SECOND OPINION | Reversing Heart Disease Episode | BCBS

SECOND OPINION | Reversing Heart Disease Episode | BCBS

I’M YOUR HOST, DR. PETER SALGO. THIS WEEK — Special guest Dick Dubois. He was diagnosed with heart disease and got
something that he believes saved his life. (Dick) I was concerned about the complications
of surgery, but that was never really discussed. I was told that by going through with the
surgery it would probably, but not necessarily increase my life expectancy. (Dr. Salgo) Thanks again Dick for being here
with us. It’s nice of you for joining us. (Dick) Thank you for inviting me. (Dr. Salgo) I must say, you have a fascinating
story and this is your second opinion panel; they’re here to hear it too. So let’s introduce them to you. We have primary care physician, Dr. Lisa Harris,
and Dr. Pacos, both from the from the Rochester University of Rochester Medical Center. We have Dr. Colin Campbell from Cornell University. Thank you for joining us. You’re sitting here. You look great. And I believe you recently did a triathlon. Is that right? (Dick) Yeah. (Dr. Salgo) Alright, well that doesn’t parson
out the other term to describe you when I spoke to you. And that’s heart disease. You have heart disease, triathlon, let’s step
back in time a little bit. Tell me about your past history. (Dick) I grew up an overweight child and was
overweight most of my adult life, but I was an exerciser. I ran many marathons and a couple ultra-marathons. (Dr. Salgo) When you say overweight, you’re
5 foot 6. How much did you weigh? (Dick) When I graduated from high school I
weighed about 210. (Dr. Salgo) 210, okay you weren’t massively
over-weight, but you were large. What were you eating at the time? (Dick)I was eating a lot of pasta, eggs, ice
cream, the good things. Hamburger, yes. Not a lot of vegetables. (Dr. Salgo) Then something happened to change
everything. What happened? (Dick) In 2004 I started to get exercise induced
angina (Dr. Salgo) What does that mean? Describe it. (Dick) When I was running I would get chest
pain, some pain down my arms and I would have to stop running. It would go away, but as soon as I started
it would come back. (Dr. Salgo) And you saw a doctor? (Dick) Yeah (Dr. Salgo) And, what did the doctor do? (Dick) I had a stress test and it showed that
I had some blockage in the right coronary and I decided to try to control it with diet
and exerciser. (Dr. Salgo) Did that work? (Dick) No (Dr. Salgo) So they put you on medicine. If I recall they put you on metoprolol and
nitroglycerin. (Dick) Yes, but I never used the nitroglycerin. (Dr. Salgo) You’re the doctor’s worst nightmare. They give you the medicine and you don’t take
it anyways. At any event your angina got worse or did
it get better? (Dick) It got worse. To the point where I could not run, hardly
at all. (Dr. Salgo)You had been so active, that must
have disturbed you. (Dick) Yeah, very mush so. (Dr. Salgo) So here we have another typical
story. Your wife pushed you to do more. And, what happened? (Dick) She basically required that I go see
a cardiologist and get and angiogram in September of 2005. This showed that I had an 80% blockage on
the left side and nothing on the right. (Dr. Salgo) As I recall it was actually at
the left anterior descending artery. 80%, which in medical terms is known as the
widow maker. A bad artery to have an obstruction in. So, you have a family history of heart disease (Dick) Yes (Dr. Salgo) Mom and dad and with this obstruction
documented, what did your doctor sugest you do? (Dick) They suggested that I have bypass surgery. (Dr. Salgo) That sounded rational, it was
reasonable at the time, right? (Dick) Yup (Dr. Salgo) But, in the meantime your wife
had a book. (Dick) My wife had read Dr. Campbell’s book
“The China Study” and she suggested that I should read it also. The timing was amazing. I read the chapter on broken hearts, just
about the time I had the angiogram and realized that there were options that I had not ever
been offered. (Dr. Salgo) Tell us a little bit about “The
China Study”. The book that he was reading that changed
his plans. (Dr. Campbell) Well it was back to my work
starting more than half a century ago. And I was largely focused on a question to
cure cancer and eventually concerning the effects of food on cancer. During that process, mostly through the years
at Cornell University we learned how diet can relate to these kind of diseases in a
remarkable way– heart disease being one. (Dr. Salgo) So change your diet and you can
actually reverse heart disease and effect the incidence of cancer. All these good things, but you have to make
radical changes in the way you ate. (Dr. Campbell) Yes, as far as the heart disease
research is concerned, that was my good friend in Cleveland Clinic Dr. Esteson. I was a researcher. But we could do remarkable things with food
