID THAT ONE OF
THE THINGS WE DON’T TALK D. WHEN YOU SAID THAT ONE OF
THE THINGS WE DON’T TALK
ABOUT IS RELIGION. THE THINGS WE DON’T TALK
ABOUT IS RELIGION.
THE PROBLEM IS WE DESPERATELY ABOUT IS RELIGION.
THE PROBLEM IS WE DESPERATELY
NEED TO TALK ABOUT OUR FAITH, THE PROBLEM IS WE DESPERATELY
NEED TO TALK ABOUT OUR FAITH,
AND WHEN WE DO, I THINK MORE NEED TO TALK ABOUT OUR FAITH,
AND WHEN WE DO, I THINK MORE
OFTEN THAN NOT, WE DISCOVER AND WHEN WE DO, I THINK MORE
OFTEN THAN NOT, WE DISCOVER
COMMONALITY, WE DISCOVER THAT OFTEN THAN NOT, WE DISCOVER
COMMONALITY, WE DISCOVER THAT
WE ARE NEIGHBORS, WE DISCOVER COMMONALITY, WE DISCOVER THAT
WE ARE NEIGHBORS, WE DISCOVER
THAT WE CARE ABOUT THE SAME WE ARE NEIGHBORS, WE DISCOVER
THAT WE CARE ABOUT THE SAME
CITY AND THE SAME REGION, WE THAT WE CARE ABOUT THE SAME
CITY AND THE SAME REGION, WE
CARE ABOUT THE SCHOOLS AND CITY AND THE SAME REGION, WE
CARE ABOUT THE SCHOOLS AND
THE HEALTH CARE AND THE CARE ABOUT THE SCHOOLS AND
THE HEALTH CARE AND THE
TRANSPORTATION. THE HEALTH CARE AND THE
TRANSPORTATION.
WE LIVE HERE TOGETHER. TRANSPORTATION.
WE LIVE HERE TOGETHER.
BUT TAKES COMING TO THE WE LIVE HERE TOGETHER.
BUT TAKES COMING TO THE
TABLE, IT TAKES CREATING BUT TAKES COMING TO THE
TABLE, IT TAKES CREATING
OCCASIONS TO GET TO KNOW ONE TABLE, IT TAKES CREATING
OCCASIONS TO GET TO KNOW ONE
ANOTHER. OCCASIONS TO GET TO KNOW ONE
ANOTHER.
AND THEN THE REWARD IS ANOTHER.
AND THEN THE REWARD IS
EXTRAORDINARY. AND THEN THE REWARD IS
EXTRAORDINARY.
>>DO YOU RECOGNIZE, THOUGH, EXTRAORDINARY.
>>DO YOU RECOGNIZE, THOUGH,
THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE, THAT >>DO YOU RECOGNIZE, THOUGH,
THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE, THAT
MAY SEEM LIKE A FRIGHTENING THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE, THAT
MAY SEEM LIKE A FRIGHTENING
THING TO DO, A SCARY THING TO MAY SEEM LIKE A FRIGHTENING
THING TO DO, A SCARY THING TO
DO AND AT MINIMUM AN AWKWARD THING TO DO, A SCARY THING TO
DO AND AT MINIMUM AN AWKWARD
THING TO DO TO APPROACH DO AND AT MINIMUM AN AWKWARD
THING TO DO TO APPROACH
SOMEONE OF A DIFFERENT FAITH THING TO DO TO APPROACH
SOMEONE OF A DIFFERENT FAITH
WITH A REAL INTENTION OF SOMEONE OF A DIFFERENT FAITH
WITH A REAL INTENTION OF
WANTING TO HAVE THAT WITH A REAL INTENTION OF
WANTING TO HAVE THAT
CONVERSATION BUT NOT KNOWING WANTING TO HAVE THAT
CONVERSATION BUT NOT KNOWING
HOW TO DO IT, HOW TO ENTER CONVERSATION BUT NOT KNOWING
HOW TO DO IT, HOW TO ENTER
INTO IT? HOW TO DO IT, HOW TO ENTER
INTO IT?
>>I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND INTO IT?
>>I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND
RESPECT THAT. >>I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND
RESPECT THAT.
BUT I COME BACK TO SOME VERY RESPECT THAT.
BUT I COME BACK TO SOME VERY
PRACTICAL THINGS. BUT I COME BACK TO SOME VERY
PRACTICAL THINGS.
I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO PRACTICAL THINGS.
I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO
CONVENE THAT REDUCE THE I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO
CONVENE THAT REDUCE THE
TENSION. CONVENE THAT REDUCE THE
TENSION.
THE SIMPLEST WAY IS AROUND A TENSION.
THE SIMPLEST WAY IS AROUND A
MIDDLE EAST AND WE’VE DONE THE SIMPLEST WAY IS AROUND A
MIDDLE EAST AND WE’VE DONE
SOME OF THESE IN LOCAL MIDDLE EAST AND WE’VE DONE
SOME OF THESE IN LOCAL
CONGREGATIONS, AND WE’VE PUT SOME OF THESE IN LOCAL
CONGREGATIONS, AND WE’VE PUT
PEOPLE AT TABLES WITH SIX OR CONGREGATIONS, AND WE’VE PUT
PEOPLE AT TABLES WITH SIX OR
SEVEN OR EIGHT PEOPLE AT A PEOPLE AT TABLES WITH SIX OR
SEVEN OR EIGHT PEOPLE AT A
TABLE, MIXING UP THE SEVEN OR EIGHT PEOPLE AT A
TABLE, MIXING UP THE
DIFFERENT FAITHS, AND PEOPLE TABLE, MIXING UP THE
DIFFERENT FAITHS, AND PEOPLE
TALK ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES, DIFFERENT FAITHS, AND PEOPLE
TALK ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES,
THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY LIKE TALK ABOUT THEIR FAMILIES,
THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY LIKE
TO COOK OR LIKE TO GO OUT TO THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY LIKE
TO COOK OR LIKE TO GO OUT TO
EAT. TO COOK OR LIKE TO GO OUT TO
EAT.
IT COMES BACK TO BASICS. EAT.
IT COMES BACK TO BASICS.
>>IT KEEPS COMING BACK TO IT COMES BACK TO BASICS.
>>IT KEEPS COMING BACK TO
FOOD, I KNOW. >>IT KEEPS COMING BACK TO
FOOD, I KNOW.
>>IT DOES COME BACK TO FOOD. FOOD, I KNOW.
>>IT DOES COME BACK TO FOOD.
>>IT’S THE UNIVERSAL — IT’S >>IT DOES COME BACK TO FOOD.
>>IT’S THE UNIVERSAL — IT’S
OXYGEN. >>IT’S THE UNIVERSAL — IT’S
OXYGEN.
>>ABSOLUTELY. OXYGEN.
>>ABSOLUTELY.
>>SO REALLY, THE CHALLENGE >>ABSOLUTELY.
>>SO REALLY, THE CHALLENGE
IS WE HAVE TO HAVE RELIGION, >>SO REALLY, THE CHALLENGE
IS WE HAVE TO HAVE RELIGION,
AND THE BROAD BASE OF WHAT IS WE HAVE TO HAVE RELIGION,
AND THE BROAD BASE OF WHAT
RELIGION IS. AND THE BROAD BASE OF WHAT
RELIGION IS.
ISLAM, SKWRAOUZISM, RELIGION IS.
ISLAM, SKWRAOUZISM,
CHRISTIANITY, PWAOUZISM, ISLAM, SKWRAOUZISM,
CHRISTIANITY, PWAOUZISM,
HINDUISM, ALL THE — CHRISTIANITY, PWAOUZISM,
HINDUISM, ALL THE —
HINDUISM, ALL THE GROUPS, AND HINDUISM, ALL THE —
HINDUISM, ALL THE GROUPS, AND
THE COMMUNITY’S INPUT, THE HINDUISM, ALL THE GROUPS, AND
THE COMMUNITY’S INPUT, THE
TOTAL FAITH COMMUNITY’S THE COMMUNITY’S INPUT, THE
TOTAL FAITH COMMUNITY’S
INPUT. TOTAL FAITH COMMUNITY’S
INPUT.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF SITUATIONS, INPUT.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF SITUATIONS,
AND VOICES THAT TEND TO BE YOU HAVE A LOT OF SITUATIONS,
AND VOICES THAT TEND TO BE
THE MOST STRIDENT VOICES. AND VOICES THAT TEND TO BE
THE MOST STRIDENT VOICES.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST THE MOST STRIDENT VOICES.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST
NIGHT, WHO THREATENS THE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST
NIGHT, WHO THREATENS THE
MOST, AND THE ONE WITH THE NIGHT, WHO THREATENS THE
MOST, AND THE ONE WITH THE
BAGGEST STAKES HAVE THE MOST, AND THE ONE WITH THE
BAGGEST STAKES HAVE THE
LOUDEST VOICES AND WE LOSE BAGGEST STAKES HAVE THE
LOUDEST VOICES AND WE LOSE
THE DYNAMIC OF THE TOTAL LOUDEST VOICES AND WE LOSE
THE DYNAMIC OF THE TOTAL
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE THE DYNAMIC OF THE TOTAL
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE
REALLY ARE, SO YOU ONLY GET DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE
REALLY ARE, SO YOU ONLY GET
AN IMAGE ABOUT WHAT YOU HEAR REALLY ARE, SO YOU ONLY GET
AN IMAGE ABOUT WHAT YOU HEAR
IN THE SOUND BITES THAT SHOW AN IMAGE ABOUT WHAT YOU HEAR
IN THE SOUND BITES THAT SHOW
UP, RATHER THAN WHAT PEOPLE IN THE SOUND BITES THAT SHOW
UP, RATHER THAN WHAT PEOPLE
REALLY ARE. UP, RATHER THAN WHAT PEOPLE
REALLY ARE.
AND THE IMPORTANCE OF REALLY ARE.
AND THE IMPORTANCE OF
RELIGION AND FAITH AND AND THE IMPORTANCE OF
RELIGION AND FAITH AND
SPIRITUALITY, IN THE VERY RELIGION AND FAITH AND
SPIRITUALITY, IN THE VERY
REAL WORLD DISCUSSIONS OF SPIRITUALITY, IN THE VERY
REAL WORLD DISCUSSIONS OF
EVERYTHING THAT WE DEAL WITH. REAL WORLD DISCUSSIONS OF
EVERYTHING THAT WE DEAL WITH.
>>TELL ME ABOUT THE MUSLIM EVERYTHING THAT WE DEAL WITH.
>>TELL ME ABOUT THE MUSLIM
COMMUNITY IN RICHMOND. >>TELL ME ABOUT THE MUSLIM
COMMUNITY IN RICHMOND.
HOW BIG IS IT, HOW OLD IS IT? COMMUNITY IN RICHMOND.
HOW BIG IS IT, HOW OLD IS IT?
AND WHO IS THERE? HOW BIG IS IT, HOW OLD IS IT?
AND WHO IS THERE?
THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, IT’S AND WHO IS THERE?
THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, IT’S
BEEN HERE FOR A LONG, LONG THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, IT’S
BEEN HERE FOR A LONG, LONG
TIME, BUT IT’S BEEN AN BEEN HERE FOR A LONG, LONG
TIME, BUT IT’S BEEN AN