if we did it the right way. Actually treat disease, not just prevent it. Same strategy. (Dr. Salgo) But before we go any further let’s
be clear what we are talking about. We are talking about an extraordinary change
in diet for most Americans. We are getting rid of meat proteins, you going
onto a mostly vegetable based diet, and cooking these things has to be done in a very special
way. (Dr. Campbell) Right (Dr. Salgo) If I recall, I remember you mentioned
the 80% legion. But you had a 60% blockage (Dick) Yeah, a 60% blockage and a 5 years
after that time we did find that reduction (Dr. Salgo) Well we are not going to go there
yet. But that first study showed 2 big ones. (Dick) That’s right. A 60% kind of big and an 80%, everybody agrees,
that’s big. And here is Dr. Campbell and his associates
saying not only can you stabilize your heart by eating right, but you can reverse heart
disease if you eat right. Jason, Lisa, what do you think? (Jason) I think that there is certainly a
lot of research and definitely Dr. Campbell has done a great job demonstrating this and
that certainly prevention of this is dietary. (Dr. Salgo) Ahhh, don’t weasel here. Prevention is not the same as reverse. Or treatment. (Jason) You are absolutely right. As a cardiologist, I can say that I have never
treated anyone with diet for their coronary disease, alone. (Lisa) And again, I think that you can mitigate
disease with dietary changes. (Dr. Salgo) Let me call you. You used the word mitigate. What does that mean? (Lisa) It means that you can improve some
of the symptomatology. I don’t know that we can permanently reverse
disease. I say that, not that I don’t believe that
diet can do that, the problem is our western society and the way that we live does not
allow for patients to continue on that type of diet. And many patients, folks that live in urban
areas don’t have access to some of the foods we are talking about. (Dr. Salgo) Dr. Campbell, you’ve heard skepticism. You have lived with that your whole life. How do you answer that? (Dr. Campbell) Well first off, if 26 years
isn’t reasonable time. When people stay on this diet it goes away
and it stays away. You know for as long as you like. We have records now for 27 years actually. Now, with 100% and all the people can who
can do that, it just disappears. The remarkable thing about this from my perspective
is that the reduction of angina pain goes away so fast. With Dr. Estonsin, I was telling her that
I relying on his experience particularly. Now within a week or two angina is gone. Cholesterol drops by 50-100 to 150 points. (Dr. Salgo) That being said, you’re reading
this book. You get excited and you e-mail Dr. Campbell. Then what happened? (Dick) I actually got a call the next day
by Dr. Estelson in Cleveland and within 3 or 4 days my wife and I were at his home in
Cleveland. (Dr. Salgo) Okay, and what happened? (Dick) We spent most of the day with Dr. Estelson
and his wife Ann. He reviewed the possibilities by going on
the diet and I think a big part of it was his wife Ann taught us how to prepare food
so we can go on the diet and stay on the diet. (Dr. Salgo) You got a second opinion. (Dick) We did get a second opinion, that’s
right. (Dr. Salgo) What did you do with the proposed
surgery? (Dick) I made the discussion at that time
to at least postpone the surgery and try the diet. (Dr. Salgo) I can tell you that right now
hearing that, I don’t know about you two, there are doctors in our audience that are
cringing. (Dr. Harris) Just a few palpitations. (Dr. Salgo) What do you think of that decision? (Dr. Pacos) There have to be a few things
that we are clear about. The The chest pain and the angina that you
were having at very high levels of excursion, you were running marathons. So we would classify that as rather stable
angina, at a very, very high work load. So you could do your daily activities and
have your normal life without having any symptoms. That’s a vastly different situation from people
we see, or people that I see come to the office and hospital with chest pain. So, I think certainly in that situation, we
know that you have an 80% blockage which is significant, meaning more than 75% blocked,
but it is certainly not in that critical range where you have to do something about it in
that moment. You have time, and that’s really what was
to your advantage. And if you use that time to start medications,
diet changes, whatever you use in that time, I think that that is important and we need
to clarify it’s not that you came in with a heart attack or having chest pain at rest. (Dr. Salgo) Lisa? (Dr. Harris) And I have a question that pops
into my mind is, is it truly food that’s exerting the effect or is it the reduction of the adiplus
tissues, which in and of itself is a hormone and can exert inflammatory effects. (Dr. Salgo) So you’re going to say that the
weight loss contributes to it? (Dr. Harris) Absolutely (Dr. Salgo) What did your cardiologist say
when you told him this? (Dick) They were not happy about putting off
the surgery. (Dr. Harris) But Jason has a very valid point. This is very stable angina and for most patients
we would not run into surgery. We would give you an option to try medical
or dietary measures. (Dr. Salgo) Dr. Campbell, you’ve heard the
M.D’s responses and you’ve heard his MD’s response. What do you say? (Dr. Campbell) Well I have to say that this
effect of this kind of diet is so remarkable, not only at reversing heart disease for years
and years, as long as people continue to do it, but it’s not just that, it’s what it actually
does for a whole variety of diseases and illnesses. And the effect is so rapid. I mean I came form the other side of the coin
with my research, believing the opposite. But the repeatedly and the breath of the effect,
the profoundness of the effect is far greater than any drug can do, I must say. (Dr. Salgo) Alright, then you are on a heart
healthy diet then. Can you describe it for me? (Dick) Umm, Yeah, it;s strictly plant based. Very low fat. We use no oil. No dairy, no eggs. It’s strictly plants, vegetables, grains. (Dr. Salgo) I know there are people out there
saying “my gosh, there is no protein in this diet!” Is there protein in this diet? (Dr. Campbell) Absolutely, the ideal level
of protein is found in a whole food plant based diet. I mean that’s ideal. Most people think of protein as being meat,
but it’s not. Protein is found in plants as well as animals. And so if you have a whole foods plant based
diet the level of protein is ideal and the level of antioxidants and complex carbohydrates,
and dietary fat, I mean all of that from a research perspective come together. (Dr. Salgo) This is a very good place to stop
for a moment. Stay where you are and we’ll be right back
because we’re going to pause for this week’s “Myth or Medicine”. (male voice) The key to good health is nutrition. Research has show that making lifestyle changes
can reduce the risk of heart disease but is it possible to actually go beyond reducing
the risk to actually reverse heart disease all together through diet alone? Is that Myth or Medicine? Diet alone can reverse heart disease. That is generally a myth and I’m going to
tell you why. Hi, my name is Ryan and I’m a cardiologist
at Highland Hospital and the University of Rochester Medical Center. We are very unlikely to clean out the narrowings
or blockages in the coronary arteries. We know that we can prevent them from happening
or getting worse and prevent future events through the lifestyle modifications and dietary
modifications and medication. We never completely remove the fact that a
patient has coronary artery disease. They are never cured. But it is something that is managed as a chronic
illness, compared to how you manage high blood pressure for years by taking a blood pressure
pill. Elizabeth from Seattle, WA asks:”I follow
a healthy lifestyle and I’m doing great. Can I go off my medication?” That is an individual discussion that needs
to be undertaken on patient to patient basis. But generally, most cardiologist will tell
their patients that the answer is usually no to going off of the medications. We know that it is unlikely that anything
that is done, whether it be medication or dietary modifications or vigorous exerciser
is going to completely clear up or remove blockages or narrowing in the arteries. The focus of our therapies is to holt any
progression of coronary disease, prevent future events, heart attacks, or heart failure and
control blood pressure. And that’s medicie. (Male voice) Not sure if it’s myth or medicine? Connect with us online. We will get to work and get you a second opinion. (Dr. Salgo) And we are here with Dick who
was found to have coronary heart disease, he was scheduled for surgery, read a book
and discussed to follow a different path- a diet, and see what happens as you go along
and your primary care physician was going to follow along with you. So, you didn’t have the surgery and you went
on this diet. Tell me about what happened there after. (Dick) Dr. Richardson told me to follow up
with a lipid profile within, think about three weeks after I started, and we started to see
a pretty signification drop in the LDL. (Dr. Salgo) The LDL is a so called “bad” cholesterol. And what else? (Dick) I also started seeing a pretty rapid
weightless. I was loosing weight pretty quickly. (Dr. Salgo) That was Lisa’s point. How are you feeling? How is your exercise going? (Dick) Well, I never really stopped exercising. I continued to walk, but i started to add
a little running and I stated to notice a regression of the angina I got pretty quickly. (Dr. Salgo) How quickly? (Dick) Within a few weeks (Dr. Salgo) After a year, what was you exercise