INVISIBLE COMMUNITY. TIME, BUT IT’S BEEN AN
INVISIBLE COMMUNITY.
IT’S BEEN REALLY GROWING THE INVISIBLE COMMUNITY.
IT’S BEEN REALLY GROWING THE
LAST 40 PLUS YEARS, AND IT’S IT’S BEEN REALLY GROWING THE
LAST 40 PLUS YEARS, AND IT’S
NOW MORE THAN 10,000 PEOPLE LAST 40 PLUS YEARS, AND IT’S
NOW MORE THAN 10,000 PEOPLE
HERE LOCALLY, AND IN NOW MORE THAN 10,000 PEOPLE
HERE LOCALLY, AND IN
VIRGINIA, IT IS A VERY LARGE HERE LOCALLY, AND IN
VIRGINIA, IT IS A VERY LARGE
CONCENTRATION OF MUSLIMS, OF VIRGINIA, IT IS A VERY LARGE
CONCENTRATION OF MUSLIMS, OF
COURSE. CONCENTRATION OF MUSLIMS, OF
COURSE.
THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IS COURSE.
THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IS
EXTREMELY DIVERSE. THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IS
EXTREMELY DIVERSE.
THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE EXTREMELY DIVERSE.
THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE
REFUGEES JUST ARRIVING ON OUR THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE
REFUGEES JUST ARRIVING ON OUR
SHORES FROM EVERY POSSIBLE REFUGEES JUST ARRIVING ON OUR
SHORES FROM EVERY POSSIBLE
AREA IN THE WORLD. SHORES FROM EVERY POSSIBLE
AREA IN THE WORLD.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE AREA IN THE WORLD.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS.
THE SORT OF MAINSTAYS OF OUR BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS.
THE SORT OF MAINSTAYS OF OUR
COMMUNITY ARE PROFESSIONAL THE SORT OF MAINSTAYS OF OUR
COMMUNITY ARE PROFESSIONAL
PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO WORK IN COMMUNITY ARE PROFESSIONAL
PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO WORK IN
THE MEDICAL FIELD, EDUCATION, PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO WORK IN
THE MEDICAL FIELD, EDUCATION,
INDUSTRY, GOVERNMENT, AND THE MEDICAL FIELD, EDUCATION,
INDUSTRY, GOVERNMENT, AND
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE INDUSTRY, GOVERNMENT, AND
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE
MILITARY. PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE
MILITARY.
WE HAVE, OF COURSE, IN EVERY MILITARY.
WE HAVE, OF COURSE, IN EVERY
MUSLIM COMMUNITY, PLENTY OF WE HAVE, OF COURSE, IN EVERY
MUSLIM COMMUNITY, PLENTY OF
SERVICE MEMBERS AS WELL. MUSLIM COMMUNITY, PLENTY OF
SERVICE MEMBERS AS WELL.
SO WE CAN’T REALLY STEREOTYPE SERVICE MEMBERS AS WELL.
SO WE CAN’T REALLY STEREOTYPE
A COMMUNITY AS ONE THING OR SO WE CAN’T REALLY STEREOTYPE
A COMMUNITY AS ONE THING OR
ANOTHER. A COMMUNITY AS ONE THING OR
ANOTHER.
IT REPRESENTS PEOPLE OF EVERY ANOTHER.
IT REPRESENTS PEOPLE OF EVERY
ETHNIC BACKGROUND, EVERY IT REPRESENTS PEOPLE OF EVERY
ETHNIC BACKGROUND, EVERY
INCOME LEVEL, EVERY ETHNIC BACKGROUND, EVERY
INCOME LEVEL, EVERY
EDUCATIONAL LEVEL. INCOME LEVEL, EVERY
EDUCATIONAL LEVEL.
>>HIGHLY EDUCATED. EDUCATIONAL LEVEL.
>>HIGHLY EDUCATED.
I HAD A SENSE WHEN YOU WERE >>HIGHLY EDUCATED.
I HAD A SENSE WHEN YOU WERE
TALKING ABOUT THE I HAD A SENSE WHEN YOU WERE
TALKING ABOUT THE
PROFESSIONAL LEVEL, MEDICINE, TALKING ABOUT THE
PROFESSIONAL LEVEL, MEDICINE,
THAT THERE WAS MORE OF A BENT PROFESSIONAL LEVEL, MEDICINE,
THAT THERE WAS MORE OF A BENT
TOWARDS BEING HIGHLY THAT THERE WAS MORE OF A BENT
TOWARDS BEING HIGHLY
EDUCATED. TOWARDS BEING HIGHLY
EDUCATED.
>>THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IN EDUCATED.
>>THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IN
THE UNITED STATES ON A WHOLE >>THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IN
THE UNITED STATES ON A WHOLE
IS STATISTICALLY MORE THE UNITED STATES ON A WHOLE
IS STATISTICALLY MORE
EDUCATED AND AFFLUENT THAN IS STATISTICALLY MORE
EDUCATED AND AFFLUENT THAN
PERHAPS THE CHRISTIAN EDUCATED AND AFFLUENT THAN
PERHAPS THE CHRISTIAN
COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH WE’RE PERHAPS THE CHRISTIAN
COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH WE’RE
1 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION, COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH WE’RE
1 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION,
BUT IT IS ACTUALLY VERY 1 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION,
BUT IT IS ACTUALLY VERY
DIVERSE. BUT IT IS ACTUALLY VERY
DIVERSE.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO JUST MIG DIVERSE.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO JUST MIG
RATED HERE WHO BARELY SPEAK WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO JUST MIG
RATED HERE WHO BARELY SPEAK
ENGLISH AND PEOPLE FROM A RATED HERE WHO BARELY SPEAK
ENGLISH AND PEOPLE FROM A
POOR BACKGROUND. ENGLISH AND PEOPLE FROM A
POOR BACKGROUND.
>>AT THE RICHMOND FORUM, WE POOR BACKGROUND.
>>AT THE RICHMOND FORUM, WE
DIDN’T DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE >>AT THE RICHMOND FORUM, WE
DIDN’T DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE
EVERYONE ON THE STAGE WAS DIDN’T DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE
EVERYONE ON THE STAGE WAS
MUSLIM, BUT NOW WE HAVE A EVERYONE ON THE STAGE WAS
MUSLIM, BUT NOW WE HAVE A
MUSLIM, A JEW AND CHRISTIAN. MUSLIM, BUT NOW WE HAVE A
MUSLIM, A JEW AND CHRISTIAN.
>>A WALKING JOKE. MUSLIM, A JEW AND CHRISTIAN.
>>A WALKING JOKE.
>>AND BUT TELL ME ABOUT — >>A WALKING JOKE.
>>AND BUT TELL ME ABOUT —
YOU HAVE USED THE WORD >>AND BUT TELL ME ABOUT —
YOU HAVE USED THE WORD
COMMONALITIES AMONG THE YOU HAVE USED THE WORD
COMMONALITIES AMONG THE
FAITHS. COMMONALITIES AMONG THE
FAITHS.
ALL THREE FAITHS RECOGNIZE FAITHS.
ALL THREE FAITHS RECOGNIZE
ABRAHAM, ALL THREE FAITHS ALL THREE FAITHS RECOGNIZE
ABRAHAM, ALL THREE FAITHS
WORSHIP ONE GOD. ABRAHAM, ALL THREE FAITHS
WORSHIP ONE GOD.
BUT THOSE ARE THE BASICS. WORSHIP ONE GOD.
BUT THOSE ARE THE BASICS.
THOSE ARE IMPORTANT BASICS. BUT THOSE ARE THE BASICS.
THOSE ARE IMPORTANT BASICS.
BUT BEYOND THAT, WHEN YOU THOSE ARE IMPORTANT BASICS.
BUT BEYOND THAT, WHEN YOU
CHAT WITH ONE ANOTHER, DO YOU BUT BEYOND THAT, WHEN YOU
CHAT WITH ONE ANOTHER, DO YOU
DISCOVER MORE DIFFERENCES OR CHAT WITH ONE ANOTHER, DO YOU
DISCOVER MORE DIFFERENCES OR
MORE SIMILARITIES OR A RICH DISCOVER MORE DIFFERENCES OR
MORE SIMILARITIES OR A RICH
TREASURE OF BOTH OF THOSE MORE SIMILARITIES OR A RICH
TREASURE OF BOTH OF THOSE
THINGS? TREASURE OF BOTH OF THOSE
THINGS?
>>I THINK WE SEE MORE THINGS?
>>I THINK WE SEE MORE
SIMILARITIES. >>I THINK WE SEE MORE
SIMILARITIES.
JUST BEFORE THE CAMERA BEGAN SIMILARITIES.
JUST BEFORE THE CAMERA BEGAN
ROLLING, WE WERE TALKING JUST BEFORE THE CAMERA BEGAN
ROLLING, WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT COMMONALITIES IN ROLLING, WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT COMMONALITIES IN
PRACTICE BETWEEN MUSLIMS AND ABOUT COMMONALITIES IN
PRACTICE BETWEEN MUSLIMS AND
JEWS AND THE JEWISH ORIGIN OF PRACTICE BETWEEN MUSLIMS AND
JEWS AND THE JEWISH ORIGIN OF
CERTAIN CHRISTIAN IDEAS — JEWS AND THE JEWISH ORIGIN OF
CERTAIN CHRISTIAN IDEAS —
IDEAS. CERTAIN CHRISTIAN IDEAS —
IDEAS.
WE HAVE COMMON ROOTS. IDEAS.
WE HAVE COMMON ROOTS.
AND I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT WE HAVE COMMON ROOTS.
AND I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT
WHEN WE CONVENE PEOPLE TO AND I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT
WHEN WE CONVENE PEOPLE TO
TALK ABOUT OUR COMMONALITIES WHEN WE CONVENE PEOPLE TO
TALK ABOUT OUR COMMONALITIES
WE FIND SIMILARITIES IN WAYS TALK ABOUT OUR COMMONALITIES
WE FIND SIMILARITIES IN WAYS
WE PRAY, SIMILARITIES IN WAYS WE FIND SIMILARITIES IN WAYS
WE PRAY, SIMILARITIES IN WAYS
WE TRY TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN WE PRAY, SIMILARITIES IN WAYS
WE TRY TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN
THE VALUES OF THE FAITH. WE TRY TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN
THE VALUES OF THE FAITH.
SO WE HAVE DEEP, DEEP COMMON THE VALUES OF THE FAITH.