tolerance? (Dick) In a year I was back running. At first I might get a little bit of angina
but I would stop and walk a little and go on without angina. (Dr. Salgo) And after a year did you get a
repeat angiogram, did you not? (Dick) It was actually a few years afterwords. (Dr. Salgo) What did it show? (Dick) The angiogram showed reduction in the
60% blockage to 30%. The main blockage, the 80% showed no reduction. (Dr. Salgo) So here we have an angiogram,
which shows objective evidence that at least one of the blockages in your coronary artery
shrank and you have subjective evidence that you are exercising and you don’t have angina
anymore. Are you guys still skeptical? (Dr. Harris) Well, I’m glad that his symptoms
have reduced but I’m still concerned that he has an 80% blockage in the LED. (Dr. Pacos) The 60% to 30% is fairly insignificant
change. We know that a blockage of less than 75% probably
don’t matter and are best treated with medications and lifestyle changes. That 80% legion clearly did not change and
was really the cause of all your symptoms, the culprit that we need to be concerned about. (Dr. Salgo) But wait, if it is the cause of
all the symptoms and now he doesn’t have them, and in fact you just finished a triathlon,
his symptoms did get better. (Dr. Pacos) Right, I think that will angina
it’s kind of a demand and supply type phenomenon. You clearly have a lot of weigh reduction
and improved cardiovascular health and efficiency of your heart in that time period and training. It’s pretty classic. We see people that have claudication and pain
in their legs and one of the best thing they can do is walk and get exercise and the more
that they do the more they are able to do. (Dr. Harris) And again, I’m concerned that
there is a blockage in one of the main arteries and the issue is that if he is excising at
a high work load is that blockage going to com to a point where it is critical, and there
is no blood flow through that artery. (Dr. Salgo) You’ve heard these skeptical doctors,
what do you say? (Dr. Campbell) Well, every case is individual
and we know that. But people respond differently over different
periods of time. But, it is almost uniformly true that 100%
of the people respond in such a way, that 5, 10, 15 years later they don’t have evidence
of the problem. The data I’m familiar with, there is the case
of heart disease but also diabetes and a number of other diseases. As long as one stays on this, some of that
evidence may be there and it may not go away in some cases, but the fact, the reality is
you are doing well. (Dr. Salgo) But wait, let me just put it on
the table. In your view, based on his symptoms has his
heart disease reversed? Which is the key word, reversed heart disease. ((Dr. Campbell) It all depends on how you
define the word. There is a bit of a nuance when using the
word. But, it’s symptoms go away and people recover
their normal lifestyle, do dishes. What do you call that? (Dr. Salgo) Do you guys agree with this? That he has reversed heart disease, that his
symptoms have gone away. Compared to where he started, he’s better. Isn’t that reversed? (Dr. Pacos) He still has heart disease. We know he still has blockages, he still has
acrothosis and based on that his disease is still present. He is not cured of heart disease. It is very well controlled at this time. Whether that is from medication, lifestyle,
or diet all those play a role in controlling it. (Dr. Harris) He still has a blockage. I think that his symptoms are controlled and
that’s important. He’s regained the normal lifestyle and that’s
really what we want to achieve with anything we do in medicine, whether it’s diet, medication,
or otherwise. (Dr. Salgo) Alright, so let me ask this. What’s the harm? What’s the harm of going on this diet, feeling
better, having better exerciser tolerance what’s the harm? (Dr. Pacos) In this case there was very little
harm to start with because his symptoms start at very very high levels of exercise. Again, I think I came back to this. He didn’t come in with a heart attack, he
didn’t chest pain at a very low level of activity. This was a very high level, so we know that
he was in pretty good physical shape to start with and that with the dietary changes he
improved. So I think it would be a reasonable approach
when he first to say “let’s try somethings and reassess down the road. Now if you came back to the office a month
later and were having chest pain. I think we would know that things were not
working and I think we would have to revisit that. (Dr. Campbell) I think we are getting too
technical and are parsing words. And we have to go back and look at our definitions
and assumptions basically. I could say the same thing for cancer. I mean we all have carcinogenic sort of seeds,
if you will, that in our tissues most of our lifetime. And for those who are inclined to get diabetes,
or are inclined to get one of the auto immune diseases, the root causes for that will probably
remain in our tissues for their lifetimes because all of this is genetically based. (Dr. Harris) I absolutely agree that diet
is of paramount importance and lifestyle changes are of paramount importance and probably if
someone had talked to him about your book earlier on we might have been able to see
greater changes. The concern that I have is that I don’t want
patients to think that they are cured and that now there is no risk of any possibility
of a heart attack. He still has an 80% legion, and if the plumbing’s
blocked, the plumbing’s blocked. (Dr. Capmbell) But if you want to argue that
the cure is to take you all the way back to baseline to where you don’t have any president
of legions, that’s not what I’m talking about. I don’t like that particular definition. (Dr. Salgo) Let me go right to the source. Right now, how are you feeling? Do you think that your heart disease is reversed,
cured? What’s your take on all of this? (Dick) I’m feeling great. I’m probably feeling the best I’ve felt
in many, many years. I’m the thinnest I’ve been since I was a young
child and I do feel like I’ve reversed the heart disease. (Dr. Salgo) And you haven’t abandoned your
doctor and your doctor hasn’t abandoned you. You’re still being followed. (Dick) That’s correct. (Dr. Salgo) So again, if things turn around,
start going the wrong way you’ve got backup. (Dick) Correct. (Dr. Salgo) And last, I promised that you
would have a chance to ask a quick second opinion. I know you’ve got a big second opinion. Is there anything before you go that you would
like to ask any of them. (Dick ) Yeah, I guess, you know when I was
first going through this whole process , diet and exercise were never really disused as
an option- it was surgery. And, I was concerned about the complications
of surgery. But that was never really discussed, I was
told that by going through the surgery I would probably, but not necessarily increase my
life expectancy. Well, then I’m saying, why go through the
surgery if there are other options? And I wasn’t offered those options. (Dr, Salgo) Should he have been offered some
options, do you think? (Dr. Pacos) I think it’s a difficult situation
because, when you are in the hospital in an acute setting, I think it is very difficult
to say, “Go home, don’t eat animal protein, eat plants and you’ll do fine.” In your situation, with a severer legion,
but symptoms that are very well controlled, I think that would have been an option. Although a very difficult option that I don’t
think many people are able to make that change in their diet. (Dr. Salgo) I’ll give you the last ten seconds
and then we do have to go. (Dr. Capmbell) I want to say, don’t avoid
animal protein. That’s just one thing. I want to say, basically, consume whole food
plant based diet. That’s a very positive message. Avoid animal foods and processed foods. (Dr. Salgo) I want to thank everybody for
being here. Thanks to the panel. What a dramatic discussion. I want to thank you all. Thank you for sharing your story as well. And at this point it’s time for this weeks
second opinion five. (Dr. Black) Hello I’m Dr. Bob Black and I’m
here to tell you the five biggest risk factors for heart disease. The first risk factor is your age. The older you are, the more likely you are
to develop signs of heart disease. You can’t turn back the clock but you can
choose a heart healthy lifestyle that can help your heart keep ticking a steady beat. The next risk factor is smoking. It’s the worst thing you can do to your body,
but quitting, at any age, is good for your body, because your body can repair itself. Do what ever it take to quit smoking. Smoking causes damage to the blood vessels
and creates potentially deadly plaque buildup. The third is hypertension. Elevated stress puts extra strain on your
heart, raising the risk of heart attack and stroke. You can improve your blood pressure by taking
your medications your doctor prescribes everyday, cutting the salt in your diet, losing weight,
and exercising. Another risk factor is high cholesterol. Like hypertension, too much cholesterol can
build up in the arteries, causing atherosclerosis which can be life threatening. Get your cholesterol checked regularly. And the last one is family history. If someone in your family, such as a parent
or sibling has a history of heart disease this could be a risk factor for you. However, if detected early it could be managed. And, that’s your second opinion five. (Dr. Salgo) Thank you so much for watching
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  1. The guy might still have an 80% blockage on the one side but, it's probably capped now and won't flop over and cause a complete blockage anymore. and if these surgeons put a stent in at the spot, there still would be an issue on down the line.