SO WE HAVE DEEP, DEEP COMMON
ROOTS. SO WE HAVE DEEP, DEEP COMMON
ROOTS.
>>THE CHALLENGE IS ALWAYS ROOTS.
>>THE CHALLENGE IS ALWAYS
HAVING SIRTE IN — — >>THE CHALLENGE IS ALWAYS
HAVING SIRTE IN — —
CONFIDENCE IN YOUR OWN FAITH HAVING SIRTE IN — —
CONFIDENCE IN YOUR OWN FAITH
THAT — CONFIDENCE IN YOUR OWN FAITH
THAT —
>>WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT —
>>WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY
CONFIDENCE IN OUR OWN FAITH. >>WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY
CONFIDENCE IN OUR OWN FAITH.
>>MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE CONFIDENCE IN OUR OWN FAITH.
>>MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE
TALK TO EACH OTHER, WE COME >>MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE
TALK TO EACH OTHER, WE COME
FROM THE LEVEL OF I DON’T TALK TO EACH OTHER, WE COME
FROM THE LEVEL OF I DON’T
KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEY OWN FROM THE LEVEL OF I DON’T
KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEY OWN
FAITH. KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEY OWN
FAITH.
MOST JEWS DON’T KNOW THAT FAITH.
MOST JEWS DON’T KNOW THAT
MUCH ABOUT ISLAM, THEY DON’T MOST JEWS DON’T KNOW THAT
MUCH ABOUT ISLAM, THEY DON’T
KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT MUCH ABOUT ISLAM, THEY DON’T
KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT
CHRISTIANITY, MOST CHRISTIANS KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT
CHRISTIANITY, MOST CHRISTIANS
DON’T KNOW ABOUT JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY, MOST CHRISTIANS
DON’T KNOW ABOUT JUDAISM AND
CERTAINLY DON’T KNOW MUCH DON’T KNOW ABOUT JUDAISM AND
CERTAINLY DON’T KNOW MUCH
ABOUT ISLAM AND MOST MUSLIMS CERTAINLY DON’T KNOW MUCH
ABOUT ISLAM AND MOST MUSLIMS
AREN’T BETTER EDUCATED IN ABOUT ISLAM AND MOST MUSLIMS
AREN’T BETTER EDUCATED IN
MOST CASES ABOUT THE OTHER AREN’T BETTER EDUCATED IN
MOST CASES ABOUT THE OTHER
RELIGIONS AS WELL. MOST CASES ABOUT THE OTHER
RELIGIONS AS WELL.
WE ALL KNOW BITS AND PIECES, RELIGIONS AS WELL.
WE ALL KNOW BITS AND PIECES,
STRAW MEN AND WOMEN THAT WE WE ALL KNOW BITS AND PIECES,
STRAW MEN AND WOMEN THAT WE
SET OUT. STRAW MEN AND WOMEN THAT WE
SET OUT.
THE MORE WE KNOW ABOUT EACH SET OUT.
THE MORE WE KNOW ABOUT EACH
OTHER, THE MORE WE FIND THAT THE MORE WE KNOW ABOUT EACH
OTHER, THE MORE WE FIND THAT
WE SHARE CERTAIN COMMON VALUE OTHER, THE MORE WE FIND THAT
WE SHARE CERTAIN COMMON VALUE
S, CARE FOR THE PERSON, WE SHARE CERTAIN COMMON VALUE
S, CARE FOR THE PERSON,
CARE FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND S, CARE FOR THE PERSON,
CARE FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND
REALIZE THAT AS WE LEARN MORE CARE FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND
REALIZE THAT AS WE LEARN MORE
ABOUT EACH OTHER, WE ENHANCE REALIZE THAT AS WE LEARN MORE
ABOUT EACH OTHER, WE ENHANCE
OUR OWN SENSE OF CONFIDENCE ABOUT EACH OTHER, WE ENHANCE
OUR OWN SENSE OF CONFIDENCE
WITHIN OUR OWN RELIGIOUS OUR OWN SENSE OF CONFIDENCE
WITHIN OUR OWN RELIGIOUS
COMMUNITY AND CAN REACH OUT WITHIN OUR OWN RELIGIOUS
COMMUNITY AND CAN REACH OUT
MORE CONFIDENTLY AND MORE COMMUNITY AND CAN REACH OUT
MORE CONFIDENTLY AND MORE
COOPERATIVELY TO REALIZE ALL MORE CONFIDENTLY AND MORE
COOPERATIVELY TO REALIZE ALL
OF US TOGETHER CREATE A MUCH COOPERATIVELY TO REALIZE ALL
OF US TOGETHER CREATE A MUCH
GREATER SENSE OF SPIRITUAL OF US TOGETHER CREATE A MUCH
GREATER SENSE OF SPIRITUAL
STRENGTH. GREATER SENSE OF SPIRITUAL
STRENGTH.
>>ALL THREE OF THE STRENGTH.
>>ALL THREE OF THE
COMMUNITIES ARE OF MIDDLE >>ALL THREE OF THE
COMMUNITIES ARE OF MIDDLE
EASTERN ORIGIN, THEY SHARE A COMMUNITIES ARE OF MIDDLE
EASTERN ORIGIN, THEY SHARE A
COMMON HERITAGE. EASTERN ORIGIN, THEY SHARE A
COMMON HERITAGE.
THEY ARE ALL FROM THAT COMMON HERITAGE.
THEY ARE ALL FROM THAT
SEMITTIC CULTURE OF THE THEY ARE ALL FROM THAT
SEMITTIC CULTURE OF THE
ANCIENT NEAR EAST. SEMITTIC CULTURE OF THE
ANCIENT NEAR EAST.
AND WE HAVE A LOT IN COMMON. ANCIENT NEAR EAST.
AND WE HAVE A LOT IN COMMON.
WE CELEBRATE OUR RELIGIOUS AND WE HAVE A LOT IN COMMON.
WE CELEBRATE OUR RELIGIOUS
VALUES DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE WE CELEBRATE OUR RELIGIOUS
VALUES DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE
SHARE THE SAME ETHICAL AND VALUES DIFFERENTLY, BUT WE
SHARE THE SAME ETHICAL AND
MORAL VALUES AND SAME SHARE THE SAME ETHICAL AND
MORAL VALUES AND SAME
COMMITMENT TO THE SAME BASIC MORAL VALUES AND SAME
COMMITMENT TO THE SAME BASIC
COMMANDMENTS OF CARING FOR COMMITMENT TO THE SAME BASIC
COMMANDMENTS OF CARING FOR
OUR FELLOW MAN AND OUR COMMANDMENTS OF CARING FOR
OUR FELLOW MAN AND OUR
COMMUNITY. OUR FELLOW MAN AND OUR
COMMUNITY.
BUT THOSE ARE CELEBRATED WITH COMMUNITY.
BUT THOSE ARE CELEBRATED WITH
DIFFERENT RITUAL ACTIONS THAT BUT THOSE ARE CELEBRATED WITH
DIFFERENT RITUAL ACTIONS THAT
ARE DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT RITUAL ACTIONS THAT
ARE DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE AND
VALUABLE. ARE DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE AND
VALUABLE.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE VALUABLE.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE
FACT THAT YOU CAN’T INTERPRET YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE
FACT THAT YOU CAN’T INTERPRET
THE CURAN WITHOUT REFERENCE FACT THAT YOU CAN’T INTERPRET
THE CURAN WITHOUT REFERENCE
TO JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY, THE CURAN WITHOUT REFERENCE
TO JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY,
AND I THINK IN CHRISTIANITY, TO JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY,
AND I THINK IN CHRISTIANITY,
IT IS DEPENDENT ALSO ON THE AND I THINK IN CHRISTIANITY,
IT IS DEPENDENT ALSO ON THE
JEWISH ROOTS. IT IS DEPENDENT ALSO ON THE
JEWISH ROOTS.
AND ALL OF US NEED THE OTHER, JEWISH ROOTS.
AND ALL OF US NEED THE OTHER,
AND WE CAN’T ACTUALLY — IN AND ALL OF US NEED THE OTHER,
AND WE CAN’T ACTUALLY — IN
FACT, WE ARE RICHER BECAUSE AND WE CAN’T ACTUALLY — IN
FACT, WE ARE RICHER BECAUSE
OF OUR ASSOCIATION. FACT, WE ARE RICHER BECAUSE
OF OUR ASSOCIATION.
AND WE WOULD BE POORER OF OUR ASSOCIATION.
AND WE WOULD BE POORER
WITHOUT THE OTHER. AND WE WOULD BE POORER
WITHOUT THE OTHER.
AND IT GIVES US A MEANING AND WITHOUT THE OTHER.
AND IT GIVES US A MEANING AND
PURPOSE. AND IT GIVES US A MEANING AND
PURPOSE.
COMPARING AND CONTRASTING PURPOSE.
COMPARING AND CONTRASTING
MAKES US ALL UNDERSTAND OUR COMPARING AND CONTRASTING
MAKES US ALL UNDERSTAND OUR
OWN TRADITIONS BETTER. MAKES US ALL UNDERSTAND OUR
OWN TRADITIONS BETTER.
>>SO WE’VE SPENT A COUPLE OF OWN TRADITIONS BETTER.
>>SO WE’VE SPENT A COUPLE OF
MINUTES TALKING ABOUT WHAT’S >>SO WE’VE SPENT A COUPLE OF
MINUTES TALKING ABOUT WHAT’S
COMMON, AND THE FACT THAT MINUTES TALKING ABOUT WHAT’S
COMMON, AND THE FACT THAT
THIS WAS CONTROVERSIAL IN THE COMMON, AND THE FACT THAT
THIS WAS CONTROVERSIAL IN THE
FIRST PLACE GOES NOT ONLY TO THIS WAS CONTROVERSIAL IN THE
FIRST PLACE GOES NOT ONLY TO
THE FACT OF THE WAY THE FIRST PLACE GOES NOT ONLY TO
THE FACT OF THE WAY THE
QUESTION WAS RAISED AT THE THE FACT OF THE WAY THE
QUESTION WAS RAISED AT THE
FORUM, BUT ALSO, REVEREND, QUESTION WAS RAISED AT THE
FORUM, BUT ALSO, REVEREND,
YOU SAID THAT THERE ARE FORUM, BUT ALSO, REVEREND,
YOU SAID THAT THERE ARE
DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS TO BE YOU SAID THAT THERE ARE
DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS TO BE
HAD. DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS TO BE
HAD.
SO RATHER THAN LEAVE THIS HAD.
SO RATHER THAN LEAVE THIS
BEING JUST A LOVEFEST, WHICH SO RATHER THAN LEAVE THIS
BEING JUST A LOVEFEST, WHICH
IT’S GREAT THAT IT CAN BE, BEING JUST A LOVEFEST, WHICH
IT’S GREAT THAT IT CAN BE,