  2. Brian…you're exactly right…and placing the stent actually causes further intimal damage by nature…its the last choice.  Isn't it better to eat fresh foods,…veggies and fruit with minimal meats??!!!

  3. Five worst foods to eat….and this goes to everyone:

    1) meat; "grass fed meet" on occasion only.
    2) white pasta/bread; due to GMO modification, etc.  The gluten is ten times higher than it once was in the 40's and 50's.  MD's don't know their asses from a hole in the
    wall regarding natural foods.
    3) DAIRY.  No other animal "sucks the titties" of another animal.  Dairy is "white poison in all forms; milk, cheese, and the constituents of milk…It causes inflammation, mucous congestion…etc.  If you continue to eat it….."Me Bad"
    4) Refined sugar…just don't eat it…stop it today.
    5) Listening to MD's like this.  It's like when Judas saw Jesus do his work…and still didn't believe. 

    Do you know how much money the typical MD and hospitals lose when they "lose a chance" to do a CABBAGE procedure?  I'll tell you…between $100,000 to $200,000. 

    Dr. Ryan Nelson…you're doing society a "great injustice" by chasing MONEY and lying to people.  Why don't you talk about the side effects of Lipitor, Mevocor, Crestor, etc.  Oh…right….they've been paying you since medical school, and now for  your "3rd house" and maid.  Hey….get that BMW730 tuned up too….K?

    Look at these "dumb ass MD's.  They just sit there with their' glares and stare at the
    former "blocked patient" who's reversed heart blockages like a bunch of high school students smoking a bong.  They say…."you had time, and 80% is not that urgent"….

    Nutrition is the key…if food got us there….food will get us out!

  4. T. Colin Campbell is a Phd biochemist and nutritional researcher. He's not the one to be put on the spot here over one man's individual medical question but rather Caldwell Esselstyn MD, who gave the patient medical advice. Given Esselstyn's 20+ years of treating CVD patients, he's the one who should be countering the doubts of the cardiologists.

  5. We have watched a video about arrogance and ego of the medical system. They don't want the patient think they're 'cured' by simple, consistent change even though yes, they are doing very well. And these doctors literally think that patients are stupid they will not accept a whole foods plant based diet when it comes to life or death point. Health comes with healthy life style choices there is no magic pill there is no short cut or surgery to get well. Our body heals itself if we let it to do its job and feed it with whole plant foods, have a positive mindset also adopt an active life. So long story short these pricks don't want to accept the facts because how are they going to make money if all patients get well by a simple solution??? so yeah what they say make sense: 'surgery is the only way and patient does not get well by diet changes so use this medication I gotta pay my bills you stupid sick man'

  6. Absolutely it's possible to reverse heart disease and other chronic illnesses like diabetes with a low fat while foods plant based diet. I did a diabetes video recently that debunks the myth that sugar causes diabetes. It's the fat: Sugar is fuel for our cells. Best to get it from whole plant foods.

  7. Low fat diet – high carb diet is completely scientific non sense. Carbohydrates are a lot more dangerous than fat.

  8. The opposition is so transparently feeling irrelevant to the idea that oatmeal, potatoes, rice and all other plant based foods would make them obsolete. How many patients can you claim lived 27 more years eating the same and getting their chest ripped open?

  9. Four years after my quadruple bypass I started having angina again and I couldn't face another surgery so I tried the 100% whole food, plant based diet and within 3 weeks my angina was completely gone along with my diabetes.  I don't know if it works for everyone, but it sure worked for me and I'll never go back.  I've been on this lifestyle for 3 years and it's been amazing for me; I only wish I had discovered it much earlier in my life.

  10. So funny that the sickly looking doctor at 13:15 thinks that heart disease must be managed by him forever instead of just a strict diet, which is shown scientifically to be enough to reverse heart disease.

  11. See the documentary "The Widowmaker" about early detection of heart disease through coronary artery calcium scanning.

  12. Vegetarians have worse health outcomes than moderate meat eaters.  Believing that this is the cure for heart disease is a myth.

  13. If it takes something like 40, 50 or 60 years of eating badly to develop the atherosclerosis, why expect that a complete reversal could (or should) occur in only 3 years? Besides, the guy showed some definite improvement, but the Dr's seem to want to discount that. The indication would seem to be that given more time he will continue to improve.

  14. The 80% plaque may(probably) have been an old plaque that was calcified with a hard cap so less likely to show reversal but at the same time very unlikely to rupture and cause a heart attack. The point is that the 'disease process' may have been reversed – i.e. immature soft, small plaque's that would not have shown up on diagnostic testing, but were most likely to cause a heart attack, regressed and eventually were gone, which is really the important point as far as quality of life and outcomes is concerned.