AND IT’S CLEAR THAT YOU ARE IT’S GREAT THAT IT CAN BE,
AND IT’S CLEAR THAT YOU ARE
ALL COMFORTABLE WITH ONE AND IT’S CLEAR THAT YOU ARE
ALL COMFORTABLE WITH ONE
ANOTHER, LET’S TALK A LITTLE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH ONE
ANOTHER, LET’S TALK A LITTLE
ABOUT WHAT THE DIFFICULT ANOTHER, LET’S TALK A LITTLE
ABOUT WHAT THE DIFFICULT
CONVERSATIONS ARE. ABOUT WHAT THE DIFFICULT
CONVERSATIONS ARE.
REVEREND, WHAT IS IT THAT IS CONVERSATIONS ARE.
REVEREND, WHAT IS IT THAT IS
HARD TO TALK ABOUT? REVEREND, WHAT IS IT THAT IS
HARD TO TALK ABOUT?
>>ONE THING THAT’S CERTAINLY HARD TO TALK ABOUT?
>>ONE THING THAT’S CERTAINLY
HARD TO TALK ABOUT IS A >>ONE THING THAT’S CERTAINLY
HARD TO TALK ABOUT IS A
CONFLICTED HISTORY. HARD TO TALK ABOUT IS A
CONFLICTED HISTORY.
IN THE CASE OF CHRISTIANITY, CONFLICTED HISTORY.
IN THE CASE OF CHRISTIANITY,
THERE WAS AN EPISODE A IN THE CASE OF CHRISTIANITY,
THERE WAS AN EPISODE A
THOUSAND YEARS AGO KNOWN AS THERE WAS AN EPISODE A
THOUSAND YEARS AGO KNOWN AS
THE CRUSADE. THOUSAND YEARS AGO KNOWN AS
THE CRUSADE.
IN FACT — THAT WORD IN SOME THE CRUSADE.
IN FACT — THAT WORD IN SOME
SENSE HAS BEEN SEIZED UPON BY IN FACT — THAT WORD IN SOME
SENSE HAS BEEN SEIZED UPON BY
EXTREMISTS TO TRY TO FLAG — SENSE HAS BEEN SEIZED UPON BY
EXTREMISTS TO TRY TO FLAG —
>>WHO IS EXTREMIST? EXTREMISTS TO TRY TO FLAG —
>>WHO IS EXTREMIST?
>>IN THIS CASE, MIDDLE >>WHO IS EXTREMIST?
>>IN THIS CASE, MIDDLE
EASTERN EXTREMISTS, PRIMARILY >>IN THIS CASE, MIDDLE
EASTERN EXTREMISTS, PRIMARILY
MUSLIM EXTREMIST *S, WHO EASTERN EXTREMISTS, PRIMARILY
MUSLIM EXTREMIST *S, WHO
WOULD FLAG THE CRUSADES AS AN MUSLIM EXTREMIST *S, WHO
WOULD FLAG THE CRUSADES AS AN
EPISODE THAT CHARACTERIZES WOULD FLAG THE CRUSADES AS AN
EPISODE THAT CHARACTERIZES
CHRISTIANITY FOR ALL TIME AND EPISODE THAT CHARACTERIZES
CHRISTIANITY FOR ALL TIME AND
CHARACTERIZES WESTERN CHRISTIANITY FOR ALL TIME AND
CHARACTERIZES WESTERN
POLITICAL INTENTIONS TODAY CHARACTERIZES WESTERN
POLITICAL INTENTIONS TODAY
AND THE CRUSADE IS CERTAINLY POLITICAL INTENTIONS TODAY
AND THE CRUSADE IS CERTAINLY
AN EPISODE IN THE HISTORY OF AND THE CRUSADE IS CERTAINLY
AN EPISODE IN THE HISTORY OF
CHRISTIANITY THAT ARE AN EPISODE IN THE HISTORY OF
CHRISTIANITY THAT ARE
REGRETFUL, TO SAY THE LEAST, CHRISTIANITY THAT ARE
REGRETFUL, TO SAY THE LEAST,
IF NOT SHAMEFUL. REGRETFUL, TO SAY THE LEAST,
IF NOT SHAMEFUL.
SO WE HAVE A CONFLICTED IF NOT SHAMEFUL.
SO WE HAVE A CONFLICTED
HISTORY THAT WE DO NEED TO SO WE HAVE A CONFLICTED
HISTORY THAT WE DO NEED TO
MOVE BEYOND. HISTORY THAT WE DO NEED TO
MOVE BEYOND.
AND I CAN’T SAY THAT WITHOUT MOVE BEYOND.
AND I CAN’T SAY THAT WITHOUT
MENTIONING THE HOL CAUST — AND I CAN’T SAY THAT WITHOUT
MENTIONING THE HOL CAUST —
HOLE COST AS — HOLOCAUST AS MENTIONING THE HOL CAUST —
HOLE COST AS — HOLOCAUST AS
WELL. HOLE COST AS — HOLOCAUST AS
WELL.
THE DIFFICULT ISSUES IN THE WELL.
THE DIFFICULT ISSUES IN THE
PAST AND THE DIFFERENCES THE DIFFICULT ISSUES IN THE
PAST AND THE DIFFERENCES
AMONG US TODAY ARE NOT PAST AND THE DIFFERENCES
AMONG US TODAY ARE NOT
IMPEDIMENTS, THEY ARE AMONG US TODAY ARE NOT
IMPEDIMENTS, THEY ARE
INCENTIVES. IMPEDIMENTS, THEY ARE
INCENTIVES.
>>AND I’M GOING TO ASK YOU INCENTIVES.
>>AND I’M GOING TO ASK YOU
WHETHER JUST THE EXISTENCE OF >>AND I’M GOING TO ASK YOU
WHETHER JUST THE EXISTENCE OF
ISRAEL AND PALESTINE — WHETHER JUST THE EXISTENCE OF
ISRAEL AND PALESTINE —
>>I THINK THAT IS A ISRAEL AND PALESTINE —
>>I THINK THAT IS A
QUESTION, ON MANY LEVELS, >>I THINK THAT IS A
QUESTION, ON MANY LEVELS,
IT’S POLITICAL. QUESTION, ON MANY LEVELS,
IT’S POLITICAL.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST IT’S POLITICAL.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST
TIME. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST
TIME.
IS IT RELIGIOUS. TIME.
IS IT RELIGIOUS.
WELL, SOMETIMES WE WILL TAKE IS IT RELIGIOUS.
WELL, SOMETIMES WE WILL TAKE
RELIGION AND USE IT AS A WELL, SOMETIMES WE WILL TAKE
RELIGION AND USE IT AS A
PRETEXT. RELIGION AND USE IT AS A
PRETEXT.
BUT IT IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS PRETEXT.
BUT IT IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS
TO BE DISCUSSED. BUT IT IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS
TO BE DISCUSSED.
AND IT’S A HARD QUESTION AND TO BE DISCUSSED.
AND IT’S A HARD QUESTION AND
THE JEWISH COMMUNITY HAS TO AND IT’S A HARD QUESTION AND
THE JEWISH COMMUNITY HAS TO
DEAL WITH IT, THE ISLAMIC THE JEWISH COMMUNITY HAS TO
DEAL WITH IT, THE ISLAMIC
COMMUNITY HAS TO DEAL WITH DEAL WITH IT, THE ISLAMIC
COMMUNITY HAS TO DEAL WITH
IT. COMMUNITY HAS TO DEAL WITH
IT.
>>WHAT DO YOU SAY IN THAT IT.
>>WHAT DO YOU SAY IN THAT
CONVERSATION? >>WHAT DO YOU SAY IN THAT
CONVERSATION?
WHAT IS THAT CONVERSATION? CONVERSATION?
WHAT IS THAT CONVERSATION?
>>I MIGHT SAY SOMETHING WHAT IS THAT CONVERSATION?
>>I MIGHT SAY SOMETHING
DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS WILL. >>I MIGHT SAY SOMETHING
DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS WILL.
BUT I HAVE CERTAIN VIEWS ON DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS WILL.
BUT I HAVE CERTAIN VIEWS ON
WHICH I DON’T BELIEVE THAT BUT I HAVE CERTAIN VIEWS ON
WHICH I DON’T BELIEVE THAT
JUDAISM CAN LEGITIMATELY — WHICH I DON’T BELIEVE THAT
JUDAISM CAN LEGITIMATELY —
AND OTHER PEOPLE CAN HAVE A JUDAISM CAN LEGITIMATELY —
AND OTHER PEOPLE CAN HAVE A
SECOND AREA SITUATION WHEN IT AND OTHER PEOPLE CAN HAVE A
SECOND AREA SITUATION WHEN IT
COMES TO GOVERNANCE AND SECOND AREA SITUATION WHEN IT
COMES TO GOVERNANCE AND
FREEDOM. COMES TO GOVERNANCE AND
FREEDOM.
THAT’S NOT A JEWISH VALUE. FREEDOM.
THAT’S NOT A JEWISH VALUE.
SO I HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT’S NOT A JEWISH VALUE.
SO I HAVE TO LOOK AT
TWO-STATE SOLUTIONS AND SO I HAVE TO LOOK AT
TWO-STATE SOLUTIONS AND
ISSUES OF THAT NATURE. TWO-STATE SOLUTIONS AND
ISSUES OF THAT NATURE.
YET, STILL, UNDERSTAND THAT ISSUES OF THAT NATURE.
YET, STILL, UNDERSTAND THAT
THE FULL RIGHT AND PRIVILEGE YET, STILL, UNDERSTAND THAT
THE FULL RIGHT AND PRIVILEGE
OF THE JEWISH STATE, TO BE A THE FULL RIGHT AND PRIVILEGE
OF THE JEWISH STATE, TO BE A
THRIVING JEWISH STATE THERE, OF THE JEWISH STATE, TO BE A
THRIVING JEWISH STATE THERE,
IT SHOULD NOT BE TO THE THRIVING JEWISH STATE THERE,
IT SHOULD NOT BE TO THE
EXCLUSION OF OTHER PEOPLE. IT SHOULD NOT BE TO THE
EXCLUSION OF OTHER PEOPLE.
>>DO YOU FIND YOU CAN HAVE EXCLUSION OF OTHER PEOPLE.
>>DO YOU FIND YOU CAN HAVE
THAT CONVERSATION, FIRST OF >>DO YOU FIND YOU CAN HAVE
THAT CONVERSATION, FIRST OF
ALL, WITH OTHER JEWS AND CAN THAT CONVERSATION, FIRST OF
ALL, WITH OTHER JEWS AND CAN
YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ALL, WITH OTHER JEWS AND CAN
YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION
WITH MUSLIMS IN A YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION
WITH MUSLIMS IN A
CONSTRUCTIVE WAY, WHERE WITH MUSLIMS IN A
CONSTRUCTIVE WAY, WHERE
ANYTHING POSITIVE COMES OUT CONSTRUCTIVE WAY, WHERE
ANYTHING POSITIVE COMES OUT
OF IT, ASIDE FROM YOU BOTH ANYTHING POSITIVE COMES OUT
OF IT, ASIDE FROM YOU BOTH
ASSERTING YOUR POINTS OF OF IT, ASIDE FROM YOU BOTH
ASSERTING YOUR POINTS OF
VIEW? ASSERTING YOUR POINTS OF
VIEW?
>>SOMETIMES I CAN HAVE A VIEW?
>>SOMETIMES I CAN HAVE A
MORE EFFECTIVE END TO THAT >>SOMETIMES I CAN HAVE A
MORE EFFECTIVE END TO THAT
CONVERSATION ON THE ISLAMIC MORE EFFECTIVE END TO THAT
CONVERSATION ON THE ISLAMIC
SIDE THAN IN SOME CASES IN CONVERSATION ON THE ISLAMIC
SIDE THAN IN SOME CASES IN
THE JEWISH COMMUNITY. SIDE THAN IN SOME CASES IN
THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
I THINK, YES, WE ARE READY THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
I THINK, YES, WE ARE READY
FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS. I THINK, YES, WE ARE READY
FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