  15. It's not my father's fault for my capillaries. I'm still beating like an echo while being prone. Hypertension may kill me but I'm still blessed. My cardiologist said start digging my grave. Palpitations is pathological as a reminder. My fable and I'm thankful. Thanks for the extra years but time is an uphill battle. Enjoy the simple things.

  16. Heart disease can absolutely be reversed with a plant based diet. Fact based on clinical proof. These cardiologists don't want to be out of a job.

  17. it's absolutely hilarious watching these doctors doing their level best to protect their monopoly. Diet and exercise is more important than anything.

  18. 1 of my countrymen has had heart disease he couldnt even walk because he got stomach hurt.. and he went to the doctor.. and took echo. the dr. said that his heart has only 25% ..but he took herbal treathment for 3 months and cameback to the hospital to see what was going on. then the dr. said that his heart got improved to 25% up to 60% .and now he can do normal life . and dont have any synthoms

  19. Watch Forks Over Knives. Lots of documented people going off their medications. The doctors in this video are QUACKS!.

  20. Nutty theories abound. "Don't eat animal products". "Don't eat fats". "Don't eat non-whole foods". It's 95% genetics and any honest cardiologist will tell you this if pressed.

  21. Most of the doctors don't know about nutrition. They have very little education about nutrition.
    Read the research of dr Dean ornish and Dr Caldwell eselstyn and also read the book preventing and reversing heart disease by Dr Caldwell eselstyn you will know everything.

  22. After some years of blockage we develops anastomosis. These are alternative blood vessels which developes in response to angina. So that's why he is not feeling pain despite 80% blockage.

  23. Heart attack are due to rupture of plaque. And due to his lifestyle he made the Cape over plaque rupture proof. Also he developed anastomosis (alternative blood vessels ). So no problem.
    But see the randamised controlled trial of dr Dean ornish on YT. Randamised controlled trial is highest level of evidence.

  24. The doctor cant alow themselves to endurse that this diet will "heal" anything. They simply cant that wold undermine their status and make them basikaly outlaws due to their doctrine. They are forced to have this position until solid proof is offered.

  25. If he had said that remeasurment of the 80% blockage was reduced to say 70% or 75% then I would have been impressed. This would have demonstrated that natural reversal was taking place, and with time would reduce further, race against natural death.

    If he is satisfied with the quality of life and the blockage IS NOT A RISK FACTOR FOR stroke or heart attack, then better to let things stand as they are. Finally remember that life and death are in the hands of Allah almighty, and nobody lives for ever. How many people have been at death's dark doors and at the last moment turned away, and how many have been living a fit active life and suddenly enter their graves.

  26. Great story and excellent discussion. I would have liked to ask the two guest physicians if the outcome from an expensive high risk bypass surgery that does not offer improved life expectancy could have offered superior options or quality of life than Dick's symptom-free improved cardiovascular function low BMI outcome even with an existing managed 80% blockage? I don't believe a bypass clears any blocked plumbing as expressed by Dr. Harris but leave it blocked by bypasses it with a graft artery. Not eating animal or processed foods seem an easier and sure route than dealing with on-going life-altering drugs, surgical complications and infections from an invasive surgery or a heart lung machine . Assuming there is no risk of post-surgery infection or stroke, does an open heart surgery or bypass offer superior cardiovascular function or quality of life than what Dick achieved in a few years with diet and exercise? Physicians are supposed to be studied health educators and should guide and offer patients treatment options and discuss treatment complications. Helping a friend navigating through expert opinions and an upcoming bypass surgery, I had the exact same questions as Dick. What was the best and worst expected surgical outcome? What are the complications? Why known effective nonsurgical dietary lifestyle options aren't discussed and offered? Lastly, high cholesterol is not a risk factor for heart disease. Rather high "triglyceride to HDL ratio of greater than 2" and excess belly fat is an inflammatory risk factor. Also it's not high cholesterol but refined processed carbohydrates with high glycemic load that is a risk factor for CAD. Doctors also need to check and order cholesterol fractionization tests to discern types and sizes of lipoprotein to assess cardiovascular health. I would also remove family history as a risk factor and test for other inflammatory markers like c-reactive protein, homocysteine, etc. because heart disease the no1 killer worldwide is a metabolic disease and not a genetic disease unless the public health advisory is talking about the 1% familial hyperlipidemia risk factor.

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