THOSE ARE HARD, HARD FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
THOSE ARE HARD, HARD
DISCUSSIONS AND WE HAVE TO THOSE ARE HARD, HARD
DISCUSSIONS AND WE HAVE TO
GET PAST TALKING AT EACH DISCUSSIONS AND WE HAVE TO
GET PAST TALKING AT EACH
OTHER AND TALKING ABOUT AND GET PAST TALKING AT EACH
OTHER AND TALKING ABOUT AND
WITH EACH OTHER ON HOW TO OTHER AND TALKING ABOUT AND
WITH EACH OTHER ON HOW TO
COME TO CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE WITH EACH OTHER ON HOW TO
COME TO CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE
SPIRITUAL, BENEFICIAL AND COME TO CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE
SPIRITUAL, BENEFICIAL AND
APPROPRIATE FOR EVERYBODY. SPIRITUAL, BENEFICIAL AND
APPROPRIATE FOR EVERYBODY.
>>IMAM, SAME QUESTION FOR APPROPRIATE FOR EVERYBODY.
>>IMAM, SAME QUESTION FOR
YOU, WHAT ARE THE HARD >>IMAM, SAME QUESTION FOR
YOU, WHAT ARE THE HARD
CONVERSATIONS? YOU, WHAT ARE THE HARD
CONVERSATIONS?
>>MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS, CONVERSATIONS?
>>MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS,
AMERICANS OF ALL FAITHS HAVE >>MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS,
AMERICANS OF ALL FAITHS HAVE
IDEALS, AND THEY BELIEVE VERY AMERICANS OF ALL FAITHS HAVE
IDEALS, AND THEY BELIEVE VERY
OFTEN THAT THEY HAVE IDEALS IDEALS, AND THEY BELIEVE VERY
OFTEN THAT THEY HAVE IDEALS
WHICH ARE VALUABLE AND THAT OFTEN THAT THEY HAVE IDEALS
WHICH ARE VALUABLE AND THAT
SHOULD BE SHARED, AND THEY WHICH ARE VALUABLE AND THAT
SHOULD BE SHARED, AND THEY
SOMETIMES REACH OTHERS WHO SHOULD BE SHARED, AND THEY
SOMETIMES REACH OTHERS WHO
OPPOSE OTHERS’ VIEWPOINTS. SOMETIMES REACH OTHERS WHO
OPPOSE OTHERS’ VIEWPOINTS.
BUT WE HAVE THIS IDEA THAT WE OPPOSE OTHERS’ VIEWPOINTS.
BUT WE HAVE THIS IDEA THAT WE
CAN USE VIOLENCE TO ELIMINATE BUT WE HAVE THIS IDEA THAT WE
CAN USE VIOLENCE TO ELIMINATE
OPPOSITION TO OUR IDEAL, SO CAN USE VIOLENCE TO ELIMINATE
OPPOSITION TO OUR IDEAL, SO
TO JUSTIFY THAT, WE MIGHT USE OPPOSITION TO OUR IDEAL, SO
TO JUSTIFY THAT, WE MIGHT USE
VIOLENCE IN THE NAME OF TO JUSTIFY THAT, WE MIGHT USE
VIOLENCE IN THE NAME OF
DEMOCRACY OR CAPITALISM OR IN VIOLENCE IN THE NAME OF
DEMOCRACY OR CAPITALISM OR IN
THE NAME OF ISLAM OR ANY DEMOCRACY OR CAPITALISM OR IN
THE NAME OF ISLAM OR ANY
OTHER RELIGION. THE NAME OF ISLAM OR ANY
OTHER RELIGION.
AND THAT IS A COMMON PROBLEM OTHER RELIGION.
AND THAT IS A COMMON PROBLEM
OF HUMANITY, WHERE WE HAVE AND THAT IS A COMMON PROBLEM
OF HUMANITY, WHERE WE HAVE
TODAY BUDDHISTS, MONKS, OF HUMANITY, WHERE WE HAVE
TODAY BUDDHISTS, MONKS,
LEADING MASSACRES OF MUSLIM TODAY BUDDHISTS, MONKS,
LEADING MASSACRES OF MUSLIM
CIVILIANS. LEADING MASSACRES OF MUSLIM
CIVILIANS.
AND WE DON’T HAVE TO TALK CIVILIANS.
AND WE DON’T HAVE TO TALK
ABOUT TERRORISM IN THE NAME AND WE DON’T HAVE TO TALK
ABOUT TERRORISM IN THE NAME
OF ISLAM, WHICH IS ALL OVER ABOUT TERRORISM IN THE NAME
OF ISLAM, WHICH IS ALL OVER
THE MEDIA. OF ISLAM, WHICH IS ALL OVER
THE MEDIA.
SO THE REAL QUESTION, THE THE MEDIA.
SO THE REAL QUESTION, THE
REAL HARD TOPIC, IS WHY WE SO THE REAL QUESTION, THE
REAL HARD TOPIC, IS WHY WE
STILL ARE CONVINCED THAT REAL HARD TOPIC, IS WHY WE
STILL ARE CONVINCED THAT
VIOLENCE IS GOING TO SOLVE STILL ARE CONVINCED THAT
VIOLENCE IS GOING TO SOLVE
OUR PROBLEMS ON THIS PLANET. VIOLENCE IS GOING TO SOLVE
OUR PROBLEMS ON THIS PLANET.
AND THAT’S A PROBLEM THAT ALL OUR PROBLEMS ON THIS PLANET.
AND THAT’S A PROBLEM THAT ALL
OF US SHARE AND THAT NONE OF AND THAT’S A PROBLEM THAT ALL
OF US SHARE AND THAT NONE OF
US ARE FREE FROM OR INNOCENT OF US SHARE AND THAT NONE OF
US ARE FREE FROM OR INNOCENT
OF. US ARE FREE FROM OR INNOCENT
OF.
>>LAST THING I WANT TO ASK OF.
>>LAST THING I WANT TO ASK
YOU, THE THREE OF YOU, >>LAST THING I WANT TO ASK
YOU, THE THREE OF YOU,
GETTING ALONG WITH ONE YOU, THE THREE OF YOU,
GETTING ALONG WITH ONE
ANOTHER, YOU ARE ROLE MODELS GETTING ALONG WITH ONE
ANOTHER, YOU ARE ROLE MODELS
OUT THERE, BUT HOW DIFFICULT ANOTHER, YOU ARE ROLE MODELS
OUT THERE, BUT HOW DIFFICULT
IS IT FOR PEOPLE TO BE YOU? OUT THERE, BUT HOW DIFFICULT
IS IT FOR PEOPLE TO BE YOU?
ARE YOU SPECIAL GUYS IN IS IT FOR PEOPLE TO BE YOU?
ARE YOU SPECIAL GUYS IN
HAVING FIGURED THIS OUT? ARE YOU SPECIAL GUYS IN
HAVING FIGURED THIS OUT?
DID YOU HAVE TO WORK AT THIS? HAVING FIGURED THIS OUT?
DID YOU HAVE TO WORK AT THIS?
DID YOU MAKE A DECISION TO DO DID YOU HAVE TO WORK AT THIS?
DID YOU MAKE A DECISION TO DO
THIS? DID YOU MAKE A DECISION TO DO
THIS?
OR TO JUST — DID IT KIND OF THIS?
OR TO JUST — DID IT KIND OF
COME UP NATURALLY? OR TO JUST — DID IT KIND OF
COME UP NATURALLY?
>>IT CAME UP NATURALLY. COME UP NATURALLY?
>>IT CAME UP NATURALLY.
I WILL SAY THAT WE — I THINK >>IT CAME UP NATURALLY.
I WILL SAY THAT WE — I THINK
EACH OF US HAD TO HAVE A I WILL SAY THAT WE — I THINK
EACH OF US HAD TO HAVE A
CERTAIN COMFORT LEVEL TO EVEN EACH OF US HAD TO HAVE A
CERTAIN COMFORT LEVEL TO EVEN
GET TOGETHER WITH ONE ANOTHER CERTAIN COMFORT LEVEL TO EVEN
GET TOGETHER WITH ONE ANOTHER
IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT ONCE GET TOGETHER WITH ONE ANOTHER
IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT ONCE
WE GOT TOGETHER, WE IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT ONCE
WE GOT TOGETHER, WE
DISCOVERED THAT WE CARED WE GOT TOGETHER, WE
DISCOVERED THAT WE CARED
ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY, WE DISCOVERED THAT WE CARED
ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY, WE
DISCOVERED THAT OUR FAITH HAD ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY, WE
DISCOVERED THAT OUR FAITH HAD
REALLY BROUGHT US TOGETHER, DISCOVERED THAT OUR FAITH HAD
REALLY BROUGHT US TOGETHER,
AND THEN WE FOUND THAT WE REALLY BROUGHT US TOGETHER,
AND THEN WE FOUND THAT WE
LIKED EACH OTHER. AND THEN WE FOUND THAT WE
LIKED EACH OTHER.
>>SO IT CAN WORK. LIKED EACH OTHER.
>>SO IT CAN WORK.
IT CAN WORK. >>SO IT CAN WORK.
IT CAN WORK.
>>I’VE MET THOUSANDS OF IT CAN WORK.
>>I’VE MET THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE, CHRISTIANS AND >>I’VE MET THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE, CHRISTIANS AND
ESPECIALLY — JEWS AND PEOPLE PEOPLE, CHRISTIANS AND
ESPECIALLY — JEWS AND PEOPLE
OF OTHER FAITH AND NO FAITH ESPECIALLY — JEWS AND PEOPLE
OF OTHER FAITH AND NO FAITH
WHO HAVE COME TO OUR MOSQUE OF OTHER FAITH AND NO FAITH
WHO HAVE COME TO OUR MOSQUE
OR WHO INVITE US TO COME AND WHO HAVE COME TO OUR MOSQUE
OR WHO INVITE US TO COME AND
SPEAK TO THEIR PLACE OF OR WHO INVITE US TO COME AND
SPEAK TO THEIR PLACE OF
WORSHIP OR THEIR SCHOOLS OR SPEAK TO THEIR PLACE OF
WORSHIP OR THEIR SCHOOLS OR
OTHER FORUMS, AND I HAVE MET WORSHIP OR THEIR SCHOOLS OR
OTHER FORUMS, AND I HAVE MET
PEOPLE WHO WEREN’T VERY NICE, OTHER FORUMS, AND I HAVE MET
PEOPLE WHO WEREN’T VERY NICE,
AND I’VE MET MUSLIMS I DIDN’T PEOPLE WHO WEREN’T VERY NICE,
AND I’VE MET MUSLIMS I DIDN’T
LIKE VERY MUCH, BUT OVERALL, AND I’VE MET MUSLIMS I DIDN’T
LIKE VERY MUCH, BUT OVERALL,
MOST PEOPLE ARE POLITE AND LIKE VERY MUCH, BUT OVERALL,
MOST PEOPLE ARE POLITE AND
NICE AND IF YOU CAN GET OVER MOST PEOPLE ARE POLITE AND
NICE AND IF YOU CAN GET OVER
DIFFERENCES OF OPINION AND NICE AND IF YOU CAN GET OVER
DIFFERENCES OF OPINION AND
LOOK IT TO THE PEOPLE AS DIFFERENCES OF OPINION AND
LOOK IT TO THE PEOPLE AS
HUMANS, YOU WILL USUALLY FIND LOOK IT TO THE PEOPLE AS
HUMANS, YOU WILL USUALLY FIND
A GOOD RESULT IN THE END AND HUMANS, YOU WILL USUALLY FIND
A GOOD RESULT IN THE END AND
THAT’S MY EXPERIENCE, AND I A GOOD RESULT IN THE END AND
THAT’S MY EXPERIENCE, AND I
KEEP MY FAITH IN HUMANITY AS THAT’S MY EXPERIENCE, AND I
KEEP MY FAITH IN HUMANITY AS
A WHOLE. KEEP MY FAITH IN HUMANITY AS
A WHOLE.
>>I WANT TO THANK THE THREE A WHOLE.
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100 comments

  1. Hirsi is very confused. She has no logical arguments against Islam and just trying to convince to have the benefits from the Anti Islamic Countries. She is just intetested in making money.

  2. Muslims are being hammered everywhere by Non Muslims because Islam is the religion of peace. Otherwise we are very capable to completely hammer the Non Muslims for ever. Our hands are handcuffed because of Islamic Laws of Peace, Humsnity , Forgiveness etc.

  3. Too many moderates is bad, they get too comfortable, feel they are too strong for an overthrow. Our country WAS FOUNDED on people who rebelled and wanted something better, now were turning into the same country we came from.

  4. I guess the first step is to elect one person as the head. Else every Imam can interpret whatever they want

  5. Ayan Hirsi Ali is a liar. Kicked out from Europe for lying. Now sponsored by conservatives in the America to malign Islam to keep the war going. Keep making things up, keep telling westerners about who their enemy is. It's working

  6. Little me can not follow. The father Muhammed was the 3. – a bit more difficult and did not meet family that received and challenged – it could be better sharper in this area. Hence the stretching of the back – healthy. I would find it more utilizing to in the manic lucid sword to have a side story of how Moses and Muhammed met in Egypt or Libya under other names at there day of and the young Jesus came bye and they smiled. All our titled gods and messengers where there. Two fathers finally relaxing shoulder by shoulder. The family of children – a wave of drowsiness. Moses spotted the image of the farmer with something stuck to his tractor but kept on forward. They both where trying to move building blocks of a what you call society. All religion, mythology, history the ancestors that failed that we remember in front of us. I am a bit bored with atheism. They are stories that come to us when needed. What The father Muhammed acted seems very natural and yes some tired or young people take a wrong step that is our collective mistake. The young Arabian boys are like me naughty but civilised. We elevate our women we like them. Islam can be what ever we its surroundings want it to be.

  7. I would suggest this poor uneducated Women to read little bet about Islamic history . And I would like to remind her it is your civilized western world sustaining radical groups in Middle East not us Muslims .
    How beautifully Allah States in Quran:

    And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers." Chapter (2) sūrat l-baqarah (The Cow)

    Stop talking rubbish about Islam and make your society a living society .

  8. It's not difficult to claim your "religion" is peacefull, after you GENOCIDE EVERYONE WHO DISAGREE!!!!!!!!

  9. Reform in Muslim world can't come from within, because if you question the Quran (which you need for reform) you become an apostate and if you continue to live in the Muslim world, you are soon dead, so you need to leave. Even Majid can't enter the Muslim world as he wishes, so basically he is an outsider too.

  10. Maajid Nawaz' group is Quilliam named after an English convert to Islam and who built the 1st mosque in England.  Quilliam argued that Muslims should not fight Muslims on behalf of European powers.[13] He denounced British foreign policy in Sudan[14] and called for a worldwide Caliphate.[15] His political views and allegiance to the Ottoman Caliph led some to denounce him as a traitor.[16]   worldwide caliphate is the concept of a single one-world government, supported in particular by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic fundamentalist militant group the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.[1][2] Why does no one ask him why he chose this name?  It sounds like a strange name to choose in conjunction with his speech above.

  11. I like Ayaan pretty much, but she is also pretty much wrong by constantly being tired of "not accepting" that the terrorists use the Qur'an. Well, it's not true. It simply isn't. If it was, there would be more terrorists.
    And after all, Majeed talks about it in 32nd minute and around that. He, who was this guy, says: "It does not come through the scripture". She was hurt by those who were brought into it by lies it was from scripture. It's not, it's the interpretation of the scripture.

  12. So Just bcz Saudi Arabia( one fucking country run by a absolutist monarch that isnt even islamic) proves that Islam forbids women from driving?

  13. the question it's islam is violence religions? there is no answer put denial & denial & maybe let's talk about the crusaders & the Buddhist and all other religions .i think we need more a100 Ayaan Hirsi Ali to educate the world about the dangerous of the reality

  14. Islam is not just a Religion. It is also a political doctrine that wants to impose its faith to the entire humanity. The famous Oumma.

  15. When you read the Quran Saudi is not Muslim not Islam it is Jews and Christian but Muhammad battle and kill all Jews and Christian in Saudi and he make his own religion. The problem of this two gentleman is hiding the truth of the Quran but telling Quran is the word of God? If Quran is the word of God why they ignored the Quran? Ayaan is quoted the quran the doctrine of Islam. Don't deny the Ruth of Islam why they are a killer.

  16. It is so funny that a 1400 yes ago Islam cannot understand their Quran why? Because Quran is not a word of God but a word from Satan. That is why ayaan want to change something and that is funny because Quran say the Quran cannot be change or corrupt? If the Quran is not corrupt why they cannot defend their faith? You Muslim if you don't chance and accept the fact that only the Bible is the true word of God.

  17. MAJID NAWAZ S ARGUMENTS ABOUT MISINTERPRETATION OF QURAN DOESNT STAND… BY HIS THOUGHTS MUSLIMS R INTERPRETING QURAN IN A WRONG MANNER SINCE THE BIRTH OF ISLAM…. DOES THIS SOUND LOGICAL?? IT LOOKS LIKE THEY INTREPRETING IN A RIGHT WAY

  18. Dear Ayaan..from 13.00 onwards I know how devastated you were and the ground under your feet almost rattled,with the witty remarks and eloquent responses from the two brilliant speakers.Even the moderator almost put you out of breath when he asked how it was possible for you to fight from within with your reformation proposals when you denounced Islam and became atheist instead.Anyhow I really hope that you will repent and come back to the fold of Islam as Allah is Most Merciful and Most Forgiving.and at this corner of my bedroom in Kuala Lumpur at this wee hour of the morning I am raising my hands in prayer and doa for your repentence.

  19. Question to ayaan "what is owning your sexuality?" "Does a man own his sexuality?" Im a man and dont feel like i own my sexuality to fearlessly let my self go to "sexual freedom" which in actuality is a form of darkness and slavery to harm .i fear my Creator and bear witness that i submit my free will unto my Lord His Majesty. I dont seduce women or use magically suduction methods to trick ppl . so ayaan breathe in and out. And read the rights of women in islam .

  20. Ayaan is a atheist .so how can morality come in to context ?she doesnt believe in God. she believes whatever is in accordance with her desires. Not what God said in the scriptures. So she will lie,cheat,fornicate,and commit IDOLATRY without fear of a punishment from God. Bcuz she doesnt believe in God.and she is misguided.

  21. I don't think Maajid is entirely right about Islam, but between him and Ali, he probably has a better chance at being able to reform Islam since he's a practicing Muslim and former Islamist.

  22. The enemy of Zionists , CIA and the west was Hitler and his allies , then communism , then islamic terrorism , then dictators …
    even if all this stuff is erradicated .. they will create another enemy .. how ? i guess you have a brain and two eyes .. just think about it and see the big picture
    by the way I'm muslim and proud of it

  23. I always try to give Maajid Nawas the benefit of the doubt but he always seems to try his best to blur what the Quran says and pretty much tries to say "Islam is whatever you want to make it, but if people follow it to the letter they've misunderstood it". He can't say that Islam is a religion of peace, but is also adamant that Islam is NOT a religion of violence. I don't understand what his motives are. Is he really so naïve to think people get to create their own "Islam" or is he doing his best to try and get the Western Worlds guard down.

  24. Maajjd roasted her referring to the institution of the blasphemy laws by the Brits.

    She just says stuff without expecting anyone to correct her.

    Yes, she needs to stay away from intelligent Muslims.

  25. Firetruck Islam!
    "THE POOR WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU".
    I like how all these $Millionaires always speak so altruistically about helping the poor. Just a bunch of BS, Barry Soetero.

  26. The Imam thinks everyone is responsible to solve the extremists of Islam. The fact is there is no religious group as devastating and feared as Islam. Stop trying to put all religions into a box. Islam more than needs a reform. Islam is the cancer of the 21st century.

    Moreover, identify politics is deeply rooted in Islam. Stop pulling in Christians, Buddhists and other Religions.

  27. Ayaan is just clueless and naive, but a clever opportunist … I don't know why an ex-practitioner (or affiliate, more accurately) of a religion who wasn't even a dedicated or knowledgeable practitioner in the first place, is suddenly and "expert" on that religion who can speak about "reform"??? Yes she's brave and all the rest of that nonsense, but she is also an opportunist who capitalized against the PC culture using the shields of her own background, skin-color and gender to get through it and be heard. That's what made her the "darling" at the time, because she could say what others couldn't, not because of any intelligence or intellectual thought. So for example @1:02 she talks about "editing" and "reform" …. completely naive and ridiculous. And when the moderator points out that the same cherry picking of "violence" (which I don't accept) can be done with the Bible, she says Christianity has already been through that (their inquisitions, witch-burning, reformation, etc) …. well, you weren't talking about that! … you were talking about "editing" sacred texts … has Christianity done that? No! Are there still verses promoting violence in the Bible? Yes … so it's only Muslims that you are asking to "edit" a scripture that they believe is revelation from God? … ridiculous! … get Christians to edit the Bible since you are so accepted in the West, then maybe you will have some success convincing Muslims to do the same with the Qur'an.

  28. 1:51:00 I'm in awe at the apologist catholic priest when he said that The Crusades were "regretful" and "shameful". He needs to learn about what led to The Crusades. I highly doubt that those 4 people nor their families would exist if it wasn't for The Crusades. Of course, the Imam didn't apologise for his religion being the catalyst for The Crusades.

  29. Ayaan Hirsi is the only one who is the honest one in this discussion. Too bad, we, no-muslims are going to pay for their inability to agree to recognize the problem. Everyone knows that if you don't point at the problem, and say " Yes, this is the problem" you can't resolve it, because for you the problem doesn't exist.

  30. Corey Booker – “Before you speak to me about your religion, first show it to me in how you treat other people; before you tell me how much you love your God, show me in how much you love all His children; before you preach to me of your passion for your faith, teach me about it through your compassion for your neighbors. In the end, I’m not as interested in what you have to tell or sell as I am in how you choose to live and give.”

  31. My question/comment is that how can the Imam blame the lack of the reformist Imam's message being effective was lack of media coverage. Thats bullshit. All the Imams should unite behind the right-minded imam and spread the truth not say his liberal/reformist viewpoint never took off because it wasn't cover on TV.

  32. Lady's and Gentlemen, Brothers and Sisters, that is how you hold a civil, respectful, and engaging debate on a very hard issue to talk about at the moment. I love to see the Imam's love and respect for the values of the country he lives in, and without hesitation or second thought dismissed the ridiculous marriage of religion and politics.

  33. When this guy says he wishes the centrists on these issues should band together and take away the agenda from the extremists . . .well sorry sir we've tried that . . .. those people are now mostly living with 24/7 security because of death threats by muslims, lol
    How big or small do you think this problem is mutha fcka??? LMFAO

  34. While the Imam spoke well in his first speech, he didn't explain how Muslim moderates can prevail over radical and fundamentalist Islam. What he seems to be advocating for is that Imam scholars (men) get together and interpret their texts, but he doesn't seem to believe any reforms are necessary…. at the same time Ayaan Hirsi Ali points out that the radicals and fundamentalists can be charismatic and influential and that there is substantial scripture that can be evoked to support practices like subjugation of women…. he later struggled to admit the foundations of Islam in the conquering of nations and groups in military warfare. The fact many Muslims live peacefully doesn't indicate the peacefulness of the text or the religion, it merely demonstrates most people themselves are non-violent. yeah the old testament is full of similar oppressive and violent passages, but the Christians have Jesus who it is said was influenced by the East and certainly preached a message of peace and tolerance.

  35. "The Ottomans ruled over Arabs," very true, there were no Palestinians, they were created in 1964 by the Arab League.

  36. The only person on this panel that makes sense is Ayaan who stays on the topic of discussion whereas the other two speakers use diversionary tactics to skirt the main issue at hand.
    Islam = No Human Rights. Whenever the topic is Islam, muslims will always drag the crusades and America or even jews/Israel to defend Islam. That shows Islam cannot stand alone and clearly shows that something is inherently wrong with Islam in itself.

  37. Fuck u ,, Majid Nawaz and somalies bitch while u using our names to become founder of islamic shit who came from ur own fathers and mother's ibrahimtic religion and it's believes ,, using richness and money and don't think somalies and East Africa and North Africa is not counted when u use them in other side to run away or doing anything even if they act they are not from u ,, u made the freedom community ,, hazib Al tahrir belong to us off course so when even nobody know about u put it at us and run away in levant and make it as Arab as u think ,, then it belongs to u ,, fuck u with working with even know ur country even u make me one of u ,, in any language I will write it , ,get the fuck in the whole world where u exist from secular freedom religion meeting education labor anything belong to u ,, and what are u doing Iranians Arabs pakistanies indians srliankans somalies Kenyan ethiopeans tanzanians egyptions morrocan all ur way of life and ur companies and education and beards and shaving ,, when u will not use our name. I read about ur origin of league and where it was and how was it. To earn a visa and off course u will get English or USA passport so u think embassies will protect u. Curse the day and curse the moment that u use our name in levant to put something our struggle or suffering as ur source and talk about us while u held responsible for ibrham and Adam and his stories with stories of fake in Africa where u make it ,, one day u will live in Pakistan India Dubai u will see people don't like u will change to China Indonesia philpine then in Europe like England and Germany and others then inside Africa where u find ur own people working and generation after generation to inside Africa and u use money invest and anything belong to u inside countries in Africa like kenya Tanzania Uganda Sudan Egypt Nigeria Ghana Angola south Africa morroco and make knowledge of of all people to know where they go how they behave ,, fuck u all ,, u are the one who organize the whole world and u are mad at there is still u don't control ,, u are zionest and Anglo sixon in another colour u are nazies and democarcy while u will be the head of criticizing of it and u are the one as the same as them by another name and another laws and regulations ,, Everytime trying to create new environment. Even the lowest terror stuiped Jew zionest are better than ur own idelogy and community. This is where the fight started u need ur own ethnicity and people to continue in prosper and to protect them by replacing them . I hope I don't live to see u in power or community or anywhere where I live or any political presidential or country or community or even praying ,, hope to die better for me ,, all of ur fucking business companies mosques meetings ,, by the way people somalies and sudanies and egyptions and Arabs and pakistanies and India are srilankans always fighting debauting and talking to death to each others and they get raised together family beside family. So they each other and they know they responsible for all that heat in the world and they use our names plus colonel even said it by it own book. They come from the same father and mother living together. It's really u will be in heat and hating ur self when u be in there emind behaving like them or being one of them , u will be hating the day u have become there friends or becoming in touch of them or becomingg one of them or even went to there worshipping places stayed in there country, it's one of hell experience from all kind of aspects ,, it's humilation to go even against them or even humilation to be with them ,, even as male to marry from them even to get kids from them even to know about them,, know the truth that paksitanies are the one who bring this people to England and to paksitanies and India even they blow him with suffering and slavery , everyday they fight each from kids untill they grow up

    PS for any help I will answer ur questions one by one and I hope I'm clear to it , for there own countries and there own community and how they are and how they laugh at each other then they love each other

  38. Islam is the largest oldest murder cult in the world going back centuries. In the Koran has verses calling for the murder of all non Muslims. That's the rest of the world. In the USA Sharia law is against federal law since 1965.
    The Wccarran Walters act forbids sharia law on United States soil including all territories. It was reinstated in 1965 look it up and spread the word.
    These people do not want to integrate they want to destroy WORLD.

  39. Ayaan is the only person who speaks with sense, truthful, knowledgeable and without reservation in this panel👍❤️😇

  40. Ayaan and Majid spoke with an open mind while Rauf is just misdirecting people as most Muslims today are. And the moderator being apologetic once in while about calling a spade a spade is the problem that other religions are guilty of in spreading fundamentalist Islam

  41. If you have something bad about Islam, China, Russia etc, you will be given the podium and stage to attack. Islam is a religion of peace, no doubt.

  42. Criticism of the Quran is forbidden in Islam. Apostasy in Islam is punishable by death. Core Islamic principles don't accommodate for the tolerance of non-muslims. The very fact that such a high level of security is required to protect Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Maajid Nawaz both on the stage and in their daily lives supports the motion that Islam is not a religion of peace.

  43. I’m sorry but the countries under ottoman rule were by no means a “safe haven” (or at least not according to Bulgarian history). Let me start by pointing out the obvious – IF ottoman rule was actually a good and wonderful thing then there wouldn’t have been any revolts against it and Bulgarian works of literature that are considered classics and are mandatory to study in school wouldn’t describe ottoman Bulgaria as terrible as they do.
    Since I don’t think that first part is going to sway anybody, let’s look at an actual event: the Batak massacre. This is arguably one of the most tragic and horrific events in Bulgarian history in which a disastrous number of people (men, women and children) were raped, slaughtered, beheaded or burnt alive. There was an American journalist (Januarius McGahan) who describes this atrocity. However, the 500 years of genocide, rape and other atrocities are conveniently left out in modern Turkish history.
    The imam claims something akin to religious freedom in countries during ottoman rule, however I’d have to disagree. Initially most people had the status of dhimmis and even though later on they were treated more as equals they still had the status of infidels until the liberation in 1878. That being said, there were members of the aristocracy that converted to Islam to keep their authority but there were also many that were forced to convert against their will.
    Also, just as a side note – there was the so called “blood tax” because of which young Bulgarian boys were taken from their families and sent to Muslim schools to become soldiers.
    That being said, if you want to mention specific countries to argue your point at least make sure you know SOME of their history (or at least parts that are relevant to your point). NO ONE in Bulgaria is going to say “aw mate, it’s such a shame we’re no longer under ottoman rule”. The population largely has a negative attitude towards that period in history.

  44. Imam Feisal reminds me of hearing a Christian theologian…The average church going Christian does not think like the theologian.

  45. In my opinion, looking at things from a broader view Islam is not a religion of peace as seen practiced many Muslims. As long as it's not open reformation and discussions with death threat on a non Muslim talking about the faith or religion. No matter how the Muslim community itself tries to make things easy for even understanding, they will still CONTRADICT each other. Take a look at it yourself Islam has been divided assume before the death of the prophet. In my country Nigeria I have never heard of the Christians killing the Muslims or waging any form anger if not for the fact the Christians are hated and killed in some part that partially upholds Sharia Law. We see and hear different violent related views from the Muslims. I have a lot to say about this but I can't because I don't want to start running for my life. So I just have remain and die in silence. Thanks I will be glad tell any Muslim not just but Muslims who are ready to see things in general views. I am a Christian and love my Muslim friends and neighbors as myself. That's how my parent thought me.

  46. Islam Is the Religion of Peace Because its shows how honey is hide nor theif will steal thing that is women right women is honey and we want her to hide for theif Thats why marriage is allow and non marriage act which attract for sin thats works we condemn to do like Driving She Can But Few Hijab should Covered Please Read Quran You are Very Low In Knowledge. Islam is the Religion of Peace do not follow Muslim Follow Prophet Muhammad S.A.W Sahih Hadees May Allah Guide you Now is time nor this life will not come again This is Last Time Please Learn Islam Learn Islam Then Your Heart will Accept Islam Insha Allah. Ta"la

  47. Can someone PLEASE explain to Maajid Nawaz that the fact he was a "radical Muslim ready to die for his religion but is not anymore" is even more damaging to Muslims than a regular practicing Muslim???

  48. If only Christopher Hitchens was on this debate…

    Like all Imams, this one too sails down the river of denial… sugar coating and lying about what the Koran isn’t.

  49. In 50 years there will be 4 billion Muslims but no violence. Because real man and woman will figure who is religious who is bad person with out being controlled by the mainstream media. Real man and woman will find out what was the real problem of the humanity in last 100 years or little more. Over hundred years ago there was thousands of church and mosque face to face and both people where together one piece on the street. It will happen again. Real man and woman will realize who is the rat.

  50. In Pakistan there was 30 % hindu people in 1947 and now there is only 1%. This proves Islam is a religion of violence.

  51. Old man can talk and whitewash as much he wants — He will never explain away how Islam has spread so fast. It was not spreading by having discussions or explaining the idea of it. Poor people where FORCED to be part of it. It does not matter now, if SOME people think that forcing Islam is not the way to go. IT WAS. And some think it should be done again — AS Muhammad DID. Nothing to explain actually. Islam must be fully banned. And so called Muslims can choose any .. I mean ANY other religion. 🙂

  52. Ayan is a mischievous vixen.Nothing substantial coming out of her mouth.She is a prohibited immigrant finding acceptance in the West.She should be jailed for breaking all laws in the US and Netherlands.

  53. There is violence in Old Testament. But God had a specific purpose. But in the New Testament there is no violence. Jesus unlike Mohammed spoke of tolerance and peace

  54. moo-ham-madd married his six year old niece. That is their leader, a known pedophile. muslims are well known for being low IQ as they are so inbred. Know any wonderful muslim countries? No? You are right, there are NONE. All muslim countries are backwards and ignorant…due to the cult of islam.

  55. Panelist is a closet sheikh he really asked her why she talks about Islam if she isn't a Muslim? Fuck off

    Respect to Maajid for making it obvious that she and every other ex Muslim has a right to speak and feel how they wish to about Islam. Refreshing.

  56. This was a fascinating look at Islam, but all the time, I was listening to Feisel, I was thinking…
    Is that Ta'qiyya? Is that Dau'wa? Is that Tauriyya?
    Is he merely doing what he has been told to do since the Qu'ran was written, placating the naive and foolish infidels in the invaded Nation? Is he befriending the Non-Muslims, to influence them to tolerate Muslims?

    And unless they reach the point that "Their word is their bond" as people in the west are encouraged to do, then we need to be circumspect, about their motives… BUT I am willing to be educated…

  57. This Mula is dishonest as all Mula’s. He needs to read more Quran and if he had understanding difficulties he can call any Christian scholar for schooling.

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